Idxomer
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There's nothing special about our purchases under Ole, half of them at least have been questionable.
And maybe another manager could have gone with an even better set of players, maybe.Another manager could have gone with a different set of players. All speculative.
It's just a flimsy point to have. "Hey we might not be great and haven't won anything, but at least Ole got us CR7!". It just doesn't wash.I am positive Ole had a say in who we purchase.
What’s the point of recruiting those players if we play like shit?Those complaining about Ole's coaching ability and losing despite having a great bunch of players at his disposal. Let me put it to you had Ole not been the manager had we been fortunate to have these players at the club? Another revolving door of player ins and out is what's going to happen if Ole is sacked.
A better manager would.This is the bottom line i feel. Pundits have been saying this as well. Is Ole getting the best out of the players that we have? Or would another coach do better with them? I think the answer is yes.
Simple, Ole as DoF. Then bring in a coach who can actually coach, and who will focus on coaching.I can say other managers would have likely purchased different players. The question should be would another coach get more out of the players we have at the club?
I would say probably. However, it's not guaranteed.
Exactly. There were extenuating circumstances for the defeat - a red card will always be extenuating circumstances. But it was the manner of the defeat, so utterly gutless and devoid of even a modicum of ambition. The manager and coaching staff looked like deer in headlights (not for the first time) and that simply isn't good enough at this level.20 shots for them and 2 for us. The last one came in the 24th minute. This be understandable being down to 10 men if it was someone decent but it’s Young Boys
This. AWB is an especially shocking signing, for a manager who has made us spend £130m+ on CBs who need to be 'ball playing'There's nothing special about our purchases under Ole, half of them at least have been questionable.
We have a DoF.Simple, Ole as DoF. Then bring in a coach who can actually coach, and who will focus on coaching.
Just need Kante and Kyle Walker before we are ready to compete with Young Boys. Then he can be judged.Ole were just low on X-factor options after the red on the bench.
We need a CDM and a good backup RB with decent X-factor levels!
Kante has XXL-factor, too hot to handle.Just need Kante and Kyle Walker before we are ready to compete with Young Boys. Then he can be judged.
The funny part is that some actually believe there's a midfielder out there that would fix all our issues in possession.Just need Kante and Kyle Walker before we are ready to compete with Young Boys. Then he can be judged.
Who exactly is that other players ? Maguire and AWB fine. For 130m, we could have done better but that's a different discussion.No manager is saying no to Sancho, Bruno, Varane and Ronaldo.I can say other managers would have likely purchased different players. The question should be would another coach get more out of the players we have at the club?
I would say probably. However, it's not guaranteed.
That van de Beek guy looks especially class. So cheap as wellIn fairness to Ole he has bought really well. Remember moyes signing Fellaini or LVG signing Rojo. Then mourinho is a negative manager.
I just think we can play better with the players we have.
AWB was class tonight too!That van de Beek guy looks especially class. So cheap as well
Really? We were pinned back the entire 2nd half.Let's see how we fare with Dalot as a rightback and eleven on the pitch before questioning the defensive switch. We were going to be living dangerously.
At 1-0 it was a reasonable switch. Didn't entirely agree with subbing off VdB and would have gone with Greenwood for Cristiano but they didn't look like scoring in a month of Sundays unless we gifted them a goal, which we did.
Not as much as a bargain as our captain though!That van de Beek guy looks especially class. So cheap as well
Did that happen with Chelsea and Tuchel?Those complaining about Ole's coaching ability and losing despite having a great bunch of players at his disposal. Let me put it to you had Ole not been the manager had we been fortunate to have these players at the club? Another revolving door of player ins and out is what's going to happen if Ole is sacked.
This is my main problem with this club over the last few years. City prepared for Pep, Liverpool wanted Klopp and bought into.Don't see style of play at club compared to others. From 18s to 23s to first team philosophy is bang a load of individuals together and hope for the best.
I’m kiddingKidding? Do you suport Liverpoo?
I’ve said this for a couple of years, Ole is very good at identifying the players or characters needed but simply not anywhere near good enough coaching or managing them.Simple, Ole as DoF. Then bring in a coach who can actually coach, and who will focus on coaching.
Do you seriously think Ole is the 4th best manager in the PL? You think Ole is getting West Ham 6th? Or Leicester 5th? Ole would have Leicester in midtable & would have West Ham in a relegation battle. He is nowhere near the 4th best manager in the league. Give Ole any of the bottom 10 teams from last seasons table & other than Everton he 100% takes them all down.I look at it like this. Where do you rank Ole in terms of managers around the world? He's clearly worse than Pep, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel, and Zidane (many more are better than him but let's leave it at this for arguments sake). That makes him at best the 4th best manager in the EPL. Would fans be okay if we had the 4th best striker in the EPL? Or would we be looking to improve on the position? Clearly we'd be unhappy as a fanbase and look to get a better striker than our rivals. The manager should be looked at in a similar way. I only mention Conte and Zidane because they're jobless currently. And a CLEAR upgrade.
This is what worries me, We are depending more on individual talent to bail us out under Ole then playing a systematic football.In 3 games out of 5 this season, we have been really poor. Can see this being a long hard season.
Klopp, Guardiola and Tuchel are head coaches, they are very much involved in the training and style they look to implement, not as easy as just poaching one of their coaches. Their coaches compliment their approach, our manager doesn't really have an approach, he's a pragmatic manager, not a progressive one. How we play differs from game to game.I don't think Ole has to go, Ole is a good players coach and knows our culture. He just needs to bring in a coach who can actually create attacking football. Kieran/Carrick have been the culprits.
Poach someone from Poch's/Tuchel/Klopps/Guardioala's team & pay them a lot of money, and let them implement a proper style of football.
No I think he's way worse, I'm just comparing him only to our rivals.Do you seriously think Ole is the 4th best manager in the PL? You think Ole is getting West Ham 6th? Or Leicester 5th? Ole would have Leicester in midtable & would have West Ham in a relegation battle. He is nowhere near the 4th best manager in the league. Give Ole any of the bottom 10 teams from last seasons table & other than Everton he 100% takes them all down.
You think a guy who isn't ruthless enough to ship out Lingard or replace any one of our 5 assistant coaches would be able to do that?I don't think Ole has to go, Ole is a good players coach and knows our culture. He just needs to bring in a coach who can actually create attacking football. Kieran/Carrick have been the culprits.
Poach someone from Poch's/Tuchel/Klopps/Guardioala's team & pay them a lot of money, and let them implement a proper style of football.