Good thing we have Cavani as well, both can not play all the time so basically both will get game time plus Greenwood and Martial can play there. Plenty of options for us in the attack
Will Bruno leave penalties and free kicks to Ronaldo now?
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I agree but if I was paid c.£5 million a year it’s really simple. Also Ole should be on £20 million a year as manager, or highest at club.
Hi Ronaldo, Bruno is the 1st penalty taker, you are second, he’s got a better conversion rate.
For Free kicks, work that out between yourselves depending on distance, this is usual anyway, free kicks are dependant on the team, height, distance whereas penalties are quite simple.
Exactly, so Greenwood is the obvious candidate for a lefty.
That's something I've never understood. If you remember his free kicks at United. It seems he's getting a lot worse after moving to Madrid. Which is a pretty weird thing imo. I've been wondering why for ages.
He was great at them previously. Scored a lot of amazing FKs. That skill just deteriorated with age for him, similar to his ability to dribble or take on players which now is obviously not as good as it was during his late United/early Madrid years.
My issue isn’t the free kicks and penalties but that they both provide a similar end result, but do so in different but non compatible ways.
Neither of them offer much defensive contribution currently, both fancy themselves as free roaming playmakers and tend to occupy the same places on the pitch. Watching Portugal at the Euro’s it was noticeable that the places you’d expect Bruno to be, Ronnie was already there and Bruno was having to occupy different, inconsequential spaces.
Bruno has changed as a player since he first started for us, at first he was all through balls from slightly deeper. He’s now all intelligent runs and getting on the end of other peoples through balls, which is exactly what Ronaldo offers.
Bruno will be happy to play somebody else in if he thinks they have a better chance of finishing so he will score less goals, but will make up for it with assists. Ronnie will just take the shot every time. But the stats will largely be the same if your equating an assist and a goal.
Issue for me is they will both be looking to make the same runs into the same spaces so we’ve not actually gained anything from signing Ronnie. We’ve just signed a very very good rotation option.
Neither of them offer much defensive contribution currently, both fancy themselves as free roaming playmakers and tend to occupy the same places on the pitch. Watching Portugal at the Euro’s it was noticeable that the places you’d expect Bruno to be, Ronnie was already there and Bruno was having to occupy different, inconsequential spaces.
Bruno has changed as a player since he first started for us, at first he was all through balls from slightly deeper. He’s now all intelligent runs and getting on the end of other peoples through balls, which is exactly what Ronaldo offers.
Bruno will be happy to play somebody else in if he thinks they have a better chance of finishing so he will score less goals, but will make up for it with assists. Ronnie will just take the shot every time. But the stats will largely be the same if your equating an assist and a goal.
Issue for me is they will both be looking to make the same runs into the same spaces so we’ve not actually gained anything from signing Ronnie. We’ve just signed a very very good rotation option.
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Parents have to work together on their children - Bruno will take the penalty kick and free kicks in the even weeks, Ronaldo in the odd weeks.
Bruno is fine as the penalty taker and should remain so. Free kicks can be shared out depending on position.
If I've added them up correctly then his career conversion rate stood at 82% by the end of the 2009-10 season after 28 penalties taken, then bounced up to having scored 47 and missed 7 in his career up to the end of the 2011-12 season for a very good 87% success rate. He hovered around that percentage for a few seasons before tailing off a bit.
He's always been a good penalty taker, but Bruno is clearly better and should keep taking them unless his form on them nosedives.
Personally I'd keep Bruno on pens, give Ronaldo long range free kicks and let him and Bruno decide on shorter range ones (realistically Ronaldo is getting it 
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)If we are Winning by a goal or 2, then let Ronaldo take whatever. But if it's crucial, pet Bruno take them.
Bruno showing the other guy how to take a penalty.
It'd be a pretty brave move to take a guy like Bruno off them.
The smart move is to continue with Bruno until he misses one.
With the new rules about more contact needed, you suspect this will all be a fairly moot point compared to last season anyway.
The smart move is to continue with Bruno until he misses one.
With the new rules about more contact needed, you suspect this will all be a fairly moot point compared to last season anyway.
It’s absurd that he can strike a ball that well with both feet. I bet he’s naturally a leftie, lefties seem to have to adjust to the right handed world and are more likely to be ambidextrous. Purely anecdotal obviously.
Bruno on free kicks, directly on to Ronaldo's head as he leaps like a salmon.
He’s definitely a leftie. He’s incredibly ambidextrous but you can tell he favours his left. Agree that natural lefties are much more likely to comfortable on their right than righties being able to use their left.
My penalty taker theory is always scoffed at..Happy to get the same feedback here..
Simply rotate around set players (in turn, and obviously wanting/happy to take).. So Bruno, Rashford, Pogba (Ronaldo..etc..
Advantages..
- If a players misses, there is not that weired pressure on taking next one.
-No pressure/argument on who is going to take..
-Keepers cant analyse on one takers style.
Disadvantages.
- Ronaldo probably has in his contract that he takes them.
Simply rotate around set players (in turn, and obviously wanting/happy to take).. So Bruno, Rashford, Pogba (Ronaldo..etc..
Advantages..
- If a players misses, there is not that weired pressure on taking next one.
-No pressure/argument on who is going to take..
-Keepers cant analyse on one takers style.
Disadvantages.
- Ronaldo probably has in his contract that he takes them.
I would like to have Bruno on both, Ronaldo will score regardless, and having Bruno with that added confidence behind him is fantastic.
With that said, Ronaldo will obviously take what he wants and it is hard to argue. At least the dumb penandes memes will stop.
With that said, Ronaldo will obviously take what he wants and it is hard to argue. At least the dumb penandes memes will stop.
Yeah I would just put Ronaldo and Bruno on penalties. Ronaldo keeps taking them until he misses one. Then Bruno keeps taking until he misses one. Then again Ronaldo...and so on.
This too.
It seems we won't be given a foul unless the oppo player cuts a Utd attacker in half with a hacksaw.
Can't believe people are still debating it. Its Ronaldo who will take the PKs, if he is on the pitch- 100%.
Ronaldo has scored 139 penalties …..he’s not going to be stopping now.
Bruno won’t get a look.
Bruno won’t get a look.
Ronaldo takes penalties. Bruno takes free kicks.
I think it's situational. Pick the best player for where the free kick is to be taken from. Identify which player can cover which area best and have them relentlessly practise it like Becks did. I remember watching from the Stretty when Mata saved us against Southampton with a last ditch banger from the right hand side, because he was the best option for where the ball was. Long time ago of course.
For penos, we have an embarassment of riches to choose from. Bruno, Ronaldo, Rashford, Mason, Cavani, Pogba. When Bruno eventually misses one, Ronaldo is up until he misses. Then Rashford etc. You are the penalty taker until you miss one.
For penos, we have an embarassment of riches to choose from. Bruno, Ronaldo, Rashford, Mason, Cavani, Pogba. When Bruno eventually misses one, Ronaldo is up until he misses. Then Rashford etc. You are the penalty taker until you miss one.
Watching old clips of United goals i noticed that while Ronaldo was taking penalties for United in his first spell whenever Saha was on the pitch Saha would take them even when Ronaldo was playing.
I assume Saha perhaps had it in his contract that he takes them or Sir Alex had made the call and no one argued with him
I assume Saha perhaps had it in his contract that he takes them or Sir Alex had made the call and no one argued with him
He is. Ronaldo basically lives for goals. He's tailored his entire game to make sure he becomes best goalscorer he's capable of being. Hence goal numbers and records are a large part of his legacy, so he was never going to move to a club where this was even debatable. It would have been discussed beforehand. He will take all the pens.
I find the fact that we're discussing Bruno and Ronaldo as candidates just shows how exciting our attack will be this season. Still feels like a dream.
Not the best source, but this article from June quotes Ronaldo's success rate as 84%, with Bruno at 93% (best ratio of any active player in the world?).
Ronaldo wasn't first choice or default penalty taker. Till the end of 2005-06, RVN was our first choice penalty taker. When he left starting from 2006-07 Saha took few and then Ronaldo took it.
This is messed up situation for manager too. You have best penalty taker in the world whos score is perfect and you must take pens from him just because other guy is a big name.
Ronny is very good in taking penalties but Bruno is the best.
Ronny is very good in taking penalties but Bruno is the best.
Is it? Bruno is easily better penalty taker in Portugal team but no one takes them except Ronaldo.
I doubt Bruno will even try to take it from Ronaldo.
Feel exactly the same when MU social media hype James' pace.
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First of all it is Ronaldo who is taking it from Bruno here in United. They can be friends, brothers or whatever but put yourself on Bruno's place. You are penalty taker, you are doing it perfect and now you must leave that to "new" player who is not even better than you in that. Would you be happy? Every single player loves and wants to score goals. Even in a 5 a side casual football, you want to shoot penalties not to mention in front of 70k people at highest level of football.
And i know it is not that big deal but; they are pros who play for the money. Every goal means bonus money and every goal raises your value. Would Bruno be this much valued on the market without those 20 or so penalty scored?
Yeah but players are not robots. They know that better player is signed (player who was idolized by probably half of the squad) and they all know who takes the penalties. Doubt Ole will even talk about that, players themselves will know that.
Some very strange theories on pens being put forward.
Rotate them around - why? You don't need to keep the opposition guessing on a penalty. The best takers have demonstrated time and time again that they'll score them relentlessly as the opposition are a bystander to a good taker such is the takers advantage.
Change when somebody misses - again, why? The statistics say that eventually even the best will miss one, however this doesn't suddenly mean they're a worse taker. One is not a pattern.
What would pretty clearly be best is Bruno remains on them as you can't really argue with the numbers. However, if Ronaldo gets in a huff and it affects him and the team such is his ego, and Bruno is happy giving them up then it's not such an easy choice to balance what is most profitable. It's hard to say, the manager should sort it rather than waiting for them to work it out on the pitch.
Rotate them around - why? You don't need to keep the opposition guessing on a penalty. The best takers have demonstrated time and time again that they'll score them relentlessly as the opposition are a bystander to a good taker such is the takers advantage.
Change when somebody misses - again, why? The statistics say that eventually even the best will miss one, however this doesn't suddenly mean they're a worse taker. One is not a pattern.
What would pretty clearly be best is Bruno remains on them as you can't really argue with the numbers. However, if Ronaldo gets in a huff and it affects him and the team such is his ego, and Bruno is happy giving them up then it's not such an easy choice to balance what is most profitable. It's hard to say, the manager should sort it rather than waiting for them to work it out on the pitch.
How is this even debated, Ronaldo will take all the penalties, not even Sir Alex would try to get him off them, never mind Ole.
Don't give a shit as long as its a goal.
Ronaldo will be taking them, like he does for Portugal.
Bruno would be delighted that he's here, and will of known fine well Ronaldo would be taking them anyway.
Bruno would be delighted that he's here, and will of known fine well Ronaldo would be taking them anyway.