Why does Lewis deserve it more? A lot of bullshit decisions earlier in the seasons…
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I don't like this narrative that you can't let this be overturned because it's for the title. The title just literally got decided by outside forces other than on the track 
There's no moral high ground in the way Max 'won'
There's no moral high ground in the way Max 'won'
Correct.
Hamilton was free to pit….
I think it is obvious that both drivers were miles ahead of the field. Max deserved 2nd place. Of course that's my opinion but I'm sure many agree.
Ok, so one race determines who is deserving for you, in which Max had no impact on. That's your decision.
And to repeat myself, I'm not talking about the race today, I'm talking about the whole championship, it's a totally different conversation.
Think he's worried.
Why no uproar about the first lap anymore?
But he didn't based on their decision to not let them pass presumably?
Yep. Should be.
Wow. What a finale.
Haven’t read through all the posts here but wasn't Max screwed out the early decision when Hamilton went off track & got ahead of Max - and so the decision to race at the last lap just evened out Max’s luck for the day?
Haven’t read through all the posts here but wasn't Max screwed out the early decision when Hamilton went off track & got ahead of Max - and so the decision to race at the last lap just evened out Max’s luck for the day?
In that case Verstappen probably would have stayed out and got track position, and then god knows what the decision at the end would've been. Probably would not have been that gracious towards Lewis.
Went for a walk, what did he say?
Technically yes, but realistically no. That's notwithstanding that would the farcical application of the rules would have been the same had Hamilton pitted and not Verstappen?
His privacy settings means you can't block him.
And won under SC until they changed it.
Evened out? Come on haha
But that wasn't a fair racing lap though. One car had the clear and unfair advantage and was always going to win.
A manufactured one lap shootout was a terrible enough farce, but I still was happy to see it. But the question is more, if we are going to make this happen, how can it be fair if one side is given such a drastic advantage?
The pits rules are a joke. As has been discussed before, they should be abolished. Nobody should be allowed tyre changes under SC/flags and if they are for damage reasons, they lose the places. It can never be fair otherwise.
Hamilton couldn’t pit because if the regulations were actually followed that race would have finished under a safety car. So if he pitted and max didn’t then title gone. Mercedes didn’t know Masi was going to make shit up on the fly.
OFFICIAL: Mercedes protesting Abu Dhabi GP result
Indeed Mercedes have launched two protests.
One is against Max Verstappen for 'breach of Article 48.8 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.'
One is against the classification, for 'alleged breach of Article 48.12 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.'
What are Mercedes are protesting
Verstappen
Article 48.8: "With the exception of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the Line (see Article 5.3) for the first time after the safety car has returned to the pits."
Classification
"If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.
"This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed. Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car.
"Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap."
Indeed Mercedes have launched two protests.
One is against Max Verstappen for 'breach of Article 48.8 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.'
One is against the classification, for 'alleged breach of Article 48.12 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.'
What are Mercedes are protesting
Verstappen
Article 48.8: "With the exception of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the Line (see Article 5.3) for the first time after the safety car has returned to the pits."
Classification
"If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.
"This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed. Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car.
"Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap."
He’d have lost track position when all indications were that the race would finish behind the safety car
Like a missed throw in in the first minute being equaled out through an injury time penalty, yes.
Not really, Lewis was much faster early on so I personally don’t think it would have made any difference and Horner said similar during the race.
No Mercedes didn’t pit him because he would have lost track position. It was before that decision was made by race control.
This. That's what makes this stink so much.
The perfect wum
Masi in his Red Bull team gear would have red flagged it if Hamilton pitted, I bet Mercedes legit thought that as well so didn't want to give up track position.
Max did go ahead of Lewis under the SC too, inches obviously but he shouldn't really be alongside someone like that so again another rule they need to clarify next season.
Max did go ahead of Lewis under the SC too, inches obviously but he shouldn't really be alongside someone like that so again another rule they need to clarify next season.
Yes agree. Hence why Mercedes didnt pit him
To be fair, surely their decision to pit would have been before the radio message anyway.
The didn't do it right away, so it would have been too late to pit anyway
It looked like they would be finishing under SC
What a mess, none of this would have happened had they made the correct decision on lap 1 but I feel like Masi wanted to make it even at the end by giving Red Bull a chance to win at the end.
To be fair I respect that - top WUM
Because Hamilton was consistently faster, by a massive margin, throughout the entire race both on older and slower tyres. Because Verstappen started on softs, he would almost certainly had to pit first, meaning Hamilton could bang more fastest laps in, thereby giving him the undercut when he made his own stop.
I follow F1, football, Gaelic football, Hurling and Rugby. There's moaning about referees in every single one of them, as well as tennis, cricket, NFL and golf. If this isn't sport then nothing is.There was a crash with 5 or 6 laps to go. The race director brought out a safety car to slow everyone down while the crash is cleared. The crash was cleared with about one lap to go. The problem is that there was several lapped cars, including about 5 lapped cars physically between Max and Lewis that couldn't unlap themselves because of the safety car. There was confusion as to whether the lapped cars could unlap themselves (allowing Max to go right behind Lewis) or not (giving Lewis a 5 car barrier). In the end, they decided to let the 5 cars between Max and Lewis unlap themselves but not the others.
Lewis' team and fans think this is robbery because it helped Max and that all of the lapped cars or none of them should have been let through.
Red Bull and Max fans argue that if all of the cars were made to unlap themselves, it would have taken too long and the whole thing would have been decided by a safety car.
None of them do. Totto and Horner are competitors. Same as Ferguson or Pep. They'd do anything to win.
how very true.Yes I know that
Yes I know that
They all clearly know this isn't good for F1.
When even the sky mouthpieces are struggling to raise any kind of enthusiasm, you know what they all truly think.
Forget everything, how anyone can think that’s a just end is just nonsense. As fans of the sport, everyone should not be happy by that. Hamilton has won the race all apart from a string of unlucky moments and questionable decisions. Taking a step back, even if everything was done by the book, Max didn’t deserve this race. The title overall? Sure. But not this way.