Rebuild job needed…again

[markhughes]

I know we have to do better with the players we have and a new coaching team is obviously required however I actually think we need a HUGE rebuild.

Coaching team - needs replacing, including the manager.

Stadium - Old and knackered, needs serious investment.

Training facilities - Dated in comparison to our rivals.

US owners - Genuinely don’t care about the club, the bottom line is all that matters.
And now the team…

AWB - Not good enough for a top team.
Maguire - Just not good enough and is a liability at times.
Victor - Has never been good enough, decent squad option.
Shaw - Lacks consistency.
Fred - No need to explain
McTom - Not good enough, squad player at best.
Pogba - Needs to move on.
Cavani - It’s clear he won’t be here for too long
Ronaldo - Obviously will only be here for a year or two.
Martial - Enough is enough
Eric - How is he still here?
Jones - No need for an explanation.
Jesse - Squad player at best
Telles - Is not good enough

That is 13 players who are just not good enough or who will be gone in the next couple of years. Obviously we are not going to get rid of all of them and so we are stuck with our investments for a number of years.

That is a bigger job than most people realise I think, our first 11 seemed decent this year on paper but the midfield and defence need rebuilding and some of the big names will be gone within a couple of years.

No quick fix here I am afraid, I don’t see a manager being able to be successful with this group and in this environment.

 

[Judas]

Judge the players when a new manager comes in, nows not the time to throw some of these players under the bus when they're working under a hopeless regime.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

The squad is perfectly good to challenge. This is nonsense.

 

[Judas]

When you see how lesser teams play with clearly lesser quality players, and then want to make threads slagging our squad off its all a bit silly really. It's not a perfect team, but it's miles miles miles better than what we're currently seeing. A proper manager and coaching staff gets a lot more out of it.

 

[Ixion]

You would hope a few of them could be coached into doing their job more effectively, most of them have plenty of talent.

I think by next season we'll have lost 5-6 players that will need replacing to have a strong squad though so the next manager is going to have to bring a few players in.

 

[thegregster]

Judge the players when a new manager comes in, nows not the time to throw some of these players under the bus when they're working under a hopeless regime.

Lots of those mentioned have failed under more than 1 manager. Shaw and Martial are on their 3rd.

 

[hurricane thunderclap]

The squad is perfectly good to challenge. This is nonsense.

Agreed , nonsense. The untouchables need to see they are not untouchable and we need to install belief in the squad and a game plan.

 

[PoTMS]

I agree with the above posters but the problem is if we keep Ole in, there will be several players gone by that point whereby we will be under our perpetual state of transition again. Cavani, Lingard and Pogba are practically already gone at the end of the season. Several of his signings like Wan-Bissaka just simply aren't up to it. Ronaldo will be be 37. There'll be lost development for some of our younger players like Greenwood and Rashford. It's just negligent at this point for them to carry on under this manager.

 

[Judas]

Lots of those mentioned have failed under more than 1 manager. Shaw and Martial are on their 3rd.

I said "some" for that reason. Obviously I don't believe in all of the squad, only a fool would.

 

[Skills]

Lots of those mentioned have failed under more than 1 manager. Shaw and Martial are on their 3rd.

They failed under all 3?

 

[WPMUFC]

every player gets a fresh start under a new manager. As i mentioned in other threads, Ole has beaten Pep and taken it to other Top 6 managers with a vastly inferior squad and a lot of these same players. He has lost any ability to get the squad functioning as a cohesive unit. This then is manifesting in what we see out their on the pitch. Obviously the players have to be held to account, but the manager is the root cause of the problem.

Since we last beat Pep et al. we've added Varane, Sancho, Ronaldo, yet over the weekend decided to play 7-1-2. You're not going to easily convince me the addition of these players and the inconstistency of the squad now equates to this absolute shitshow.

There is something fundamentally wrong in the squad, Maguire/Shaw etc are making school yard errors. That doesn't just happen.

 

[Sky1981]

Stop this nonsense.

Proper manager doesn't need a new XI. Most good manager worked with what they have, sprinkled with 1-2 good purchase and gradually build their way to their optimum XI.

Enough with this "rebuild and deadwoods FC"

Our so called deadwoods are winning trophies left right center

 

[dove]

It's not.

 

[Gavinb33]

Did Chelsea need a rebuild when Tuchel came in?

What we need is a better coach, when better coaching happens the mistakes we see now will stop akin to how Tuchel resolved all the issues that were there under Lampard without the need for a rebuild

 

[onetwo3oclock4oclockrock]

This squad, without Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho, was the 2nd best team last year. No need for a rebuild. Add a quality CM and it might be the strongest squad in the league.

 

[Tarrou]

We’ve got a good squad

New manager will need a new midfielder but we’re pretty much good to go then

 

[Ralph1386]

If he stays there will be a lot more players leaving than if he goes. Meaning, the earlier he goes, the smaller the rebuild.

 

[Idxomer]

The one complaint I don't understand is the lack of consistency of some players. That will always be there with underperforming managers.

Players might have spells of good form, it might even extend to a year but they will always be brought down by the quality of the manager and the team around them.

We haven't had one consistent outfield player in the last 8 years because of managers.

 

[kouroux]

The squad is perfectly good to challenge. This is nonsense.

Challenge what exactly ?

 

[Ixion]

This squad, without Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho, was the 2nd best team last year. No need for a rebuild. Add a quality CM and it might be the strongest squad in the league.

It wasn't really though. Liverpool hammered us at OT and Chelsea won the CL at the end of last season, we finished ahead of them because of injuries and Lampard.

 

[K Stand Knut]

AWB - Not good enough for a top team - wrong
Maguire - Just not good enough and is a liability at times - wrong
Victor - Has never been good enough, decent squad option - wrong
Shaw - Lacks consistency - wrong
Fred - No need to explai - wrong
McTom - Not good enough, squad player at best - wrong
Pogba - Needs to move on - correct but also not good enough
Cavani - It’s clear he won’t be here for too long - correct
Ronaldo - Obviously will only be here for a year or two.l - correct
Martial - Enough is enough - correct
Eric - How is he still here - he has a contract
Jones - No need for an explanation - see above
Jesse - Squad player at best - and what. We need a squad, no?? His lack of minutes is the problem.
Telles - Is not good enough - wrong

You might notice that I disagree with a lot of what you are saying.

We are a manager with a good plan away from pushing on from last season.

I’m not talking genuine title contenders because we are still behind Liverpool and city convincingly.

However, all of the players listed above would considerably outperform themselves with a manager who had some sort of cohesive tactical plans and set up.

I’d get rid of the entire coaching staff personally and then judge the players.

 

[VanDeBank]

Judge the players when a new manager comes in, nows not the time to throw some of these players under the bus when they're working under a hopeless regime.

Exactly. Conte won a title with Darmian and Young. He also massively improved Lukaku who was branded a flop here.

AWB - Not good enough for a top team.
Maguire - Just not good enough and is a liability at times.
Victor - Has never been good enough, decent squad option.
Shaw - Lacks consistency.
Fred - No need to explain
McTom - Not good enough, squad player at best.
Pogba - Needs to move on.
Cavani - It’s clear he won’t be here for too long
Ronaldo - Obviously will only be here for a year or two.
Martial - Enough is enough
Eric - How is he still here?
Jones - No need for an explanation.
Jesse - Squad player at best
Telles - Is not good enough

I disagree on Shaw, Fred, Bailly, Telles. But more importantly we have such a bloated squad that we'd still have 20+ good players with some of these players moved on or becoming squad players. We're on 30 players now and that's not included some promising youth like Amad, Elanga, Shola, Galbraith, Laird, Hannibal ...

 

[jackal&hyde]

Don't think we are good enough to expect or demand a title challenge but we should be much better then what we've seen this season, especially defensively and in build up.

 

[tomaldinho1]

It never has been a rebuild, that’s the irony. Just because Mou downed tools didn’t make the job any different to any other manager at any other club coming in - there’s players you want, players you don’t and you need to deliver results in line with expectations. Yes there was a lot of negativity but why would that keep being a factor once the manager who caused it had gone? Why is it still discussed today as if Ole had to work on a budget and actually create something? He’s bought a selection of the best players in the world and playing worse and worse football.

 

[R'hllor]

Nope, shit needs to be earned from now on, fecking hell every time same shit, new manager, new deadwoods, rebuilding again, need for new players to be his that will translate into his squad, years and 300 mil plus down the road, never ending cycle.

Show vision and idea of football on the pitch first, through trainings show ability to improve players that are already here (not all, some wont cut it ofcc) or at least make them to look good etc.

Some teams can play football with players of lesser quality, in worst case they trying to play it but failing due lack of. Changes and improvements can be seen after few months ( not talking about good vibes of new manager honeymoon period ), only in United, manager needs 400 mil, 5 transfer windows and 5 years to be in position where he can be judged.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Rebuild nonsense. Squad is fine to challenge for honours right off the bat, there’s an incredible amount of options to work with.
Once the new guy has shown he can work with it and start moulding it to his style, then a couple of ins, couple of outs will be earned to get him extremely close to where he wants to be.

Stop being fooled into thinking every new manager needs to rebuild a team exactly to his wishes, that’s been our biggest mistake since Moyes, every fecker gets to gut the squad and spend a shit tonne. No more.

 

[stw2022]

The team is fine

 

[Skills]

The fact he’s just switched formation rather than trying to make what he was supposedly building towards since he came here work, shows he was never building towards anything and was just naming a team and hoping for the best.

We went 3-5-2 because a guy was linked as being his replacement who is associated with that formation. I would put money on the fact this was the extent of the thought that went into the change

It's worse than that. His thought process was literally, we're conceding a lot of goals - so lets trying throwing another defender on the pitch.

 

[wolvored]

I agree with the OP except the team properly coached and managed would perform a lot better. Some of the players have regresed since coming here and thats the sign of bad or no coaching.

 

[Morpheus 7]

This squad should be challenging, don't chat nonsense. We need to boost the cm that's it. United have the best squad in over a decade now, unfortunately probably the worst manager. Watch what happens when an actual manager comes in to coach this lot.

 

[Rustyspider13]

The only rebuild that is required is in the midfield and the RB in an attacking sense. That is it. One well planned transfer window can solve that.

The attack is stacked and the defense needs organization. We know how good players like Maguire and Shaw can be. They are just completely shot of confidence and form. At this point they need some rest and guidance on what to do when their instincts fail them.

 

[stw2022]

It's worse than that. His thought process was literally, we're conceding a lot of goals - so lets trying throwing another defender on the pitch.

Yes…but I posted in wrong thread so I edited. Sorry

 

[FrankDrebin]

A offensive right back and two technically capable central midfielders could make this squad far more effective under the right management.

The potential within the squad is quite high but that's all it'll be (potential) for the time being.

 

[Trophy Room]

Complete nonsense. We just need a better manager.

 

[Superden]

We've been shown up by teams with a less than 10% of our budget for playing staff and yet the answer is more shiny toys..

 

[::sonny::]

At United are saying that Ole is going to remain

0% chances for him to leave, there’s no a plan b

 

[J2J]

I agree that the squad is a little bloated in some areas and there are a few players that we should look to move on.

But I don’t get this obsession that some fans have with the idea that we need to sell every player that isn’t first eleven quality. Also you don’t need world class players in every position to beat teams like Young Boys or Aston Villa.

 

[Judge Red]

A rebuild of the coaching staff, yes. A rebuild of the board, yes.

 

[Lee565]

No way, get a good offensive minded manager that is up to date with modern style of football and I think a lot of the players will shine, if we had a manager like pep I genuinely believe players like mata, van der beek and matic would have new lease of life as technically they a very good footballers but are playing under a complete novice in ole who is all about physical qualities and individualism over technical ability because he doesn't know how to coach it

 

[Ixion]

The squad is not balanced at all. A new manager would 100% need to make signings and replace the players on the verge of leaving.