We are an awfully coached team

[owlo]

To be fair Redcafe may not be reflective of overall fan sentiment, so maybe the majority are still very happy with Ole, I don’t know.

But now that we’ve stooped to this level, maybe an Ole-outer mod somewhere would want to change the title of Ole’s performance thread to “Performances”, with quotation marks. That would be fun

Maybe so. Unfortunately I don't have the opportunity to attend games, so this is my only way to gauge the mood of other fans and communicate with them on a mass basis.

And it's pretty grim.

 

[Womp]

Feck me, this forum is getting to RAWK levels of toxicity when even the staff are taking sides and changing topic titles to WUM/Express an opinion that will wind others up.

Ye, that's a bit worrying.

 

[Rash Decision]

Problem is the pals in media which Ole has. None of them is pointing out that how we have no patterns of play, how we have deadwood like Lingard and Jones on such high salary still in our squad, how we are hoarding players for the sake of it. Unfortunately if it was someone else, they would have turned on him by now. Even Keane is very lenient on Ole when he is someone who would call spade a spade.

Is this really an issue though? Outside of the old boys’ club, I think Ole has been very heavily criticised by the media in general. Look at the amount of coddling that Arteta gets in comparison.

 

[meamth]

I would say a Carabao cup should also not save him. If he gets knocked out of the CL group stages this time as well, we should get rid immediately else we risk the chance of having a sulking Ronaldo.

Of course. Unless we came close to the title with 3-6 points short I'm okay with it. Devastated but will always believe again.

Carabao/FA cup, with intense title challenge is acceptable for me.

 

[NK86]

Please don’t misunderstand me. I never liked the idea of Van Gaal or Mourinho managing United. But we were all told their resumes spoke volumes about the glory they would bring back to United. Despite their resumes, both were a disaster.

Once we went down to 10 men, Ole decided to go entirely defensive to hang on to the lead. We see this all the time. It doesn’t always work out, but we do see this all the time. Had Ole gone for the second goal we might have put Young Boys away, but we might have also exposed our back line to numbers.

A manager who goes down 10 men and a 1-0 lead has a decision to make. It’s not daft to go defensive in that situation.

You can be defensive and still keep some semblance of attacking threat. That way the opposition will also be wary instead of completely overwhelming us. We basically hoofed long as if we were in the final minute of injury time since the second half began (irony of it that when we actually needed to we gifted a goal with a stupid back pass).

We can give Ole prime Barcelona and he will still have them playing counter attacking football as he has no other way it seems or is incapable of putting that across in training.

 

[NK86]

Is this really an issue though? Outside of the old boys’ club, I think Ole has been very heavily criticised by the media in general. Look at the amount of coddling that Arteta gets in comparison.

Not sure if it's an issue or not. However if the former United players were objective in their views, we will definitely see more of a reaction from the fans too.

 

[meamth]

1. Let's just say our definition of attacking football is very different. Or make it simpler, ask opposition fans' general consensus whether man utd is an entertaining attacking team and you will get your answer.

2. Win something? Man Utd should aims for the league and CL. Anyway, hope u are right on this.

3. Go read more and you will find it in the forum.

4. Only Ole has 3 years and hundreds of millions for rebuild.

5. Can't believe u really put down SAF in order to make your point on Ole. SAF won MAJOR titles doing that.

6. On the rise with 2 TOP 4 finish and zombie outdated football? If this is the standard then no point replacing Ole with better manager.

7. Top Red

Top Red indeed.

Just of curiosity, do you think LVG United is more entertaining than Ole's?

Just trying to gauge something here.

 

[Shiva87]

A City team that reached 100 points compared to the City team Ole faced - that reached 86 points, 5 points ahead of Mourinho's second place United team which reached 81 points (compared to Ole's best season at 74 points). I'd easily argue that if Mou faced that City team and he had Ole's players, he would have won the league with his eyes closed. As far as winning trophies, you're exhibiting a small time mentality. Trophies are trophies. Trophies are needed in order to breed a winning culture into a club, the one United of old had. Without them what are we doing? Competing for top 4 before inevitably falling into obscurity like Arsenal? And EL is a major trophy, as well as the Carabao. EL in particiular might not be a CL, but I doubt any player would overlook it

Maybe our football has been more entertaining overall compared to Mourinho's tenure, but then again Ole has had much better players at his disposal. All I know is that Mou achieved everything Ole did better, on top of winning us trophies. Jury is out on Ole, he has not delivered on anything as far as I'm concerned. And this is his make or break it season. If he can't win anything with these players, then he can't win no matter what you give him. The team is stacked. It should dominate every game now with clear and sensible gameplan and pattern of play instead of individual brilliant moments form Bruno, Ronaldo, Pogba or whoever has his day.

No my friend. Ole has not had 'much better players' at his disposal. Don't let the quality of this window blinker the reality.. This is the first time under Ole that we have a proper squad.

Harry Maguire and Bruno are the only two other signings which were made since Ole came in that could have improved Jose's squad.

Jose bought in Lukaku, Pogba, Zlatan, Mhikitaryan, Sanchez and Dalot. He also had peak De Gea (which Ole has just not got)!

Btw - the same Pogba who has started this season on fire, was called a Virus by Jose and cast aside.

If you remove your blinkers, you'll see that Jose would have never assembled this squad and if he got it, he would destroy it quickly. (Spurs last season).

 

[PoTMS]

Apparently, it's clear to everyone except a select portion of United fans that the coaching at Manchester United is not up to scratch. I mean pretty much every neutral (who would otherwise have no agenda) and rival fans can see it is our weakness. 3 years on and we play exactly the same way we did before, just with better players. You're not gonna find a single rival fan that wants Ole out.

And yet you're seen to be moaning or an awful supporter if you point that out. Feck me. When people used to say our club is different, I thought it was just pretentious "mes que en club" bullshit but now I finally see it. We truly have some "amazing" supporters who will bury their head in the sand and just about accept anything. I don't think there's a club out there where the support would be so divided with such mediocre results. Nearly £500m spent and 3 years under Ole's reign and the "achievements" are we finished third and second in the league, conveniently forgetting all the numerous setbacks and failures on the way. Building a good squad is now the standard for being Manchester United manager apparently, never mind winning trophies.

 

[EtH]

Where does this needs to win silverware this year to keep his job come from, nope just needs to secure that champions league money and those yankee leeches will be rejoicing in their vast Florida mansions as always

I remember when we appointed Ole I thought to myself it could be a real pointed bit of shithousery from the Glazers. Garnering support for the club through a club legend everyone loves even if we aren’t really competing at the top.

Not an indictment on OGS but just a possible vile thought process from the capitalist pigs who are pilfering our great club. At the very least it was an appointment that pretty much couldn’t go wrong for those cnuts whichever way it went.

 

[Rash Decision]

1. Let's just say our definition of attacking football is very different. Or make it simpler, ask opposition fans' general consensus whether man utd is an entertaining attacking team and you will get your answer.

2. Win something? Man Utd should aims for the league and CL. Anyway, hope u are right on this.

3. Go read more and you will find it in the forum.

4. Only Ole has 3 years and hundreds of millions for rebuild.

5. Can't believe u really put down SAF in order to make your point on Ole. SAF won MAJOR titles doing that.

6. On the rise with 2 TOP 4 finish and zombie outdated football? If this is the standard then no point replacing Ole with better manager.

7. Top Red

1. Depends on when and who you ask. Ask Spurs or Arsenal fans and the answer may be more positive than you’d think

5. I wish people would stop using SAF as a sort of benchmark for Ole in terms of tactics and general performances. SAF’s time was a decade ago. What worked for SAF at the time may not work today. You can bet that SAF would also have evolved further if he were still managing today.

 

[Womp]

Apparently, it's clear to everyone except a select portion of United fans that the coaching at Manchester United is not up to scratch. I mean neutral and rival fans, who have no agenda and in some cases would rather keep the current coaching structure in place at our detriment can see it. You're not gonna find a single rival fan that wants Ole out, for example.

And yet you're seen to be moaning or an awful supporter if you point that out. Feck me. When people used to say our club is different, I thought it was just pretentious "mes que en club" bullshit but now I finally see it. We truly have some "amazing" supporters who will bury their head in the sand and just about accept anything. I don't think there's a club out there where the support would be so divided with such mediocre results. Nearly £500m spent and 3 years under Ole's reign and the "achievements" are we finished third and second in the league, conveniently forgetting all the numerous setbacks and failures on the way. Building a good squad is now the standard for being Manchester United manager apparently, never mind winning trophies.

Pretty much my view on it, very well put. There are certain aspects he's done brilliantly in - really has got the squad to a much better level, dealt with a lot of the Pogba circus etc. very well. Reduced the age of the team and brought through some very good young talents etc. but those should all be a means to win major trophies - which is essentially what a Manchester United manager should always be judged on. That's where he is falling short. The aforementioned aspects aren't enough alone to keep him in a job.

At the moment, as has been the case for the majority of his time here - I am not seeing football of the required standard which I think will be enough to get us over the line and I'm still seeing very poor, reactive or late in game management which is costing us results.

Also the fact that we've spent so much money and are now years into our time with Ole and still play such a pragmatic/counter attacking style is quite frustrating. This team is more than capable of going head to head with the best teams, instead we still get played off the park at times by inferior teams.

 

[meamth]

Ole is worse than Hitler now?

I understand the sentiment why he needs to go.

 

[RedBanker]

Deck me sideways. I didn't know OGS is a mod on this forum. Awwww...did words of random internet people hurt you bubbala? There there.

 

[mu4c_20le]

 

[Rash Decision]

Modmins resorting to passive aggressive wumming now? Shame.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Even big tech is Ole in. It's all a conspiracy. Soon we will have breakaway forums and other alternative platforms where people can voice their free speech uninterrupted.

 

[Wibble]

Modmins resorting to passive aggressive wumming now? Shame.

It was that or resorting to quality control warnings. Either or

 

[Wibble]

Even big tech is Ole in. It's all a conspiracy. Soon we will have breakaway forums and other alternative platforms where people can voice their free speech uninterrupted.

moanerswithnosenseofhumor.com?

 

[Rash Decision]

It was that or resorting to quality control warnings. Either or

I’ll take your word for it that the intention is humour, but using modmin powers to anonymously take sides in the debate is inappropriate. If you need to then issue quality control warnings to specific posts that deserve them. That’s more transparent and depending on how strict your criteria is, there should be posts on both sides deserving of it. Some posts are over the top moaning and some are over the top cheerleading. I trust that the criteria isn’t biased in favour of one side or other.

 

[darioterios]

Today, September 16, 2021, a date which will live in infamy

 

[Jibbs]

United should not be wasting this season too just to let Ole prove himself and then be happy with a top 4 finish. With the squad this good and with so much depth we need to be challenging for the PL and CL titles. And under Ole we simply can not.

 

[Wibble]

I’ll take your word for it that the intention is humour, but using modmin powers to anonymously take sides in the debate is inappropriate. If you need to then issue quality control warnings to specific posts that deserve them. That’s more transparent and depending on how strict your criteria is, there should be posts on both sides deserving of it. Some posts are over the top moaning and some are over the top cheerleading. I trust that the criteria isn’t biased in favour of one side or other.

It isn't taking sides. It is taking the piss out of the ludicrously OTT and dramatic moaning about Ole. We can take a more proactive approach but so many posters in this an similar threads would get quality control warnings we would need to expand the modmin team to cope.

 

[Wumminator]

Deck me sideways. I didn't know OGS is a mod on this forum. Awwww...did words of random internet people hurt you bubbala? There there.

Reported for quality control.

 

[Wibble]

Today, September 16, 2021, a date which will live in infamy

I'm not sure that BoJo's cabinet reshuffle is quite that memorable

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

Can we just put the original thread title back? This is horseshit silly now.

 

[Wumminator]

I’ll take your word for it that the intention is humour, but using modmin powers to anonymously take sides in the debate is inappropriate. If you need to then issue quality control warnings to specific posts that deserve them. That’s more transparent and depending on how strict your criteria is, there should be posts on both sides deserving of it. Some posts are over the top moaning and some are over the top cheerleading. I trust that the criteria isn’t biased in favour of one side or other.

can you give me some examples of over the top cheerleading please. Let’s alert the mods to it so they can change those thread titles!

 

[mu4c_20le]

Can we just put the original thread title back? This is horseshit silly now.

Does it really matter? It's just the giant megathread for having a moan at Ole so we don't need a dozen others

 

[Wumminator]

It isn't taking sides. It is taking the piss out of the ludicrously OTT and dramatic moaning about Ole. We can take a more proactive approach but so many posters in this an similar threads would get quality control warnings we would need to expand the modmin team to cope.

@Wibble can we actually expand the Modmin team then? Yesterday we had posts calling Solskjaer a pussy and saying he should resign if he had any honour. is it worth reporting these posts?

 

[meamth]

United should not be wasting this season too just to let Ole prove himself and then be happy with a top 4 finish. With the squad this good and with so much depth we need to be challenging for the PL and CL titles. And under Ole we simply can not.

That's the problem.

You don't know that, we don't know that. It's all speculation.

So why don't we see together this season and decide whether to sack him later?

 

[Wibble]

@Wibble can we actually expand the Modmin team then? Yesterday we had posts calling Solskjaer a pussy and saying he should resign if he had any honour. is it worth reporting these posts?

The very worst are worth reporting.

 

[Wibble]

Can we just put the original thread title back? This is horseshit silly now.

Thread title changed on request

 

[RedDevil@84]

Can we change titles of the Lindelof and Pogba threads too? They are full of irritating moaners too.

 

[Wibble]

Can we change titles of the Lindelof and Pogba threads too? They are full of irritating moaners too.

 

[bond19821982]

It isn't taking sides. It is taking the piss out of the ludicrously OTT and dramatic moaning about Ole. We can take a more proactive approach but so many posters in this an similar threads would get quality control warnings we would need to expand the modmin team to cope.

There is a simple solution. If it's moaners, let them moan . Just stay out of it. No one is forcing you to post in the thread. A thread doesn't get to 100 pages just because of moaning.

 

[Wibble]

There is a simple solution. If it's moaners, let them moan . Just stay out of it. No one is forcing you to post in the thread. A thread doesn't get to 100 pages just because of moaning.

No. And many of you won't like the alternative. The modmin team have had an utter gutful of the emotive and irrational negativity on here. And no that doesn't you can't criticise something e.g. we really need a top class DM, but so many posters seem to be channelling this bloke at a time that Ole has made 3 top class signings and United are top of the Premier League.

 

[bond19821982]

No. And many of you won't like the alternative.

So let me get this right- so someone didn't like the posts and instead of debating on the merit of the posts , they thought the best idea is to edit the title as you like and call it as "quality control " ?

That's some gem !!

Hope to see the same quality control in Lingard, DVB, Pogba ,Martial, Fred, Matic, Lindelof threads as well !

 

[Wibble]

So let me get this right- so someone didn't like the posts and instead of debating on the merit of the posts , they thought the best idea is to edit the title as you like and call it as "quality control " ?

That's some gem !!

Hope to see the same quality control in Lingard, DVB, Pogba ,Martial, Fred, Matic, Lindelof threads as well !

You seem to be missing the point even though it is quite obvious. This is a bit of friendly piss take that hopefully the drama merchants in this thread take note of and reign it in a bit. If not then this and other threads won't get the same treatment but we will start giving warnings to many poor and overly negative posters in all threads as per the rules.

 

[Wumminator]

You seem to be missing the point even though it is quite obvious. This is a bit of friendly piss take that hopefully the drama merchants in this thread take note of and reign it in a bit. If not then this and other threads won't get the same treatment but we will start giving warnings to many poor and overly negative posters in all threads as per the rules.

Fantastic. Cheers for this @Wibble

 

[Wumminator]

There is a simple solution. If it's moaners, let them moan . Just stay out of it. No one is forcing you to post in the thread. A thread doesn't get to 100 pages just because of moaning.

What do you mean a thread can’t get to a 100 pages without moaning? Of course it can