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Naive of us to ever expect this not to reach 17 pages and out multiple bigots.My god the cafe never fails to amaze me. He’s asked us to stop singing it so stop singing it. Simple as that.
Naive of us to ever expect this not to reach 17 pages and out multiple bigots.My god the cafe never fails to amaze me. He’s asked us to stop singing it so stop singing it. Simple as that.
I'm not sure what you mean? Are you saying that the people singing it didn't see eating dogs as negative? Personally I don't see eating dog meat as different to any meat. To me it's just a cultural difference. So I wouldn't put it in a song because it's of no interest to me. But it was put in that song because of it's perception here.Why would this particular thing be negative but to appeal to white western standards? I actually don't care if people eat dog meat and don't think it should be seen as an issue. each to their own. It seems certain people are fighting to be accepted by certain other groups
The new development is that the people who want it to stop are the real racists.My god the cafe never fails to amaze me. He’s asked us to stop singing it so stop singing it. Simple as that.
I keep seeing pointless posts like this -My god the cafe never fails to amaze me. He’s asked us to stop singing it so stop singing it. Simple as that.
Morally bound. It's not forced. For example, I'm not forced to reply to your post, but I'm morally bound to.Maybe you don't know what obligation means.
The guy who actually said "Are you calling me a racist" had previously called Jewish people 'penny pinchers' on here. Baffling how he was so taken aback by the accusation.Park, a Korean: "This is regularly used as a racial insult against Korean people, it makes us uncomfortable, please stop"
Redcafe poster #1, not Korean: "Let me tell you what is and isn't anti-Korean racism...."
Redcafe poster #2, not Korean: "Actually, I think you'll find Koreans technically do eat dogs so it can't be an insult"
Redcafe poster #3, not Korean: "Actually, the people who think it's racist against Koreans are the real racists"
Redcafe poster #4, not Korean: "Are you calling me a racist?" [Banned for being a racist]
Etc, etc.
I don't think there was any malice intended against Koreans by whoever thought up the song nor by any United fans who were singing it back in the day. But that doesn't really matter now when we have Korean people telling us they find it offensive.what you are saying is it may be true but it's distasteful to make a song about? Isn't it different if some people actually still enjoy the food today as opposed to lynching people or putting individuals in a gas champer which no one will claim to enjoy and are sensitive topics that bring a lot of pain to the descendants of the victims?
It's not solely moral, you can be legally obliged, so it is sort of forced.Morally bound. It's not forced. For example, I'm not forced to reply to your post, but I'm morally bound to.
In answer to your other post, yes, Koreans who consider it racist are self loathing of their own cultures' declining practise. That's literally the point. Park says himself, people in Korea now hate it. They are ashamed of it. Which is why its declining.
Nothing in my post suggested legal obligation.It's not solely moral, you can be legally obliged, so it is sort of forced.
Anyway. We just disagree on who gets to decide what's offensive.
The active word was obligation, which literally means bound, which implies an external force, it's irrelevant whether it's legal or moral.Nothing in my post suggested legal obligation.
fair enough. But how is other meat prepared?I don't think there was any malice intended against Koreans by whoever thought up the song nor by any United fans who were singing it back in the day. But that doesn't really matter now when we have Korean people telling us they find it offensive.
and to be clear the reason they find it offensive is primarily related to the animal cruelty involved including the torture of the dogs by beating them whilst alive to tenderise the meat, and killing them by electrocution
I'm not trying to compare eating dog to the holocaust so there is no point in labouring that point.. it was just an example to illustrate that just because something is true it doesn't meant it's okay to say it
we're going way down the rabbit hole with that onefair enough. But how is other meat prepared?
I think it’s pretty obvious to stop singing a chant about someones fellow countryman eating dogs when the player the chant is about has asked for it to stop being sung.I keep seeing pointless posts like this -
There is literally no one in this thread who said they will keep singing it
All the discussion is about whether it's racist or not (I personally think not) and what is/isn't acceptable to sing nowadays - which are perfectly valid discussions with no clear answers
They're outing themselves easier and easier these days IMO. Before, they used to try to be a little subtle, and often needed to go on for a while before they outed themselves, but these days it's one or two posts later and you have that 'there it is' moment.Naive of us to ever expect this not to reach 17 pages and out multiple bigots.
It is very different because of the perception of the people singing it. Britain is well known for it's love of dogs as pets, and borderline family members, so in this context it does have an element of judgement and ridicule rather than a neutral statement of fact.Probably will get backlash from my comment, but 1 million dogs are eaten in South Korea every year.
It's not racist or xenophobic, it's a tasteless stereotype, saying that all Koreans eat dog. It's really no different to the stereotype that all English people drink tea or all Scottish people eat Haggis.
Obviously not everyone in this thread? Just the ones doing the aforementioned thingsWhat do you mean "you guys"?
And show me which posts in this thread disagree with thatI think it’s pretty obvious to stop singing a chant about someones fellow countryman eating dogs when the player the chant is about has asked for it to stop being sung.
The idea that black guys have big dongs is a stereotype, with no scientific backing. It has its origins in the very racist Mandingo stereotype, wherein black men are depicted as well-endowed, hypersexual and animalistic, incapable of being civilised. It was promoted by white slave owners to justify keeping them as slaves. Today, it's mostly promoted (and reinforced) in porn (where they specifically select for it).I get why this one is bad but still don't understand the issue with Lukaku's.
definitely. In the west it is something that is seen as wrongIt is very different because of the perception of the people singing it. Britain is well known for it's love of dogs as pets, and borderline family members, so in this context it does have an element of judgement and ridicule rather than a neutral statement of fact.
Never sang it once and don't know the words............So we are all in agreement. We will never sing this song again.
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Not uninformed but thanks.The idea that black guys have big dongs is a stereotype, with no scientific backing. It has its origins in the very racist Mandingo stereotype, wherein black men are depicted as well-endowed, hypersexual and animalistic, incapable of being civilised. It was promoted by white slave owners to justify keeping them as slaves. Today, it's mostly promoted (and reinforced) in porn (where they specifically select for it).
Hence why it's seen as a very problematic stereotype, even if it might seem complimentary to the uninformed.
Well you are if you didn’t know why that was racistNot uninformed but thanks.
"I don't understand why this is racist"Not uninformed but thanks.
Sums up so much of this thread (:Park, a Korean: "This is regularly used as a racial insult against Korean people, it makes us uncomfortable, please stop"
Redcafe poster #1, not Korean: "Let me tell you what is and isn't anti-Korean racism...."
Redcafe poster #2, not Korean: "Actually, I think you'll find Koreans technically do eat dogs so it can't be an insult"
Redcafe poster #3, not Korean: "Actually, the people who think it's racist against Koreans are the real racists"
Redcafe poster #4, not Korean: "Are you calling me a racist?" [Banned for being a racist]
Etc, etc.
Why are you misquoting me?"I don't understand why this is racist"
*gets detailed explanation about why it is racist and why a lot of people seemingly aren't informed of the context*
"I'm not uninformed but kthx"
Sums up so much of this thread (:
I actually hadn't even looked at your older posts in this thread until just now. Thought that was the first time you'd pulled the "I don't know why this is racist, just saying" routine.Why are you misquoting me?
Again you're quoting something I didn't say, stop.I actually hadn't even looked at your older posts in this thread until just now. Thought that was the first time you'd pulled the "I don't know why this is racist, just saying" routine.
Good to know my initial reaction was fair!