Think the 19 clubs have already understood that threat.
Oh. And they're pissed about the murderous regime who are looking to whitewash their atrocities as well.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58855831
Newcastle United now owned by the PIF | PL receives "legally binding assurances that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will not control NUFC" ;)
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Oh. And they're pissed about the murderous regime who are looking to whitewash their atrocities as well.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58855831
That's such a shit argument, surely you don't believe that yourself?
Countries that did things in the past (lots of them by politicians and people who are no longer alive) can't criticise countries that are doing things now?
And even if the UK and other Western countries were as bad, posters on here can't criticise other countries? Why.... I'M not writing UK foreign policy.
I think you will find that most gatekeepers of these oppressive systems aren't really strong believers in things that they impose on anothers. I doubt they would find it abhorrent, they may feign disgust but don't be shocked if one of them actually ends up dating those scantily dressed women, in private of course.It will be interesting when the new owners visit Newcastle and see how little the women there actually wear
They'll be in private rooms with many of them and there'll be plenty of takers.It will be interesting when the new owners visit Newcastle and see how little the women there actually wear
If nothing else, maybe geordies will wear burkas to away games now, and it won't feel like being invaded by mordor.
They aren't tainting it because the thing exists in a country that's is beyond morally bankrupt.
Not reading any of that. Why? Because it has absolutely feck all to do with a country with a long list of human rights abuses buying a fecking football club.
This isn't a debate about "what if the UK chose to buy a club", and even if it was it hasn't happened so it doesn't matter one jot. This is more a "imagine that Newcastle were bought by a guy who has been proven to kill a journalist, tortures his staff as a way of punishing them for doing things like protesting or trying to speak up about any injustices, and openly discriminates against women."
Again, it matters feck all about the shit the UK has done and continues to do. Boris Johnson hasn't bought Newcastle. When he does then, in the context of buying a football club, we can have that discussion. Until then, well, let's actually discuss the matter at hand instead of these stupid diversionary tactics.
The UK currently does things not in the past.
Read the posts literally no one has said you can't criticise but it's a joke to believe the UK or the league is somehow tainted or morally higher.
Great post.This "long-suffering fans" bollox has surely got to stop now. Why is this narrative so pervasive when it comes to Newcastle fans? I've never got it at all. They're treated like fecking martyrs all the time because their team, what? Plays in the fecking Premier League. Oh, the horror of it. They happen to play it in one of the most elite leagues in the world in a 50,000+ seater stadium! The humanity of it all.
I don't get it with them. "Poor old Newcastle fans"Give me a break. They nearly won something about 100 years ago (slight exaggeration) and now what? They have the god-given right to be in the top four? Challenge for the League? Win a cup? Be in the Premier League at all? And now they're dancing in the streets and wearing bin Salman masks and waving Saudi flags and people are saying "oh they deserve this, the poor sods" They don't "deserve" feck all.
Hope the feckers get relegated.
The UK government are morally bankrupt. People in the UK openly protest the country's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and everything else under the sun. I've heard a heckler stand up and call Tony Blair a war criminal at a public event. Try that in Saudi Arabia and see what happens.
And those of us who oppose this who aren’t English? Are we allowed an opinion?
We don't need to go into whitewashing and how it works. All you need to understand is that the reason western cultures can still go around the world and do whatever they want and kill whoever they want is because its under the guise of modern politics. You can campaign but if you believe we are killing people for extreme views rather than because we want their oil 80% of you will literally celebrate in the street. While maybe a minority will complain but because its under the guise of "free speech" the government doesn't have to do anything except pretend to listen.
I sometimes wonder how my fellow caf goers cope in their day to day lives if they display the same lack of nuance/understanding of grey areas as they do on here
Who said you can't oppose something? Weird no one ever said that.
But....the UK government aren't buying a football club. That what this discussion focuses on. What are the people supposed to do if the government doesn't listen? Pick up themselves and move to an isolated island?
Also for all involved in this discussion tossing "what abouts" here and there, I live in a former colony, that's still having our natural resources dominated by MNC's, so I have more moral high ground than everyone else in this thread
Spot on. He has tried to open up as much as he can. His activities are more of dictatorial than religious.
Maybe the idea of a superliague wasn't so crazy after all. Football has changed so much and we are all puppets.
That said. It will be exciting to follow this in continuation, this whole premier league being a playground isnt new, but it's certainly on another level.
Hope the soul of the premier league doesn't end up totally lost
That said. It will be exciting to follow this in continuation, this whole premier league being a playground isnt new, but it's certainly on another level.
Hope the soul of the premier league doesn't end up totally lost
You really believe that? Should we all stop buying anything that comes from China? The Saudis are amateurs when comparing with the Chinese.
In case it wasn't posted... Newcastle fans seem to be taking the news really hard 
By that logic the entire planet is morally bankrupt.
Depends. What has your country done in the past 12,000 years? Any atrocities we should be aware of?
What about you personally? And your ancestors?
Full history please before mancan92 and the others like him in here can decide if you are allowed to criticize MBS.
This place gets worse every day. Make some sarky comment and people jump down your throat and then add a bit.
Another thread for ignore
I read the Newcastle forum quite a lot to see how they're getting on and the constant whining there is nauseating. Yeah it sucks Bruce plays crap football but even when they play well, he gets peltered over there. They also have this really weird love affair with Benitez despite his football having been equally crap.
It's funny to me because you see news of Derby potentially being linked with Mike Ashley and they'd happily take him over there. You think teams like Derby, Forest, all who've won more recently than Newcastle, wouldn't bite your hand off for multiple promotions, long stretches in the premier league? Players like Saint-Maximin playing for them? Hell Sunderland are in League one and their forum is like a trip to the Bahamas compared to the Newcastle one.
It's funny to me because you see news of Derby potentially being linked with Mike Ashley and they'd happily take him over there. You think teams like Derby, Forest, all who've won more recently than Newcastle, wouldn't bite your hand off for multiple promotions, long stretches in the premier league? Players like Saint-Maximin playing for them? Hell Sunderland are in League one and their forum is like a trip to the Bahamas compared to the Newcastle one.
Yep this initiated 4 coups to get access to the oil
Gained access and controlled the countries resources
Killed hundreds of thousands of Afghanistan people
Sounds pretty bad to me.
The funny thing is you are rambling on like anyone said you cannot criticise them. Literally everyone of us has said specifically you can criticise and disagree with everything. Just don't pretend that it's because your defending some sort of great institute or that the UK is better than it or has any positive moral standing.
No one has done that.
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So ridiculous, now someone can't criticize anything cause his government did something 500 years ago.
As someone who is from a place conquered by the Spanish empire, i have zero hate against spanish people.
Very weak arguments in here "No, you can't criticize Saudi Arabia cause people from your country 500 years ago invaded other places", trying to put guilt for murder on people who probably is afraid of a flying cockroach or a spider.
Why are you even watching PL Football, if you hate british people so much?
So ridiculous, now someone can't criticize anything cause his government did something 500 years ago.
As someone who is from a place conquered by the Spanish empire, i have zero hate against spanish people.
Very weak arguments in here "No, you can't criticize Saudi Arabia cause people from your country 500 years ago invaded other places", trying to put guilt for murder on people who probably is afraid of a flying cockroach or a spider.
Jeez how many times, no one except you is discussing, attacking or defending the UK or USA governments, they are discussing the new owners of Newcastle United which is what this thread is about. You keep bringing up UK and USA governments.
50 pages already and it's looking likely it's going to be 100 soon. how many of you are willing to bet it would have been the same if the same people bought the club in the same country, but in lower division? lets say they bought Bradford instead - would football also be "dead" in that case? I'm asking those who are "done with football" because this was the tipping point for them. would you give up on football in that case as well?
In case it wasn't posted... Newcastle fans seem to be taking the news really hard
Look away Arsenal fans - far right, Aaron Ramsdale's already pushing for his next move.
It is so no point pretending thatWhy are you even watching PL Football, if you hate british people so much?
So ridiculous, now someone can't criticize anything cause his government did something 500 years ago.
As someone who is from a place conquered by the Spanish empire, i have zero hate against spanish people.
Very weak arguments in here "No, you can't criticize Saudi Arabia cause people from your country 500 years ago invaded other places", trying to put guilt for murder on people who probably is afraid of a flying cockroach or a spider.
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Again who said you can't criticise? Weird no one said that.
Yep in the context of attacking Newcastle fans because they are excited about where their club will be based on moral highground.
I'm struggling to understand this myself.
Newcastle is about to join the football elite. How else did they think this would ever happen? An angel would descend from the sky flush with cash and take over Newcastle? haha
You choose to take part and contribute to the ‘moral bankruptcy’ by your very words on this forum. Our entire race has a horrific past, some of us appear to want to learn from it, others are like you.
The problem is the with the framing. There is an implicit assumption that they need to join the “football elite” in whatever means necessary, otherwise they would have miserable lives.
A lot of this thread has this weird undertone that Newcastle fans have been suffering and their lives are so difficult because of Ashley. Someone called it “pain”. Does that not strike as a severe lack of perspective on what football is? If your club owner not buying the winger you want is causing you pain and ruining your life, the club owner is not the biggest problem here.
You basically just proved my point mate, cheers.
This thread is about Newcastle getting bought by Saudi Arabia. I'm sure there's a thread on here somewhere to discuss the UK owning other countries for propaganda or whatever point it is you are pushing.
I totally understand that perspective. But you have to also consider the flip side of that, which is that a lot of people do take considerable pride in their football club and want them to do well.
Unless you're religious and you think life has a higher purpose (which would actually make sense and there's nothing wrong with that), I'm not sure what the big deal is. Some people are passionate about art, movies, books etc. are you going to have the same attitude towards them, that their passions are meaningless in the grand scheme of things?
There's no winning this argument. British people will get all teary over Newcastle being bought by the Saudis, but won't vote for the sorts of politicians who will stop supplying weapons to Saudi to prevent them bombing Yemen.
There always an excuse for the excesses of British governments. Even the bombs dropped in Iraq and Afghanistan were for the betterment of the victims of those bombs.
Real evil is only done by foreign governments, not the people I voted for.
The best bit is everyone who talks about the journalist mbs had killed, but never bat an eyelid at how the Blair government murdered Dr David Kelly, the man who blew the whistle on fake WMD. The do called free press in this country protested the governments whitewash by printing a blank white front page. They then went back to helping Blair win a second term.
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Labour and Tories are the same shit.
UK is doomed, they will never do anything for british people, it's all about bankers and big corporations.