I honestly don’t give a shit about the outcome at this stage, I don’t like either of them.
I was just trying to convince myself from the actual reality that it’s really much worse news for you than me
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Never seen a graph like that, but that's my interpretation as well
The relevant bit for showing Max was lifting, and not braking at all, and expecting Lewis to pass him is the bit before 5000m.
The bit after the 5000m mark is where both drivers brake, and Lewis actually brakes first. What I dont know is at what point exactly the collision happened.
The bit after the 5000m mark is where both drivers brake, and Lewis actually brakes first. What I dont know is at what point exactly the collision happened.
Incredibly bullish.
Edit: Here's laps 35-37 for both drivers
Stewards said no further action regarding the Leclerc & Perez crash. That seems reasonable. Leclerc had literally nowhere to go, even if he'd braked he would catch Perez rear left, and the barriers were narrowing on the left hand side. Perez was squeezed on the right hand side iirc, so he couldn't have left that much more space.
Also, this is a great photo.
Also, this is a great photo.
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The moaning is tiresome. I’ve grown to like Lewis I can’t deny that, but I didn’t like him in the past. Maybe that’s partly because I find Max incredibly dislikeable. And not because of his personality, or anything like that. It’s purely that I think he crosses the line of proper racing. I’m all for aggressive, just fair aggressive. All the throwing toys out the pram, it’s just part of it all. Hamilton used to be just as bad when he was younger.
Oh, and Horner is a total semen stain.
Oh, and I hope you weren’t offended by my post, it was a joke
The collision will be when Lewis brakes, His throttle goes haywire at the same time as he slams on the brakes and has a few seconds of not knowing what to do before they carry on racing.
If you pop open the spoiler box to see in the intersecting laps, it's easier to spot the unnatural slowing part.
Edit: Looks like the contact is actually be at 5300m. The first time they slow to 100 km/h.
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Max came across as a proper arrogant brat on drive to survive, and as you say he crosses the line in his aggression a lot but is also clearly an extremely good driver.
I’ve mellowed towards Lewis a bit in recent years but still don’t like him.
Can’t lie I’d absolutely piss if they took each other out in T1 next week.
Finally finished the gp. What a race. Wow. What a track. Max really needs to cut the crap out. Such a talented driver. He doesnt need to do the dodgy stuff. He has enough talent and the car to win without resorting to such antics.
Eventually it will cost him world championships in the future long after Lewis has retired. This season hes only battling lewis, next season it could be lewis, leclerc, sainz, lando etc. Who knows. All the driver will know one thing, max is dirty and cant be trusted so do to him what he would do to you I.e. drive him off track or stick him in the wall.
Eventually it will cost him world championships in the future long after Lewis has retired. This season hes only battling lewis, next season it could be lewis, leclerc, sainz, lando etc. Who knows. All the driver will know one thing, max is dirty and cant be trusted so do to him what he would do to you I.e. drive him off track or stick him in the wall.
Oh he definitely is an incredible driver. Which is why I don’t understand his driving attitude. He could compete by being fair too. I hope they don’t crash in T1, obvs because it messes up Lewis if they do but also I would actually just like the title, which has become so bitter, to end on a proper positive note for the sport. I think that’s really key.
I might actually watch it next week if I remember, it’s definitely set up perfectly now.
Should add that the telemetry data for braking is binary, if you touch the brakes even a tiny bit it shows 100% Basically on/off.
Yes there is. At the beginning of the yellow area they both break together then near the end of the yellow box Lewis breaks sharply to stay behind Max then Max breaks sharply directly after him. Then Lewis breaks again.
That's what I find hard to believe too, in the most sophisticated motor sport on earth.
Looks like Max did brake, like he said he did. Toward the end of the yellow bracket.
This is what I'm thinking as well, the yellow box just shows them speeding up (I'm thinking the beginning of the box is the corner before), and they were slowing down. Also, it's right before the last corner so 5500m makes sense.
If that's the case, Max could be in trouble, he's clearly breaking.
Would be helpful if instead of distance, it had turn 1,2,3,4 etc
It is a great photo, I laughed at the shots of him just stood there, as if waiting for a bus, during the raceStewards said no further action regarding the Leclerc & Perez crash. That seems reasonable. Leclerc had literally nowhere to go, even if he'd braked he would catch Perez rear left, and the barriers were narrowing on the left hand side. Perez was squeezed on the right hand side iirc, so he couldn't have left that much more space.
Also, this is a great photo.
I can't believe people can't see that it's beyond belief.
It would be helpful to have some form of overlay to see where they are on the circuit and confirmation of where the impact occurred on the telemetry to know what we’re looking at.
You can see the brakes being applied by them both, but is that at a relevant point?
You can see the brakes being applied by them both, but is that at a relevant point?
I think Lewis braking first may be throwing them off?
Yeah, that would help. All you can really tell from this is Max brakes at a point he didn't on the previous two laps, maybe that's relevant, maybe that's not.
I made an edit to one of the earlier posts. It seems the contact was at 5300m approx. The first dip to 100 km/h.
There's another corner right after. You can look at this video for reference.
Lewis and max and as good as each other and as bad as each other.
To be a world champion you have to be a bit of a dick. They've both played dirty throughout this season.
Just enjoy the battle, it's been a while since we've had this.
To be a world champion you have to be a bit of a dick. They've both played dirty throughout this season.
Just enjoy the battle, it's been a while since we've had this.
I guess the question is why would he need to break at all? In what scenario would he need to speed up his deceleration that much (that wouldn’t happen simply from easing off).
Yes I have seen the edit you made, that's where I was trying to refer to. Thanks. He could be in trouble based on that data
Why is everyone obsessing over brakes and not the fact he changed direction a few times?
Fair.
What’s the Abu Dhabi track like? Who does it favour?
Also, the theories about Max purposely taking out Lewis.. Surely that’d be some kind of WC points deduction. You can’t have an incentive to take somebody out
Also, the theories about Max purposely taking out Lewis.. Surely that’d be some kind of WC points deduction. You can’t have an incentive to take somebody out
Yeah I'm not sure what all the complaining is about but then again, I'm not a F1 follower. I've only been tuning in as a casual viewer because there's an actual heated rivalry happening at the moment. As far as I'm concerned the drama and dirty tricks are great entertainment.
The drifting left toward the middle of the track, back to the right, then once again to the middle, along with the erratic throttle and braking - this is all Max surely? That on top of the previous race and his other dirty tricks in this race.
Mercedes weren't angels today. Anyone know the rule on safety car in lap? Bottas was super slow. The >10 car length gap by Lewis was addressed I think (neither were formation laps). Lewis also ran Max wide as well.
Mercedes weren't angels today. Anyone know the rule on safety car in lap? Bottas was super slow. The >10 car length gap by Lewis was addressed I think (neither were formation laps). Lewis also ran Max wide as well.
There’s a monster of a straight which obviously suits the Mercedes. Other than that I’m not sure. General consensus seems to be it favours the Mercedes.
Only one is consistently running wide and not yielding in my opinion. Not saying Lewis is an angel, he's had his fair spats and rivalries on the track, Massa years back spring to mind. But his experience has showed on the track lately. Silverstone was the turning point when he knew he couldn't let Verstappen run all over him and put his nose where it shouldn't have been to send a message. Now we are in this situation. Next season will be very interesting starting on a clean slate, if you're battling with Verstappen, hold your ground. LeClerc, Norris and others will play fire with fire from race 1.
Mercedes stronghold. Max was dominant last year, but then Mercs had old power units, and Red Bull had new ones. This year Mercedes have quite fresh power units, and will dominate on the straights, Red Bulls are better around the twisty parts. I'd say it slightly favors Mercedes. Also the track has had track layout changes since last year to help overtaking.
Cheers both. Should make for a cracking race then.
I’m torn between wanting it to go in all square or max getting penalised. I think the best chance of a good racing battle would be Lewis to be up by a few points, that way max would feel that he has to keep clean
I think for the most part the collision was caused by confusion as Lewis had no idea what Max was slowing for. Had Lewis known, I think it would've been a different story. But that being said, Max definitely is to blame for it based on exactly what you've pointed out. It's erratic driving. IMO he should get some form of punishment.
Also, Lewis ran max wide? Are you talking about lap 15 after the restart? It was his corner by a mile.
Here's the helicopter replay. Click here if the video above doesn't appear.
Makes it look like Lewis could've passed quite a lot earlier.
Lines up with what he said about not knowing what Max was doing.
Really feel like there wouldn't be a crash if Lewis had been notified of Max letting him through in time, then he'd just swung out to the side and passed him.
We're bickering over the wrong thing here, whether he braked, left enough space yada yada yada. That's on the race director for not making the situation clear. How can only one driver be informed!? Crazy crazy crazy. Masi really showing he's not up to the task.