Moyes would do a better job with this squadI'd obviously still have Ole's version of United over Mourinho's - that was the real nadir imo.
But it could be time, memory lapse or whatever: I think LVG would get a real song out of this team. That's how bad it's gotten. I'm thinking favourably about LVG's coaching. Dear lord.
hahahaha my god, 5 year olds on the forumMoyes would do a better job with this squad
You think he wouldnt do a better job than ‘the smiling assasin’?hahahaha my god, 5 year olds on the forum
It's the managers prerogative to choose his coaches. Ole would have to make that decision. However, I would say it does make a lot of sense for Ole to try and get as Neville would say best in class and see how it goes. It's either that or lose the job if the recent results and performances do not improve.How about we back Ole as the Manager, support him/get behind him, but just get rid of McKenna & Carrick etc. & replace them with a top class number 2/ trainer/tactical coach. (a la Queiroz type.?)
I think a lot of us agree Ole has brought a better feel to the club than Moyes/Van Gaal & Mourinho, plays better football (most of the time.!) & he has made some good/better signings than previous managers. Maybe he just needs that Technical coach/expert by his side for the next few years, to take us to the next level.?
He's coming into his 10th year as a manager at the first team level. If he still has no clue on what he needs from his coaching staff, it doesn't say well about him as a manager.How about we back Ole as the Manager, support him/get behind him, but just get rid of McKenna & Carrick etc. & replace them with a top class number 2/ trainer/tactical coach. (a la Queiroz type.?)
I think a lot of us agree Ole has brought a better feel to the club than Moyes/Van Gaal & Mourinho, plays better football (most of the time.!) & he has made some good/better signings than previous managers. Maybe he just needs that Technical coach/expert by his side for the next few years, to take us to the next level.?
Might also be a communication issue? Without fans in the stadium you can hear what is going on and give some orders to your teammates. The worse the plan is, the more important spontaneous communication becomes.why have the number of individual mistakes absolutely exploded this season? is this something systemic or something that is just short term bad luck that will wash out. if it is systemic, is it a confidence thing, pressure from being at home infront of fans again? the players struggled to perform before lockdown at home and i saw an improvement when fans left the stadium
To be honest I don’t think you’re wrong. His team lacked anyone to make that final pass or action which this team has in abundance they just don’t seem to know how or where to do it without leaving us wide open.I'd obviously still have Ole's version of United over Mourinho's - that was the real nadir imo.
But it could be time, memory lapse or whatever: I think LVG would get a real song out of this team. That's how bad it's gotten. I'm thinking favourably about LVG's coaching. Dear lord.
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Sure, let's upgrade everyone but the manager with top class alternatives. Sack everyone and give Ole at least 5 more years.How about we back Ole as the Manager, support him/get behind him, but just get rid of McKenna & Carrick etc. & replace them with a top class number 2/ trainer/tactical coach. (a la Queiroz type.?)
I think a lot of us agree Ole has brought a better feel to the club than Moyes/Van Gaal & Mourinho, plays better football (most of the time.!) & he has made some good/better signings than previous managers. Maybe he just needs that Technical coach/expert by his side for the next few years, to take us to the next level.?
Ed Woodward would never have stayed in his job as long as he did if the on field product was a priority. He was a failure by every measure when it came to the actual football and yet they gave him free reign.I don't think it's about priorities. You don't spend the money we've spent and sign the players we've signed in order to just target top 4.
I really think that the club is lost. People there are scarred from the tenures of LVG and Mourinho. They brought in Solskjaer, saw the mood improve, saw periods of upwards trajectory and are now hoping and praying for more of it because if they let him go they have no idea who to appoint and who will offer continuancy to what we've built in recent years.
The problem with LVG was that he was out of touch with club football for a long time. I said even when he was appointed that pushing Giggs as an assistant manager was a recipe for disaster. Simply because LVG don't play like United played under SAF.I'd obviously still have Ole's version of United over Mourinho's - that was the real nadir imo.
But it could be time, memory lapse or whatever: I think LVG would get a real song out of this team. That's how bad it's gotten. I'm thinking favourably about LVG's coaching. Dear lord.
What about the second best coach in the league whose team can’t string two passes together and are relying on long balls and getting dominated?Said this in the matchday thread but for those wondering what good coaching does, watch how quickly City recover their defensive shape when they lose the ball in an attack. Within seconds they're all back in the right positions and pressing Liverpool to the point where they cant get out of their own half. They're not relying on one player to make a challenge.
We could get regelated and you’d still be arguing it wasn’t that bad because another manager also lost that weekendWhat about the second best coach in the league whose team can’t string two passes together and are relying on long balls and getting dominated?
Doesn’t klopp do ‘good coaching’?
The fundamentals of LVG and Pep style is pretty much the same but LVG is very risk averse. He doesn't want his players to take risk while Pep create various combinations in and outside of the box. Think, LVG might have done better if we had current team (in terms of quality).The problem with LVG was that he was out of touch with club football for a long time. I said even when he was appointed that pushing Giggs as an assistant manager was a recipe for disaster. Simply because LVG don't play like United played under SAF.
If he had the current setup like a director of football and got the "kind' of players LVG wanted he would have done a lot better. His teams had always a player maker and he tried to put Rooney in there. Rooney never was a player like that.
No but it’s stupid watching pep and this city team dominate and then using it to bash Ole. Why doesn’t he use klopps tactics and ‘style of play’ here to have a go at Ole insteadWe could get regelated and you’d still be arguing it wasn’t that bad because another manager also lost that weekend
By the best coach in the league. The fact it's still 0-0 says a lot about it too.What about the second best coach in the league whose team can’t string two passes together and are relying on long balls and getting dominated?
Doesn’t klopp do ‘good coaching’?
Whataboutery is all they have got, best to put them on ignore. They aren't interested in any discussions, just to waste your time.We could get regelated and you’d still be arguing it wasn’t that bad because another manager also lost that weekend
Sometimes a coach gets outcoached. Difference is Klopp will go to Watford next week and dominate them. He might even change things at half time and make it an even game today. We will struggle against Leicester as we have against everybody we have played since the Leeds game.What about the second best coach in the league whose team can’t string two passes together and are relying on long balls and getting dominated?
Doesn’t klopp do ‘good coaching’?
I mean about the players available. He recruited poorly. Yes give him this team and he will get a good structure of playing.The fundamentals of LVG and Pep style is pretty much the same but LVG is very risk averse. He doesn't want his players to take risk while Pep create various combinations in and outside of the box. Think, LVG might have done better if we had current team (in terms of quality).
Remember he was the one who got Blind and played as a CB. At that point EPL never knew anything about " playing from the back". So I don't agree that he was outdated but we were lacking the quality to implement his ideas .
The main thing that doomed LvG was his transfers and ‘my captain shall always play’. If we have gotten better midfielders than a past it Pigfecker and Schneiderlin, and a striker capable of scoring goals, that team is solid enough and capable enough in possession to move up a level. By the time Rashford was integrated into the team it was already a little too late for him.The fundamentals of LVG and Pep style is pretty much the same but LVG is very risk averse. He doesn't want his players to take risk while Pep create various combinations in and outside of the box. Think, LVG might have done better if we had current team (in terms of quality).
Remember he was the one who got Blind and played as a CB. At that point EPL never knew anything about " playing from the back". So I don't agree that he was outdated but we were lacking the quality to implement his ideas .
Not quite sure what you're getting at here?Imagine going to work at the office and telling your boss that to do the basics of your job description you'll be needing a new premium $2000 hand-crafted maple desk, a new $750 chair, a $3000 spanking new laptop with the latest graphics card, AND a team around you who are better than you at everything you do to support you.
Jesus. Some people on this forum are literally out of touch with reality.
I don't think he had any say in transfers nor had seen them playing. If we had a proper structure who knew what he wanted, he would have been successful.The main thing that doomed LvG was his transfers and ‘my captain shall always play’. If we have gotten better midfielders than a past it Pigfecker and Schneiderlin, and a striker capable of scoring goals, that team is solid enough and capable enough in possession to move up a level. By the time Rashford was integrated into the team it was already a little too late for him.
I’m assuming he means a mediocre manager like Ole doesn’t deserve to be managing the squad we have as it’s not his level. We’re trusting someone with our best squad in years who’s clearly not competent enough to make use of it.Not quite sure what you're getting at here?
Think he means ole needs world class players everywhere and a better coaching staff to manage usNot quite sure what you're getting at here?
He definitely had a say in the matter, he turned down Kroos and both Blind and Depay came due to the Dutch NT link. During his first season most signings were lined up already by the club due to him being at the WC, but he did have the veto, and he agreed on Shaw, Herrera and AdM, Falcao was an opportunistic last minute loan. In the 2nd season Depay (who were linked for the whole year and widely reported that remained at PSV at his advice), Schweistenger and Schneiderlin were all his choice, as were Martial. It was also his choice to sell RvP, not bring anyone else in after Falcao left and relied on Rooney as his main striker.,
I don't think he had any say in transfers nor had seen them playing. If we had a proper structure who knew what he wanted, he would have been successful.
His recommendations were Bastian,Blind, Romero,Depay and Rojo.
Bastian was old but he knew what he wanted. A deep lying playmaker.
Blind and Rojo - he wanted a left footed CB who can come forward and pass.
Romero - a keeper who is composed on the build-up.
True, I remember after the Europa League final, people were like "but Pep lost the CL, but Tuchel lost the FA Cup, but Rodgers bottled top 4". Comparing our failures to other's failures. But never their successes against our lack of.Whataboutery is all they have got, best to put them on ignore. They aren't interested in any discussions, just to waste your time.
@Zlatan 7 see what i mean? That's what a good coach can do. Klopp has responded. He put Salah wider to exploit the space behind Foden, and they've been going down that flank ever since and just scored from it.Sometimes a coach gets outcoached. Difference is Klopp will go to Watford next week and dominate them. He might even change things at half time and make it an even game today. We will struggle against Leicester as we have against everybody we have played since the Leeds game.
That goal was great no doubt, it took the world class brilliance from salah to beat men and a great run from mane.@Zlatan 7 see what i mean? That's what a good coach can do. Klopp has responded. He put Salah wider to exploit the space behind Foden, and they've been going down that flank ever since and just scored from it.
Honestly this game shows everything we are missing. It's not great players winning/losing this, its great coaching.
Find somebody a little closer to them than Ole and his merry men.That goal was great no doubt, it took the world class brilliance from salah to beat men and a great run from mane.
I don’t even know what you’re arguing, we all know they are two good managers, what do you want to do, make a clone?
Ole set up a lot better than what klopp did in the first half to play against pep.Find somebody a little closer to them than Ole and his merry men.
There is no way our management team would see what Pep was doing first half and respond to it the way Klopp has.
If i knew the answer to that i'd be working for the club!Ole set up a lot better than what klopp did in the first half to play against pep.
who’s a little closer to them that would suit us?
