seriously? This place never ceases to amaze me at times.F1 2021 Season
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seriously? This place never ceases to amaze me at times.This this just not right, even after all the evidence that Max did in fact brake test Lewis, you still think it was down to Lewis
So...can we have a separate thread on Hamilton vs Schumacher?
Oh but Im there.. I fully follow and I understand, maybe I could have just emphasized sooner, but I had the feeling I was constantly defending myself against people stating I was only surprised/biased as Im a typical Max fanboy
Which has zero impact on the result or the championship. Or the fact he will probably try to take Hamilton out yet again if he gets a chance next race.
It's just sarcastic respond to argument told many times.
The fact is both were doing stupid things to gain DRS advantage. TBF Lewis started the chain of stupid events because he didn't go past. And it was clear that Max is letting him pass or it's something wrong with Max's car. He was 20-30 kmh slower in the corner infront of straight and was visibly slowing down for 250m before contact, definitely enough that Lewis would acknowledge that he can go by but he decided to downshift and break.
Then came the point where Max acknowledged that if he doesn't slow down dramatically Lewis will get through DRS zone behind and so he responded with braking even more.
So yeah both at fault for the incident and I agree with user who said the rules need to change that something similar doesn't happen again cuz it's dangerous. Imagine there would be cars close behind which wouldn't understand what is happening and terrible things could happen.
Ridiculous. Not even comparable events.
So what are you implying? They should deduct as many seconds until he drops 3rd? 10 seconds is a standard punishment in formula 1. If he still remains in 2nd place after that its also because he deserves so by realizing such a lead on sunday right? Or do you suggest they should go out of their way and punishment standards with the goal of him dropping on the table?
Moreover, he did get 5 seconds during the race, was asked to let Lewis pass and dropper two places after the red flag. All rightfully so, but there is hardly any denying he got punished, hence he is not getting away with reckless driving..
Jees, dont people fecking read? I wasnt comparing the event.. Merely stating that there the punishment for Lewis was still a punishment even though it didnt have any impact, just as im this scenario with Max..
Worse than that the "half points race" was a farce and is the only reason they are level on points.
Add to that the lack of punishment in Brazil and the previous race (effectively).
A driver has just brake checked another driver on the straight, also tried to crash him off the track. Yet you think the talking point should be Bottas slowing down a bit?
Who is the WUM?
Maybe (for certain offences), they should deduct a place rather than X seconds. Then, it's clearly a punishment?
(In theory, deducting ten seconds for another driver in another similar situation could be say... a two, three place drop so setting it as 'one place' is (a) a definite punishment and (b) consistent)
But it actually is in terms of punishment. Hamilton was deemed at fault, was given a very minor punishment that didn’t have any impact on his race despite Max getting a DNF and having to take an engine penalty in the next race because his car was destroyed.
People on here are acting like it was an act of murder to press the break. It was dangerous and there was a punishment, there were mitigating circumstances because max had no idea why Hamilton wasn’t passing and Hamilton had no idea why max was slowing.
Midway through the season I mentioned this seasons thread isn't even close to the arguments and fighting during the 07/08 Spygate threads. It's getting pretty close now.
Should never be allowed if it is. Imagine everybody doing that during every restart. Nobody would want to be starting up front because you'd get fecked over by number two and possibly three. How's that fair?
Wow.
How long have you been watching F1?
Max also contributed to the Silverstone incident. Even the stewards ruled as much. By my estimation 60/40 so Hamilton was only slightly more to blame.
Its not necessarily more consistent right. A place punishment could be either a difference in 7 points or 0 points. It could be a punishment of a minute or a punishment of three seconds..
A punishment should fit the crime.. In football there is also no punishment that immediately makes sure you cant win the match anymore. You can conceed penalties, get red cards, fouls against you.. All things which can massively influence your chance to win the game.. Just like a 10 second punishment is in Formule 1. The fact that it hardly bothers Max and Lewis is also their accomplishment for awesome performances.. For basically everyone else 10 seconds is usually a massive influence..
U funny man.
Silverstone still being brought up, yawn.
Lewis' skills don't include mind reading, which is the only way he'd know that Max was planning to stand on his brakes.
I think where my view differs slightly (I’m ignoring Silverstone as it has nothing to do with anything) is that, that doesn’t justify the brake test. If he hasn’t slammed the brakes, then I would agree there is nothing to punish - pure confusion caused by the stewards communication cadence - which I said plenty of times at the time of the incident. But there is no valid reason to slam the brakes there. That’s irrespective of Hamilton going slow. You don’t just slam the brake. For me, that is the only punishable element and in my opinion is independent of the whole slowing down farce altogether. Regardless, he just shouldn’t have slammed the brakes. Surely you understand that?
Dropping final positions rather than adding time may be an appropriate method for future seasons. Similar to what they do with engine/gear box changes and starting positions.
Also, I think they should start deducting points from manufacturers table for unsafe release etc.
Also, I think they should start deducting points from manufacturers table for unsafe release etc.
Yes, I completely understand. That's why he's been penalised because he caused the accident. However, the stewards have made the decision it's only 10 seconds taking everything into account.
Some people here are acting like he should have been disqualified / demoted to 3rd etc. but the stewards (experts) have considered it and came out with a reasonable decision which is supported by the rule book as a previous poster referred to. I'm only mentioning Silverstone because the idea that 'the punishment is lower due to the effect on the title race' or 'the punishment should impact on the standings' are red herrings.
Since 1994 but thanks for caring, hope you're well xxx
I hope we get a race to the last lap. I really hope we don't have something like one of the getting Covid ruin it.
Bottas will be vital in the last race, Mercedes need him 2nd, to act as a buffer for Lewis, making it harder for Max to get up alongside Lewis. He does seem to have found his form, I predict a Mercedes front row lockout. I hope the race doesn't turn into a procession.
Perez has let Red Bull down in tbe constructors, had he been more consistent they'd have probably won it. I'm surprised they've persisted with him, they've binned drivers for less.
It's been the best season in years, I just hope the last race is befitting of this. I really hope the regulation changes don't ruin this and even better, we have several teams and drivers who are competitive. Going to be very empty Sundays until it restarts unless United are on.
Verstappen is a tricky one, I want to like him as you can tell he's talented, he's just hard to like as Red Bull enable him so much and his antics. He's also one of the few drivers who have taken the fight to Mercedes even when they were dominant. He's definitely been enabled all his life, due to Daddy's connections he's been very much handed everything on a plate, although of course he still needs the talent see Stroll and Mazepin for Daddy's assistance but lack the talent. Horner worships him, probably didn't want him to leave for another team. I think Toto would have taken him to task where needed, Toto looks like someone I would not want to cross.
I did say when Verstappen won his first race he would win a title one day.
I'm looking forward to seeing George in the 2nd Mercedes next season. Could be interesting to see his ability in a fast car over the course of a season, could he challenge Lewis?
Bottas will be vital in the last race, Mercedes need him 2nd, to act as a buffer for Lewis, making it harder for Max to get up alongside Lewis. He does seem to have found his form, I predict a Mercedes front row lockout. I hope the race doesn't turn into a procession.
Perez has let Red Bull down in tbe constructors, had he been more consistent they'd have probably won it. I'm surprised they've persisted with him, they've binned drivers for less.
It's been the best season in years, I just hope the last race is befitting of this. I really hope the regulation changes don't ruin this and even better, we have several teams and drivers who are competitive. Going to be very empty Sundays until it restarts unless United are on.
Verstappen is a tricky one, I want to like him as you can tell he's talented, he's just hard to like as Red Bull enable him so much and his antics. He's also one of the few drivers who have taken the fight to Mercedes even when they were dominant. He's definitely been enabled all his life, due to Daddy's connections he's been very much handed everything on a plate, although of course he still needs the talent see Stroll and Mazepin for Daddy's assistance but lack the talent. Horner worships him, probably didn't want him to leave for another team. I think Toto would have taken him to task where needed, Toto looks like someone I would not want to cross.
I did say when Verstappen won his first race he would win a title one day.
I'm looking forward to seeing George in the 2nd Mercedes next season. Could be interesting to see his ability in a fast car over the course of a season, could he challenge Lewis?
I'm saying that brake checking deserves more than a time penalty.
Hamilton was deemed to have the majority of fault. But Max contributed to Silverstone and it was a racing event. Not an attempt to brake check.
You're defending the indefensible, but I'm glad you find it funny.
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Similar time to me. Seems weird that people are bringing up Silverstone alone and not in context of Max nearly causing a collision many times this season even before Silverstone but Lewis had to back out.
Now Max has broken all racing norms of sportsmanship and Silverstone is being brought up as comparable when it really isn't at all.
U funny man.
On what basis? Are you more clued up than the stewards with all the info?
So you’re happy the stewards were spot on here then? After reviewing all the data?
Just enjoy the fact it’s competitive, neither are squeaky clean.
The funny thing is if Max were 25% the driver Lewis is he wouldnt have crashed in Silverstone.
the first paragraph is a bit of a stupid argument sorry. Do you always agree with every yellow and red card in football, then?It can be competitive without trying to crash your opponent off the track and brake checking them. Max's telemetry has been posted in this thread you can see for yourself.
Even Massa , who is not a big fan of Lewis by any stretch of the imagination, is very critical of Max. For both braking and slightly weaving while he slows down.
Given I don't know that much about F1 I tend to defer my opinion to Marc Priestley. He always seems to hold a reasonable opinion which he imparts in an eloquent and easy to understand manner. He prevaricates a bit on the DRS repass issue and defends Max a lot more than I thought he would, but he breaks it down well and still comes out with a reasoned, well argued stance (he gets a lot of stick in this really quite a long video).
So toxic in here. Glad I'm not a fan of any of these 2.
Hoping Ferrari and McLaren nail the new regulations!