I've defended Ole all through but I'm done at this stage, he's reached his ceiling and it's not high enough for United. Still love Ole no matter what, hes a legend and always will be but we need to take that next step. I wouldn't take Zidane and would prefer ten Hag or Conte. We can get Conte now and win the lot. ten Hag is more long term.
Forget it. Some people here are still mocking Chelsea and Real as sacking clubs and question is that better than our way.
The downside of having had Fergie is that we seem desperate to find another Fergie and are willing to stretch every manager's tenure until it violently breaks in the hope that this one will somehow end up staying for almost three decades and win everything many times over.
Then he pulls a few results out of his ass, which buys him time.
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its actually sad and the worst thing is that it will be too late to save the season by the time we decide to move from himHe literally said that trophies are only good for ego. That tells a story.
This is why I don't take this xg seriously. Villa had a lot of clear cute opportunity to score. I don't know how our xg is higher than villa. Heck I doubt they took into account that slip from ramsey.
Any manager with top flight experience who can point to building an attacking team in the PL, LL, BL or Serie A within the last 5 years. That would immediately be better than what we have and that’s not hyperbole.
Are you seriously telling me there was nothing romantic about us going for a completely inexperienced manager who only managed in Norway and then relegated Cardiff only because he’s a club legend? He wasn’t hired on merit, we didn’t chose him because of his managerial skills, achievements, tactical genius. We opted for a different model, rather than evidence based, cold blood decision it was indeed a loyalty, connections, hope to create a top manager driven one. Some call it romanticism.
They call other fans pattern of play hipsters, those posters know who they are and are incredibly silent now.
Which is completely moronic. First, there is not gonna be a second Fergie. Second, other clubs have equalled or surpassed Fergie's record of 13 titles and 2 UCL in 26 years, while changing the managers every second year.
0.77xg there is from the pen, so it's more like 1.5 to 1.5.
I'm not sure if you could fully say he's stopped the rot when our previous two managers delivered an FA Cup, league cup and a European title between them. He built a superior team than either of them but we're looking no better on the pitch and have been embarrassing in Europe despite the top four finishes.
Or blind?
The pen skews that
We’re a lot better on the pitch. The games are actually worth watching. We were awful under Jose and in particular van gal. I used to stay on the concourse having a beer sometimes under van gaal.
And who went into season with that midfield after everything we saw last season and before? Wasn't it Ole's reported decision to wait another season for Declan Rice, who wouldn't solve a lot of our issues anyway? Isn't Ole the same manager who decided to keep a £40m midfielder that he doesn't rate or trust instead of offloading him for a player that fits what he needs?
That group is far from easy. Villarreal and Atalanta are no mugs. On paper they're both better than Young boys who we struggled against. A poor result on Wednesday and the pressure is really on.
The table doesn’t look bad at all for Utd, and if you continue like previous years under Ole to get results against the big sides you’ll be up there.Saying it’s not so bad and comparing our points total after 6 games to Chelsea when they faced:
City, Spurs, Villa, Liverpool, Arsenal, Crystal Palace
And us:
Villa, West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton, Wolves, Leeds
Depends how long the agony continues. If it continues for long, he won't remain for many (he won't remain for many either way, even if fired tody).
People in the match day thread were underestimating Villa before the game, it was never going to be easy.
I admit that the worst LVG was far more depressing than the worst Ole, but even this season look at our games (and there’s been a few) and tell me that it really looks that much better - to me it doesn’t.
I don't think it's romanticism, I'm not sure Ed Woodward and the Glazer family are the romantic types. I think it's a lack of appreciation for what a coherent team that is developing looks like and a focus solely on results with a minimum target of top 4 which Ole has met every time so he is safe. He almost certainly will this year too so I would imagine we've got plenty more time watching a team that clearly isn't going to win anything of note but will be good enough to stay as a top 4 regular.
