Ronaldo has been in the market since that Porto loss with Juve but received zero attention from the top sides until City's failure in signing Kane, an event which changed his destiny)
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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Couldn't be arsed with this thread for years. But now let me join in and say Messi is shite.
Yes nobody wants Ronaldo. Got it.
Still the best player in the world.
Is this even a debate anymore?
That's outdated, it's 111 now
I can understand someone saying they “think” Messi is better. Perhaps a preference in personality, you like the way he plays more etc; BOTH are great. But, is there any real question as to who is the greater overall player when weighing up their careers?
Ronaldo's mental strength shines yet again. Siiiiuuuu!
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It's this which annoys me, and the vast majority of people who say it are the Messi stans in my experience. The framing of a subjective opinion as an objective fact. For example, this:
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It's probably the result of the sanctimonious "purist" element that the Dutch school generally tends to engender unfortunately. Kinda like Wenger's Arsenal in their heyday (before they discovered the delights of Stoke) on steroids.
Someone should alert the mods and tell them that there's a weird bug on this forum that makes it look like you've voted for Messi in this thread, when obviously you would never have done that...
There's an option to change your vote, not that I've ever tried it...
Agreed. It's no contest.
You’re right, there definitely Isn’t. Messi is clearly better.
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Imagine being a Messi fan patiently waiting for the game to end so they can slag off Ronaldo.
Yea Ronaldo was ours and is now ours again but Messi is still better nontheless. Let's not kid ourselves.
They probably both know it too.
Let's enjoy Ronaldo here!
They probably both know it too.
Let's enjoy Ronaldo here!
Scores two headed goals after being anonymous the whole game. Yes, that makes him the best
Is this the hill people are dying on atm?
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Do the 109 goals before that not count? What about the 600-odd club goals he’s scored? What about leading his country to international victory at a major tournament? That do anything for you.Scores two headed goals after being anonymous the whole game. Yes, that makes him the best
Is this the hill people are dying on atm?
Yes he won an international trophy in 2016, that makes him the best player in the world right now
At this moment in time, he is nowhere near being the best player. All you need to do is watch him for 90 minutes
What he does these days is no more than what Ruud did in his prime and no one ever called Ruud the best in the world.
What next, he's the best free kick taker in the world as well?
Messi is easily the better player both individually and trophy-wise not to mention huge talent difference.. Ronaldo is more comparable to Gerd Muller than Messi, Maradona etc. as a pure poacher..
Enjoy reading this crazy thread every now and then.
I have said it before and I will say it again: in my opinion, Pique said it best, something like: "Messi is not human and Ronaldo is best of the humans".
Messi is probably the better player.
But "good" does not equal "great" and so "better" does not equal "greater".
Ronaldo is probably the greater player. His "story" is just awe-inspiring - people from all walks of life can take something away from his story.
"Greatness" is all subjective ofcourse. But it's the "story" for me. If the rape allegations against Ronaldo are the truth, there is no chance his "GOAT" status is not threatened in my eyes.
Sir Bobby Charlton's story? Being in a plane-crash, seeing your friends and team-mates perish at such a young age whilst suffering from guilt and almost quitting football yourself, only to win the World Cup for your country 8 years later and the European Cup for the same club 10 years later? I think that's greatness.
I have said it before and I will say it again: in my opinion, Pique said it best, something like: "Messi is not human and Ronaldo is best of the humans".
Messi is probably the better player.
But "good" does not equal "great" and so "better" does not equal "greater".
Ronaldo is probably the greater player. His "story" is just awe-inspiring - people from all walks of life can take something away from his story.
"Greatness" is all subjective ofcourse. But it's the "story" for me. If the rape allegations against Ronaldo are the truth, there is no chance his "GOAT" status is not threatened in my eyes.
Sir Bobby Charlton's story? Being in a plane-crash, seeing your friends and team-mates perish at such a young age whilst suffering from guilt and almost quitting football yourself, only to win the World Cup for your country 8 years later and the European Cup for the same club 10 years later? I think that's greatness.
Yeah, thats why he is more comparable to Gerd Muller and not Messi, Maradona etc. as he is a pure goal scorer, a poacher (by the way, Messi has a better goal per game ratio))
He did not even in the final against France for more than 15 minutes, and Portuguese path in that tournament was the easiest path ever as they did not face Germany, Holland, Spain, Italy or Belgium until the final.
Did you see him play for United? Terrible post.
This is a childish view. You are embarrassing yourself.
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What sort of story is this?
Failing in Juve in the CL losing out to teams like Lyon, Ajax, 10-man Porto, and finally losing Serie-A after 10 years of dominance..
Escaping from Juve without even looking back before the contract end, yeah so much story)) what happened to his winning mentality? why did he leave before his contract ended? At the end of the day, he loves challenges, right? Funny thing is nobody in Turing cares that he left, if anything, it seems they are happy to be now free of huge salary burden..
Getting eliminated by USA in WC 2014 when Messi was playing the final and Uruguay in 2018.
"O" player of the tournament award in an international tournament vs Messi's 3 including a World Cup (and 2 in Copa which is a record), so much greatness difference))
"1" La Liga best player award vs Messi's 6 in 9 years in La Liga when La Liga was the strongest league, again so much greatness..
"2" La Liga titles vs Messi's 6 in 9 years, 2 Copa Del Rey vs Messi's 7 in 9 years..
The guy is a pure goal scorer, yet he has less golden boot awards than Messi (6 vs 4) and Pichici (6-3) who is one of the top 3-4 playmakers ever even without goals..
whatever makes you sleep well at night, but before, go check Muller's stats..
The only difference between Muller and Ronaldo is the presence of social media, nothing else.. Otherwise, Cruyff, Beckenbauer would not be seen as the best in 1970s though they scored way less..
Of course, I saw him playing for United, that's why I always say he was more impressive at United. The problem is he has not been playing the same way in the last 12 years and evolved into a pure poacher, got it?
The first idiot who compared Ronaldo’s style of play to Gerd Muller’s is simply that, an idiot. No slight on the late great, but Ronaldo over the entirety of his career is just the most complete forward of all time. He could beat players for fun, twat one from 40 meters out, the greatest header of all time and the list goes on.
yes it’s Messi all day. Everyday
He was the United version on steroids when he was at Madrid. You are uninformed.
Mate, you're having a mare. Take a chill pill and step outside. Comparing Ronaldo to Ruud and Muller. Jesus, what are you, 12? Did you watch Ronaldo play for the past 15 years? His current version is similar, but that's down to the fact the he is 36 years old and he lost a yard of pace. Prime Ronnie was a different beast.
And since you graciously bring up Ronaldo's international failures, why don't we talk about Messi's?
Knocked out in 2010 by a 10 man Inter team. Knocked out again in 2012 by a very uninspiring 10 man Chelsea team who didn't even finish in the Top4 that year. Knocked out again by fecking Roma after being 4-1 on aggregate in the first leg. Rinse and repeat the same fate literally next year. And how can we forget about good old Bayern, not only did they hammer Barca 7-0 in 2013 with a peak Messi in their side, they did a dirty one on them just a year ago. Remember that 8-2? Say what you will about Ronaldo, but I don't remember any capitulations of this magnitude in his career. And yes, all of the are capitulations since all of them happened from winning positions.
Also, why don't you bring up the fact that Messi literally played with the GOAT midfield of all time. The Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta triumvirate. Yes it is important since at their peak they won every international tournament from 2008-2012. Messi has yet to win a CL without them. In before Casemiro-Modric-Kroos. Ask any fan if he were to pick on the 2, which one would go for. 9/10 would go for Barca's trio, the other one is RM fan.
With that being said: Is Messi the more talented out of the 2? Yes
Did Messi have higher potential? Yes
What makes Ronaldo GOAT is that despite being matched against a superior player, he gave him a run for his money. It would be the equivalent of a Lada keeping up with a Mercedes. Something that shouldn't even been a contest, is way closer than it should have been. Even the most die hard Messi fan boys will admit this.
Thats what so special about Ronaldo. While Messi did reach 99% of his potential, Ronaldo went all the way to 110%.
yes but Messi 99% is better than Ronaldo’s 110%. And Messi was getting knocked out by eventual cl champions or cl fonalisrs while Ronaldo gets knocked out by teams in recent years who couldn’t even make the cl final.
Ronaldo is a phenomenal player, but the goat no way
Sir Alex got knocked out by teams who never made the final. Shit manager.
There is a difference in how you get knocked out. It's one thing to lose by a slim margin. It's football, it happens. And there's another thing where you constantly get knocked out from a winning position. Shows a problem with mentality. If one thing separates GOATs from really good players, it's their ability to get shit done or to close the deal so to speak.
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