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I'd say there's a more than likely chance we actually fabricated some false positive tests in order to postpone as many games as possible while Salah and Mane are away.
So we fabricated false positive tests, decided not to train yesterday or today and then requested the game be postponed?

There are some truly awful takes on this. Where was this outrage when other clubs were postponing games in the league?
There are loads of teams with positive cases. It’s not arsenals fault that the club didn’t plan appropriately for AFCON.

Those absentees shouldn’t be counted in the numbers.

It wouldn’t have been postponed if they had been here, I think we know that, given you played Chelsea a few days ago. They shouldn’t be counted as absentees now.
 

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I’m not defending anything, merely pointing out that there are obviously reasons to postpone the game. If I thought we got lucky I’d just stay out of this thread and not defend the undefensable.
So regardless of the rules in place, which have apparently been followed, you feel Liverpool simply couldn't play tomorrow?
 

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If they don't have 14 players available, fair enough.

If they do, utter horseshit.
The story is that we have less than 10 first team squad players available as things stand.
 

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The story is that we have less than 10 first team squad players available as things stand.
These were the rules that were outlined...

"no postponements would be permitted where 13 outfield players and one goalkeeper from the squad list were available. Appropriately experienced Under 21s’ must be used to reach that number. Any Under 21 player who has started a first-team match in the current or preceding season will be eligible.

If they can't get to 14 players based on those rules, fair enough.
 

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These were the rules that were outlined...

"no postponements would be permitted where 13 outfield players and one goalkeeper from the squad list were available. Appropriately experienced Under 21s’ must be used to reach that number. Any Under 21 player who has started a first-team match in the current or preceding season will be eligible.

If they can't get to 14 players based on those rules, fair enough.
There's another point about teams not being able to train as well, or if training is unable to go ahead etc.
 

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There's another point about teams not being able to train as well, or if training is unable to go ahead etc.
I can't remember a game getting called off before because a team couldn't have a training session.

Why can't they train? If Liverpool don't have a contingency in place for another place to train, nearly 2 years into a Covid world, someone at the club needs to get the sack.
 

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So regardless of the rules in place, which have apparently been followed, you feel Liverpool simply couldn't play tomorrow?
If we qualify for a postponement, why would we make it difficult on ourselves and try to play anyway? To suit your schedule or please the neutral fans? Feck no, every team acts in their own best interests, as they should. If we didn’t qualify I’d also have said tough luck, find a solution. Rules are there to be followed even if they are (or some people think they are) rubbish or don’t make much sense.

I can't remember a game getting called off before because a team couldn't have a training session.

Why can't they train? If Liverpool don't have a contingency in place for another place to train, nearly 2 years into a Covid world, someone at the club needs to get the sack.
The last thing you want during a Covid outbreak is all the negative players who’ve been in contact with the positive ones in the same place during the few days after the positive tests. It’s not so much not finding an alternative training ground as it is isolation and damage control I think.
 

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I can't remember a game getting called off before because a team couldn't have a training session.

Why can't they train? If Liverpool don't have a contingency in place for another place to train, nearly 2 years into a Covid world, someone at the club needs to get the sack.
This is from earlier today regarding the training ground.


The rules changed after the 5th round apparently to say that if a club is unable to fulfill their obligation to play a fixture due to Covid then the fixture will be postponed. These are the rules currently in place for the competition.
 

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The last thing you want during a Covid outbreak is all the negative players who’ve been in contact with the positive ones in the same place during the few days after the positive tests. It’s not so much not finding an alternative training ground as it is isolation and damage control I think.
I agree with you, that makes sense. Just strange they didn't use that logic for other clubs.
 

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Looks like they've a fair bit more minimizing to do on that front.

As for my thoughts I thought I conveyed pretty clearly in my lasts posts in the other thread but perhaps not it seems. Maybe third time will be the charm, now I'm not really one for bullet point presentations so I'll try a more visual medium this time.


Milner - 35
Henderson - 31
Van Dijk - 30
Matip (30)
Thiago - 30
Salah - 29
Mane - 29
Firminho - 29
Oxlade-Chamberlain - 28
Becker - 28
Fabinho - 27
Robertson - 27

Now most of those players are far from finished but that's 70-80% of their first team at or approaching 30.
Thats a list of players in their peak. The player worth worrying about now is Milner, who plays a bit part anyway. The rest have at least 4 seasons at the top in them.
 

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If we qualify for a postponement, why would we make it difficult on ourselves and try to play anyway? To suit your schedule or please the neutral fans? Feck no, every team acts in their own best interests, as they should. If we didn’t qualify I’d also have said tough luck, find a solution. Rules are there to be followed even if they are (or some people think they are) rubbish or don’t make much sense.
So you agree with me then. Rules don't make sense and Liverpool took advantage.
 

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I still haven't seen any news about additional Liverpool players actually testing positive for Covid.

How do you have an "outbreak" that requires the cancellation of training yesterday and the training ground today without anybody actually testing positive?

If we hear tomorrow that five more players are Covid positive then I will change my tune but right now it seems like they postponed the match with no more than three players with Covid.

I don't buy that there are less than 14 players available because by the rules all the younger fringe players Liverpool has started at least once (in any competition this year or last would count). Just from this years League Cup, that means Gordon, Blair, Koumetio, Williams, Kelleher, Morton, Bradley. I'm sure there are a ton more from other competitions and last year's matches.
 

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If we qualify for a postponement, why would we make it difficult on ourselves and try to play anyway? To suit your schedule or please the neutral fans? Feck no, every team acts in their own best interests, as they should. If we didn’t qualify I’d also have said tough luck, find a solution. Rules are there to be followed even if they are (or some people think they are) rubbish or don’t make much sense.
That's how they think - says it all.
 

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I still haven't seen any news about additional Liverpool players actually testing positive for Covid.

How do you have an "outbreak" that requires the cancellation of training yesterday and the training ground today without anybody actually testing positive?

If we hear tomorrow that five more players are Covid positive then I will change my tune but right now it seems like they postponed the match with no more than three players with Covid.

I don't buy that there are less than 14 players available because by the rules all the younger fringe players Liverpool has started at least once (in any competition this year or last would count). Just from this years League Cup, that means Gordon, Blair, Koumetio, Williams, Kelleher, Morton, Bradley. I'm sure there are a ton more from other competitions and last year's matches.
The unconfirmed number is 17 positive cases in the squad apparently.
 

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The unconfirmed number is 17 positive cases in the squad apparently.
That would be a wild number and certainly more than adequate grounds for postponement!

I just find it odd that they haven't actually come out and clearly said that more players have tested positive. Maybe they want to do a second round of tests to confirm or something and are still awaiting results?
 

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The story is that we have less than 10 first team squad players available as things stand.
first team does not mean shit. We played with all our strikers out and three kids called up. If you don’t see you are getting preferential treatment, then you are wearing rose colored glasses.
 

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first team does not mean shit. We played with all our strikers out and three kids called up. If you don’t see you are getting preferential treatment, then you are wearing rose colored glasses.
Do you think Leeds got preferential treatment when they requested their league game against us on Boxing Day be postponed?
 

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Do you think Leeds got preferential treatment when they requested their league game against us on Boxing Day be postponed?
i don’t know the numbers behind Leeds? I know we requested postponement when we had a lot of injuries and covid and got denied and had to give three youth players their first starts.
You are getting special treatment.
 

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i don’t know the numbers behind Leeds? I know we requested postponement when we had a lot of injuries and covid and got denied and had to give three youth players their first starts.
You are getting special treatment.
I think the EFL rules are clear about the later rounds and Covid/player availability. It's not preferential treatment and if Chelsea had as many cases as we apparently do (and your training ground was closed), you would've been able to postpone today. I think some people hate Liverpool so much that their heads explode when we get something go our way.
 

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My head is not exploding, but the rules are not being applied the same. You are a big club acting like a small club.
 

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first team does not mean shit. We played with all our strikers out and three kids called up. If you don’t see you are getting preferential treatment, then you are wearing rose colored glasses.
I explicitly asked you how we were bending rules or how we were getting preferential treatment yet you simply ignored my question.

Once again: how are we getting preferential treatment when the only thing that is happening here is a club being granted a postponement based on the rules which are equal for all teams and were established beforehand? Very curious to find out!
 

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Why is there such a big thing about this? Didn't man united request postponements and shut their training ground. Don't tell me for a second they didn't have a 2nd team to field. Same with chelsea and arsenal.
Liverpool have had 3 away games in in as many weeks so unsurprising many have caught covid. At least we requested in advance giving everyone sufficient notice
 

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Didn't the fa force villa to field a team of kids under similar circumstances?
The rules set up by the FA/EFL have changed in the last 12 months. They also made us play a youth team in a League Cup tie two years ago against Villa because we were in Qatar doing that World Club Cup thing.
 

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I explicitly asked you how we were bending rules or how we were getting preferential treatment yet you simply ignored my question.

Once again: how are we getting preferential treatment when the only thing that is happening here is a club being granted a postponement based on the rules which are equal for all teams and were established beforehand? Very curious to find out!
Mostly I am poking you with a stick, but if your club is going to whine that they don't have players when they clearly do, that is your deal. Brentford, I understand, they don’t have an academy.
 

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Thats a list of players in their peak. The player worth worrying about now is Milner, who plays a bit part anyway. The rest have at least 4 seasons at the top in them.
Never said different to be fair mate. They could all play another 2, 3 or 4 seasons at a high level who knows. But my original point was unless they start replacing a few most of their first team will all be going over the hill at the same time.
 

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Mostly I am poking you with a stick, but if your club is going to whine that they don't have players when they clearly do, that is your deal. Brentford, I understand, they don’t have an academy.
You're avoiding my question because you don't have an answer, glad we got it out of the way that we didn't get preferential treatment compared to any other club then.

As for having players available or not, that's not the question here because that's not the threshold that needs to be met for postponement. And even then, where are you gonna draw the line? I'm sure there are some U16s available at every team, dying to play a League Cup semi, so should no games be postponed at all in that case?

It's not too late you're just a bit bitter that we were granted a postponement and were making claims based on nothing at all.
 

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Why is there such a big thing about this? Didn't man united request postponements and shut their training ground. Don't tell me for a second they didn't have a 2nd team to field. Same with chelsea and arsenal.
Liverpool have had 3 away games in in as many weeks so unsurprising many have caught covid. At least we requested in advance giving everyone sufficient notice
Because it’s Liverpool, and because arsenal fans have kicked up a stink on social media. On here it’s obviously a bias thing. United fans wouldn’t care a jot if it was any other club.

You’d think we’re the first club to ask for a postponement the way they’re carrying on. It’s also not like we get mane or salah/keita back for this. They also now have second leg home advantage. They’re upset because they wanted a bye against our under twelves.
 

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Mostly I am poking you with a stick, but if your club is going to whine that they don't have players when they clearly do, that is your deal. Brentford, I understand, they don’t have an academy.
This another Chelsea fan jumping on the post about Liverpool bandwagon to points score.

Not that it’s a tangible measurement but we don’t get half the preferential treatment some fans think we do. Every fan has rose tinted glasses for their own club.
 

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I think when Klopp caught covid it was inevitable there would be a big outbreak. I would imagine Klopp covid is highly transmissable and hope for the sake of us all they manage to contain it on Merseyside.
 

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What's happened here then? How many players have COVID? They only played Chelsea the other day and I thought the whole squad was vaccinated so less isolation restrictions from contact.
 

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This another Chelsea fan jumping on the post about Liverpool bandwagon to points score.

Not that it’s a tangible measurement but we don’t get half the preferential treatment some fans think we do. Every fan has rose tinted glasses for their own club.
You clearly have enough players. We started three academy kids to cover injury and covid issues.
 

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If you legit have that many people out, then I have no issues with the game being moved.

Bit suspect it's happened in the two weeks where there's no prem games, your manager has covid and while your main fowards are at AFCON, but probably just a coincidence.

Not sure I massively see the link between Klopp and an outbreak. Klopp has had covid for a week now, and the players tested negative for the Chelsea game whilst Klopp was isolating, so would have had no contact after the Chelsea game.
 

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You clearly have enough players. We started three academy kids to cover injury and covid issues.
Once again: this. does. not. matter. for. postponing. games.

You're getting tiresome (let alone with poor arguments, which is even worse).
 

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Match still being played.

I think that we'll likely play our FA Cup game as well but I'm fairly certain that's to do with EFL restrictions around players you can use in the Carabao Cup vs who you can use in the FA Cup.

I was wondering how long it would take for City to have an outbreak. They'd done well to dodge it for now.
 

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I think that we'll likely play our FA Cup game as well but I'm fairly certain that's to do with EFL restrictions around players you can use in the Carabao Cup vs who you can use in the FA Cup.

I was wondering how long it would take for City to have an outbreak. They'd done well to dodge it for now.
Just in time for their annual visit from peps doctor...