Even if you bring in Roy Keane, it’s becoming apparent, that another player churn seems inevitable. We have the talent but the application and mental toughness is sadly just not there. I thought Ole got rid of the mercenaries… sad.
The general attitude of our players
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Think McT could be that player one day but it’s too early. Henderson learned from Gerrard for a couple of seasons. McT is learning from… (fill in the blank).
Maybe Ronaldo is just narcissistic and thinks the team should play for him...
Stropping off down every tunnel in the PL isn't something most players would want on their CVs
And as for Bruno, he's like some angry windmill out of an animated book
Look at what Arteta is doing and Pochettino doing or did. With the latter, get players who are hungry and will not sulk and can adopt a pressing game. With the former, play with what you have If you can not adopt to your preferred gameplan. Play deep and counter when necessary. Ralf has options.
For real, it's Souness level of hatredDidn’t realise Graeme Souness was a member of the Cafe tbh
This is pretty obvious, but the real question is what is the reason underneath? Why?
What we desperately need is a new scapegoat..no Ole, no Pogba and no Martial. Maguire has seemingly a lot of potential
I'm not sure what the expectation is for what Rangnick will do for those 2 years but I feel many here think he'll be the DOF.
Murtough is the DOF. Rangnick is basically a mentor and it's extremely unlikely he'll have any authority or accountability. He'll basically be on a massive retainer to be on speed dial.
All of this "heads will roll" or thoughts that it's a new regime is really wishful thinking. Murtough has been doing this job unofficially for years and will have been involved in signing or renewing contracts for these players.
New manager, same problems. Not a single sign of the fabled high press today. Today was as disjointed as any performance under Ole.
There is an inherent lack of leadership and direction in the club from top to bottom.
There was a point last night where I genuinely stopped for a second and wondered "who is captain tonight?" Which isn't a dig at Maguire it just slipped my mind, we look so devoid of leadership at times, players that just want the ball at any time and drive us forward. Bruno desperately wants to be that kind of player but it's just not happening for him at the moment.
I feel like the squad is still full of bad attitudes and Ole simply pandered to them, being their mate etc. and the attitudes never actually went away.
I feel like the squad is still full of bad attitudes and Ole simply pandered to them, being their mate etc. and the attitudes never actually went away.
Cavani gives me hope. This squad can’t break his spirit. We need ten more of him.
Connecting his of the pitch work with on the pitch performances is just.. Bonkers.
The attitude on the surface looks so much worse this season. Just whinging, moaning and not delivering.
There’s a culture in which the players have been allowed to let down successive managers. They certainly didn’t deliver for his predecessor either in the end, or the one before him for that matter.
Neville not mentioning Maguire for instance shocker.
You can tell we have an unhappy divided dressing room at the moment.
To be fair he says Maguire is Captain but he doesn't feel like it
Some of the looks of frustration of some players towards others are not helpful and does not help moral. When a team is winning, the tension between players tends to dissipate or sit in the back burner. When results are going the wrong way, everything is exacerbated.
Murtough isn’t DoF, he’s got a similar title but it’s different to how a DoF is at other clubs. I do agree though it’s possible RR might just be a name the Glazers wanted to be affiliated with but never planned to use properly though.
I see only one way to change their attitude. Hit them where it will hurt them most - pay cut and additional training sessions for lazy bastards.
I really hope so, as until we get this sorted and have players who want to play for the badge, we are never going to reach any heights.
Going to watch this crowd standing with their hands up in the air every other week is not what we are paying our money to see. If Rangnick is here to sort this out then he needs to get rid of these cry babies.
Think that is very true, look how they behaved with LVG and his homework. A load of know it alls who don't think they have anything to learn any more. That was mainly a different group of players as well. Yes Moyes made a lot of mistakes, but the players he took over were the same, sheer arrogance. Footballers should always be willing to learn. We have to get away from the bling signings, who sign to just promote their profile. I would rather we sign good, even functional players who can be built into a team, once that is done, then they can sprinkle of bit of stardust on them. There are not enough nurturers in this side. I pity any young player who comes in.
Funny enough Ronaldo had to take advice once or he would still be the one trick pony with his stepovers.
Take away DeGea and there is just nothing in terms of effort from this squad.
Massive clearout hopefully starts in January.
Massive clearout hopefully starts in January.
Can't vouch for how precisely accurate this is but it is ridiculous that we have the highest wage bill in the league despite not winning shit for 4 years and nearly a decade without the league. I'm sure that doesn't help us. Players think they have made it just because they play here.
That is precisely it. Too many are happy with bulging bank account than winning trophies.
Can't vouch for how precisely accurate this is but it is ridiculous that we have the highest wage bill in the league despite not winning shit for 4 years and nearly a decade without the league. I'm sure that doesn't help us. Players think they have made it just because they play here.
There's definitely a problem if we have a higher wage bill than Abu Dhabi FC
If we have a group of players that are primarily motivated by money over trophies, then we're screwed really, because they've already achieved what they want.
Can't vouch for how precisely accurate this is but it is ridiculous that we have the highest wage bill in the league despite not winning shit for 4 years and nearly a decade without the league. I'm sure that doesn't help us. Players think they have made it just because they play here.
My biggest problem with football is there's little consequence for failure. They can fail at every turn and still pick up their fat paycheck each week.
Suspect it's why we see a far greater consistency in quality when it comes to individual sports. The money they make is directly linked with performance and progress through each tournament. Wish we had something similar in football where contracts were predominantly based on performance.
They haven't begun spending yet!
That stems from the top of the club, the culture is laid out
We don't know how much goes unreported from bank accounts in the Gulf.
Back to our squad, yeah, something is wrong as hell. I don't know if Rangnick's short term contract makes players less likely to focus on the long term.
It’s all about what “type” of player we have. The type we want and need in our squad is hard working, aggressive with and without the ball, loud on the pitch, shows signs of leadership in adversity, no arm flinging and negative antics with team mates, and then technically good with the ball at feet making right decisions with the next pass or shot. So which players in our current squad tick all those boxes? Well ermmm…….. Cavani possibly (when he rarely plays), Bruno (last season at times but not this season). I’m genuinely stuck for anyone else.
As the board hopefully will be taking his advice on new signings, who goes and who stays and the new manager, they would be wise to buck their ideas up.
The first name you should think of is the captain. Just think of how perfectly Keane fits that criteria, and then compare to our current captain.
The jogging around is what I can't understand. We saw some glimpses against Palace of pressing together as a team and it's just evaporated. There is no excuse for jogging and they're all doing it, I don't fecking get it, even on your worst days you can work hard. I worry that our players are already past that phase of trying to impress the new boss.
I agree, with the caveat that it had been going on before Ole as well.
We should get it straight; those saying 'I blame Ole et al for how poor our attitude is now' are not (at least I hope not) saying 'our attitude under LVG/Jose was top notch and it went to shite under Ole'. We have not worked hard enough as a team for years, but Ole was specifically targeting a reset in 'culture and mentality' as you say, but what we've got is the worst situation in that regard I can recall. We bounced under interim Ole when he brought the likes of Pogba, Martial and Shaw in from the cold and worked to put smiles back on faces after a dreadfully poisonous few months at the tale end of Jose, but when he got the job full time and was able to bring his own players and coaches and had time to instil culture/mentality etc. what we ended up with is a load of shite. It's obvious and RR has all but acknowledged it in public.
Where we go now depends on whether we give RR a chance to gut the club and modernise it, with all that entails. I know I've been reticent in the past about following the crowd and deviating from, dare I say it, 'the United way' and in the back of my mind thought modelling our approach on that of the Red Bull Group was somehow beneath us, but I firmly believe that is what needs to happen now. Bring in the best young coaches, develop good players, use modern footballing methods centred around workrate and technical factors etc. The Red Bull branding and all the rest of it I'd rather not have, obviously, but I'm absolutely done listening to how 'United do things differently' while we slide into absolute obscurity. The ownership is of course the elephant in the room but for now let's back RR to transform the footballing side of this shambles.
Didn't we have the least running squad in the league when Ole took over? Or am I misremembering things
We saw it in odd games under Ole. One half of good football, then either it picked up second half, or died a death in the second half. They always seem lethargic. It almost looks like they go through the motions in training, rather that making sure they are at their optimum fitness. Looks at my abs but absolutely no stamina.
We all agree that Maguire shouldn't be captain, right? We desperately need a leader.
He's here to stay for the foreseeable, so the players should get with the programme or feck off. I couldn't care which players we have to lose at this stage, if you don't buy in you should be out the fecking door.
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