Have you ever been closer to wanting us to lose?

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Meh. There are many many times I’ve wanted us to lose. Iirc, many a times under Moyes, lvg and Mou. Mainly because it was ample clear it wasn’t working and an inconsequential loss in a write off season to ensure their exit seemed more important than winning.
During Fergie times, I recal once against Lille when we got knocked out of CL in group stages. Think it was 2005. It just wasn’t working and I thought SAF needed to see that we needed a new squad. That one, I deserve to be called an idiot for because apparently we were one Carrivk away from dominating.
In a nutshell, I think a loss against City is more important if it helps the Board get a competient guy in because I genuinely feel we can win silverware with the squad we have.
 
I have no idea why some would want to lose to force a manager out.

There is no guarantee that the next manager would come in and do any better. All that is guaranteed is lost points from the already lost games.
 
I never want us to lose. It is unthinkable. I want us to win , which is kinda the point of a football club. So, if you are in a position where you want the club to lose it is because the club isn't winning right? Anyway you look at it some of you get your way and the rest of us don't.
 
If you say things like "I don't ever want my team to lose," you need to give your head a wobble. Every great team in history was founded on the back of a loss or series of losses. Every great team! Losses allow the teams to try something new and voila! Success. Even in life, you have to take the pain of learning, slaving away at your books or gifts to become successful. Without the pain, you are nothing, and lassitude and incompetence steadily creep in, So if you think wanting a loss for the greater good is not supporting enough, you are wrong and don't understand how life, let alone football works.
 
jameyzane said:
If you say things like "I don't ever want my team to lose," you need to give your head a wobble. Every great team in history was founded on the back of a loss or series of losses. Every great team! Losses allow the teams to try something new and voila! Success. Even in life, you have to take the pain of learning, slaving away at your books or gifts to become successful. Without the pain, you are nothing, and lassitude and incompetence steadily creep in, So if you think wanting a loss for the greater good is not supporting enough, you are wrong and don't understand how life, let alone football works.
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Wow, that's spectacularly stupid. Are you actually being serious here?
 
jameyzane said:
If you say things like "I don't ever want my team to lose," you need to give your head a wobble. Every great team in history was founded on the back of a loss or series of losses. Every great team! Losses allow the teams to try something new and voila! Success. Even in life, you have to take the pain of learning, slaving away at your books or gifts to become successful. Without the pain, you are nothing, and lassitude and incompetence steadily creep in, So if you think wanting a loss for the greater good is not supporting enough, you are wrong and don't understand how life, let alone football works.
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You know wanting to lose and actually lose game are two different thing right?
 
I didn’t want us to lose last night and I won’t want us to lose at the weekend. I just want the board to be able to see that the manner of avoiding defeat isn’t good enough or sustainable.

Ronaldo saving a point shouldn’t be saving Ole’s job.
 
The thing about football is the hope. Every goal means maybe you'll win the game, go on a run and win the trophy. As long as we're mathematically in contention for something I can never want us to lose because that hope that maybe we'll suddenly win 10 on the bounce, get a good draw in the Cup etc.
 
From a perspective of someone often in this position.

I never in the moment wanted us to lose but there is defiently times I have looked back and thought that we really had a victory in disguise here.

For example, there's every chance Arteta got fired had we won at The Emirates last boxing day which may have led to them getting to Tuchel first.
 
Never close

Ive actually enjoyed a lot of this season, so many late goals and still elated when they happen. Cant help it

If he goes after the City game I will totally understand why if not I will continue to hope he turns it around

Its much easier and more enjoyable to support the club an outlook like this
 
Reditus said:
Never close

Ive actually enjoyed a lot of this season, so many late goals and still elated when they happen. Cant help it

If he goes after the City game I will totally understand why if not I will continue to hope he turns it around

Its much easier and more enjoyable to support the club an outlook like this
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I've enjoyed it too. Didn't enjoy Liverpool game, but the comebacks been class.

Brings me back to Moyes season prob the most intense as a supporter I can remember because we were so used to winning everything, then it was record breaking every week. Fairly enjoyed the ride that season.



Way too many people absolutely depressed about it all praying for defeats.
 
I was so restless and anxious the last minutes of the game last night that I had to watch it on my phone while talking a walk around my neighbourhood. Hope I didnt wake anyone up when I screamed at Ronnies equalizer.

There will never come a day when I don't want this team to win matches and score goals. Not one
 
spiriticon said:
I have no idea why some would want to lose to force a manager out.

There is no guarantee that the next manager would come in and do any better. All that is guaranteed is lost points from the already lost games.
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Well, it worked for Spurs.
They lost against us and now they have a serial winner in charge who has won 5 league titles in the last 7 years.
It is a risky strategy though, so perhaps we need to lose multiple games in a row. Losing to MCFC will not be enough.
 
RedSky said:
You sure it's Ole and not just this forum?
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No its Ole! Under Jose at the bad times, the win still pleased me because he had a big CV so I felt "Ok he knows what he is doing, trust it".

Ole has no clue. He welcomes depending on big players. Its not the way forward until hes sacked so I find myself just waiting and not enjoying any result.
 
I just feel conflicted. Celebrating a United winner is autonomic, I probably couldn't stop it if I wanted to. But moments after the game finished, I got to thinking about how this probably keeps Ole in a job til May, and thought about what that means for our season as a whole and, man, I can't help but feel down.
 
largelyworried said:
I just feel conflicted. Celebrating a United winner is autonomic, I probably couldn't stop it if I wanted to. But moments after the game finished, I got to thinking about how this probably keeps Ole in a job til May, and thought about what that means for our season as a whole and, man, I can't help but feel down.
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I don’t want us to lose but I’m feeling very disconnected and meh about the club and the way it’s run at the moment.
 
Anyone wanting us to lose should hang their head in shame.
All it could take is 1 good performance for everything to kick into place.
Oh unless we had the league won and by us losing we could relegate City or Liverpool but that'll never happen
 
It seems like approaching football with the intensity, seriousness and cold nature of a cutthroat businessman trying to come up with the ultimate deal is the new role of football supporters. It's all about finding the quickest and most effective way to trophies based on piles of data and statistics. Anything else is secondary. No, scratch that: it's of no importance whatsoever. Entertainment? Escapism? Feck that! Every small sign of deviation from the end goal must be dealt with immediately. No time to enjoy the fun parts. This is very serious business! And remember: the players and the managers are only cogs.
 
I don't want us to lose but I'm a bit apathetic again. It's not that we're unbearably bad all the time, there are moments to cheer and enjoy but all that is tampered by knowing we're headed nowhere, that we're stuck in a limbo, and it isn't going to get better any time soon. We're in a constant boom-bust cycle, except even the 'booms' are like 'we finished fewer than 20 points behind the champions' which is not much of a boom, let's face it.

Occasional great wins or wonderful goals feel sensational when you're supporting some mid-table club or lower. Back in the day when I still lived in my hometown, going to their games was always fun: we got beat most of the time so when we put up an unexpectedly good performance, it was amazing. But when it's one of the world's richest, most ruthlessly commercialised clubs, a couple of nice moments won't cut it. Football is less egalitarian than ever, the financial chasm between the haves and the have nots is growing steadily and only one club is bravely bucking the trend by having massive financial power and being consistently mediocre at the same time.

And in that context, wildly celebrating an equaliser at Atalanta where our substitutes cost more than their entire squad... well it's something I can't quite muster. I was still pleased, mostly because I really don't want to see United in the Europa League again. But I can't help but feel that we're mostly there to make up the numbers in competitions - and that's OK for a relative 'plucky underdog' like Atalanta but a bit less okay for Manchester United.
 
I want to win. However IF we are going to lose I hope it's a heavy defeat to put pressure on Ole.

I don't want some …'brave or valiant' effort crap from narrowly losing and keeping Ole safe.

So no I don't want to lose, I want to win but if we are losing I hope we're slaughtered and Ole gets sacked
 
Anyone who wants us to lose should hang their heads in shame, to me its like a child stamping their feet because they're not getting what they want. You chose to support United now support, because things aren't going well at the moment you can't start wanting United to lose.

Also where does it stop, so you wanted us to get beat from Liverpool it happens and Ole stay. Then its Spurs you want United to get beat from, he wins now its onto Atalanta and so on, so when do you start wanting United to win again, just when Ole gets the sack. So potentially you lot have put yourself in a position to want United to get beat every game this season.
 
Not gonna lie, a loss to City, an international break coming up, could be the perfect time to get rid of Ole as we should be able to navigate our way out of the Champions League group now and get a new manager bounce. This is a talented squad and Mr. Champions League will be a year older next season. Under Ole we can’t win/perform when the games matter. Should change that before the knockouts and before we fall too far behind and get into a dogfight with Conte & Spurs for 4th.

But, no, I can’t ever want us to lose. Apart from that time against City which stopped the scousers.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Not gonna lie, a loss to City, an international break coming up, could be the perfect time to get rid of Ole as we should be able to navigate our way out of the Champions League group now and get a new manager bounce. This is a talented squad and Mr. Champions League will be a year older next season. Under Ole we can’t win/perform when the games matter. Should change that before the knockouts and before we fall too far behind and get into a dogfight with Conte & Spurs for 4th.

But, no, I can’t ever want us to lose. Apart from that time against City which stopped the scousers.
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I didn't think I could ever want us to lose but after he survived that scouse savaging combined with fecking Spurs taking the only season saving proven option in Conte I feel so meh about anything to do with the club and I know full well that's a shocking and unacceptable mentality but can't help it.
 
Never want us to lose, but wins feel meaningless. After the Spurs and Atalanta games I felt nothing except that it would do more harm then good
 
VP89 said:
I don't want us to lose but Ive realized im not even that happy when we win now. Ole has sucked that positivity out of me, which no other manager did.
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TBH the last 8 years have been a slog and it's not because we aren't winning but the way the club is being run with the choice of managers culminating with Ole. We just won't learn which is why I've reached the stage in thinking that if the club can't be arsed in getting the best out of the club why should I?
 
No one wants us to lose.

Firstly we all wanted Ole to be good enough. He clearly isn’t.

Then we wanted the owners to understand that most of the top 10 have superior managers, and make a proactive change. They didn’t.

Then we wanted Ole to realise he’s only doing the club and his legacy harm by clinging on to a job when he’s incapable of taking us to another level. He hasn’t.

So now we’re left having to decide if we continue wasting seasons under a manager that isn’t good enough to win anything, or lose enough games early on, so the owners have no choice but to sack him, and we have enough time to turn our fortunes around. Potentially even win a trophy.

It’s a horrible situation to be in, but the ends justify the means.
 
Hawks2008 said:
Never want us to lose, but wins feel meaningless. After the Spurs and Atalanta games I felt nothing except that it would do more harm then good
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Sounds like you are letting your personal feelings and agenda take over. Wins are never meaningless unless you are happy to throw away the season just to have a change.
 
Hawks2008 said:
Never want us to lose, but wins feel meaningless. After the Spurs and Atalanta games I felt nothing except that it would do more harm then good
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This is it.

There is the initial burst of excitement as the goals go in but results are met with relief rather than happiness and then you see Solskjaer happy as a pig in shit and you just feel as though we're going nowhere.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Sounds like you are letting your personal feelings and agenda take over. Wins are never meaningless unless you are happy to throw away the season just to have a change.
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Winning enough to keep Solskjaer in his job is also throwing the season away.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Sounds like you are letting your personal feelings and agenda take over. Wins are never meaningless unless you are happy to throw away the season just to have a change.
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We threw the season away when we didn't sack Ole after the Liverpool game.
 
Ole has wiped out all excitement as a United fan.

We should be celebrating Ronaldo winners in the 90th minute.

What more does he have to do to get sacked? I mean its clear he is not good enough. The whole season has shown it.

Its so easy to predict what this United team is going to look like. Start the game pass it around the back, make 1 mistake followed by another followed by another. Concede a goal.

The other team once it scores, sits back for 10 mins while we keep the ball with our CB's and maybe get a jammy goal.

The team realises there is more goals and plays football, we sit back and cant get near them.

10 mins to go throw every player on, forget shape and formation and pray we nick a goal.

Rinse and repeat.
 
Matthew84! said:
Anyone wanting us to lose should hang their head in shame.
All it could take is 1 good performance for everything to kick into place.
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Imagine thinking Ole will suddenly become a top class coach and a tactical genius if we win a random game :lol:
 
A win against City and it's game on. Can't fault his resilience, I hope he keeps on keeping on.
 
What an absolute bullshit thread!

We're in CL and are among the 4 best clubs in the strongest ever PL, and the OP here paints a picture of a club that has never been in a more dire situation after a string of games where our defense has been admittedly very bad. The absolute madness! I can tell you that we have been in much, much darker places than this. Social media and black and white views on things makes the world a sad place sometimes.

I don't want Ole gone; I want him to succeed. He's built a great squad and he's done respectably well up untill now (2nd and 3rd in the PL with the competition that we have had the last two seasons is actually above the expectations). Out defensive record has been horrible this season, and it needs fixing, but let's see what happens. If we don't get out of the group in the CL and we don't stop the bleeding in the PL the next few weeks, we need to replace him, but we should obviously all want him to succeed.

The day you want us to lose, go support a different club!
 
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