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Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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What do you like exactly? We have loads of people on redcafe who can run a press conference with all you want to hear mate. He's shown nothing so far. Absolutely feck all.
He said post match that we won because we desperately wanted to win, and that there was more intensity. But no pressing.
Zakaria definitely won't bring balance, but that's for another thread.
He's been kind of poor so far. Ole was saying the right things at the start too. Something clearly isn't clicking even if it's still very early.
We need Ten Haag in the summer for a true cultural reset.
We need Ten Haag in the summer for a true cultural reset.
Quicker he gets out of this managerial role the better. He’s pants.
Not listening to you Red Cafe philosophers no more.
Who you all want? Ten Haag? I don’t want him.
Not listening to you Red Cafe philosophers no more.
Who you all want? Ten Haag? I don’t want him.
I don't know if you're agreeing with me or not.
I'm not expecting him to win the Premier League. I am, however, expecting him to stick to his guns and play the football he wants to play. He's going to be out by summer. What does he risk by sticking to his principles? Okay, we might not win many games. We don't look like winning that many playing as we are. So why not try something different?
Why not be brave, say 4-2-2-2 is my system and if you don't want to play it I'll pick players like Elanga who will at least show a little sweat on the pitch? Why keep indulging our stars, only to see them serve up s-t week after week.
All week long we've been reading in the papers than 4-2-2-2 doesn't work, the players had to google him to know who he is, blah, blah, blah. Rangnick gives in and plays 4-2-3-1. Did we look better? On another night Villa would've won, easily. It was just as bad, if not worse, than some of the jammy wins we were getting early on in the season.
If Rangnick is just going to do a bad impression of Ole, why did we hire him? God knows, Ole knows these tactics and this system a lot better than Rangnick does.
Being realistic, we have a very slim chance of winning anything this season. So why not go for broke, try 4-2-2-2 with a high press and see what happens? The likely end result isn't likely to be much different from where we're headed. However, it might at least be entertaining.
The first half against Palace is the most I've enjoyed watching United all season. At least that day there was an idea about our play. Since then we've been as shocking as at any time under Ole this season. The more pragmatically Rangnick approaches things the more mediocre we look. I'm disappointed to see him so meekly accept the limitations of what his senior players seem willing to do and bend to accommodate them.
I did but you seem to be intentionally missing out the decent to good Ole performances between those games. We had good wins vs Spurs and Atalanta in between the terrible Liverpool and Leicester games.
RR has been shite in all games bar 30mins vs Palace.
Have you just learnt the term recency bias?
He messed up the summer recruitment and paid the price, fairly so. But the upheaval midway though the season has left us in a big mess.
What is this squad suited too? The poor players in our team will let us down no matter who is in charge.
Needs to do what Moyes didn’t do and sell some so called characters ASAP. Would happily sell Maguire and AWB and bring in replacements in Jan.
We could hire prime Alex Ferguson and I think it makes no difference, these players are the pits in attitude and self entitlement
They are unsellable, the club wouldn't take the financial asset loss and the players wouldn't take the paycut.
Do you think they are this bad? Do you really believe all the premier league teams have better players in every position than us? The players are fine talent wise, of course some positions could be improved upon, but the problem is motivation and morale and a common goal. Then you implement tactics and what not.
Realistically, how likely is it that the next permanent manager is going to play this 4222 formation? I’d say pretty low. Would we not be better spent transitioning from 4231 to 433? That would give the next manager a lot more tactical flexibility to work with.
You’re really picking out that Atalanta horror show, which only a Ronaldo super strike kept us in the CL as an example of a good game under Ole? Wow
That game was every bit as crap as tonight, without a win and without needing a touch of genius in the last minute to keep us in the competition.
Ole had 17 games, give RR 17 and I’m sure we’ll also have a couple more games to pull out as “good” examples if the bar is set that low.
True, but if you look at the amount of space we leave, I could easily see Liverpool or City beating us 5-0. I am very worried about Ralf. He speaks complete sense during the press conferences. He analyses the games perfectly but then come game time all of that goes out the window. If we play like that vs Villa on Saturday, they will beat us, simple.
Yep I thought that about Spurs. Then they got Conte.
Citing that Spurs game is embarrassing.
They were probably the worst team we played all season.
What formation did we play I thought it was 4231?
I agree, like I said I don't think we look much better than we did under Ole, it's all very similar and I also agree we're getting pumped on Saturday.
I'm just saying no way did we look better under Ole. It shouldn't be forgotten just how bad the last 2 months under Ole were.
Yes, we are still shit. Not "worse than Ole". Just the same awful performance but not worse than getting hammered 4-1 by relegation fodder.
I'm not defending Ralf. He has been an underwhelming appointment so far and I see no tactical work applied on the pitch. The criticism for him is valid imo. That's not what I was replying to.
It was.
Purely based on this quote I can tell you that RR will fail here as an interim.
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Probably 0 unless SAF comes back. I think RR is starting to see that and will try or already trying to fix it.
His pure 4 - 2 - 2 - 2 system with this squad on display shows more like what formations should not be play stuff.
He should big him up but then talk about what he needs to do better, like not hiding from the ball.
Another manager pretty much playing 4-2-4 when we're clearly being outplayed in midfield. Why do both of these managers allow our midfield to get outplayed and outnumbered every match? It took until 72 minutes to remove a forward and put another midfielder on.
Why are people sying he isnt the answer when that is already known as he is the interim manager?
I have liked what he has had to say so far, is obviously an intelligent football man. People have been talking about Ole and his lack of tactical acumen and the awful coaching set up....now thats changed, the results are a bit better but the performances arent....its been a month.
The common theme for me is the actual players though. Our supposed talented players and best players, bar DeGea have been invidicually poor for some time now, Fernandes more than any for me, yet he is strangely escaping criticism. That is a major problem for me when there is a genuine lack of quality in several areas around them. Dalot cant defend, Bissaka cant attack, Shaws positioning is poor, Lindelof is weak, Fred cant pass and is bypassed easily and out strengthed, McTominay had a good game and even then coutnless times he gave the ball away under pressure too.
When you see the apparent attitude of several players as well, its telling. We have lauded over the attitude and effort of Cavani and Fernandes.....virtually every player should be showign that desire.
The interview qith Ragnick prematch was telling. He pretty much said we have a big squad and hsi job being interim is to work with the current group of players, when asked if he had the right players to win trophies he pretty much avoided the question. He knows the quality is missing, I just hope when he moves upstrairs he is able to advise on the players should move on and positions to be upgraded. As changes need to be made, this side isnt good enough to win trophies whoever is in charge, thats the biggest problem
I have liked what he has had to say so far, is obviously an intelligent football man. People have been talking about Ole and his lack of tactical acumen and the awful coaching set up....now thats changed, the results are a bit better but the performances arent....its been a month.
The common theme for me is the actual players though. Our supposed talented players and best players, bar DeGea have been invidicually poor for some time now, Fernandes more than any for me, yet he is strangely escaping criticism. That is a major problem for me when there is a genuine lack of quality in several areas around them. Dalot cant defend, Bissaka cant attack, Shaws positioning is poor, Lindelof is weak, Fred cant pass and is bypassed easily and out strengthed, McTominay had a good game and even then coutnless times he gave the ball away under pressure too.
When you see the apparent attitude of several players as well, its telling. We have lauded over the attitude and effort of Cavani and Fernandes.....virtually every player should be showign that desire.
The interview qith Ragnick prematch was telling. He pretty much said we have a big squad and hsi job being interim is to work with the current group of players, when asked if he had the right players to win trophies he pretty much avoided the question. He knows the quality is missing, I just hope when he moves upstrairs he is able to advise on the players should move on and positions to be upgraded. As changes need to be made, this side isnt good enough to win trophies whoever is in charge, thats the biggest problem
I agree with this, which is why I think Rangnick should just go with what he knows and plays the players willing to go with it.
Giving in and going 4-2-3-1, with no press, no compactness, as we did tonight, is basically autopilot. May as well sack it off right now. Ain't winning anything this season like this. Not even qualifying for the Champions League, maybe not even the Europa League (could be the Conference League).
The problem is you cant look forward to watch any player in this current team tells the story. Yes manager can change upto certain extent like what Conte doing at spurs or what Ole done when he statrted
But i think the problem is this squad is not capable of playing for themselves or for the team or for the fans. They talk like they want to improve and come back stronger but every time they fail to perform
May be there is no quality
But i think the problem is this squad is not capable of playing for themselves or for the team or for the fans. They talk like they want to improve and come back stronger but every time they fail to perform
May be there is no quality
I think conte would do better with the same set of players, because we are a counter attacking team. But its short term gain.
In the long term we have to back Rangnick if we want to see a change in how we play. It took Klopp two years and guardiola won nothing in his first year.
Having said that it is worrying the lack of application. Only the palace game was something close. But i think that is because of the lack of technical ability of the players signed by the previous counter attacking managers.
You can only compare him with Ole if we get to Oct 2025...this our price for being too sentimental and keeping someone at the helm far too long.
I don't understand why people are still complaining as if they expected to see us putting teams to the sword by now - let Ragnick do what he needs to which is take all this crap and do the hard part of essentially going through our squad with a pair or pruners and trimming the feck out of it whilst putting a basic press in place.
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wondering if this formation works for few weeks atleast ?
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wondering if this formation works for few weeks atleast ?
Hard to Blame Ralf when your top players just aren't performing and on shitty form....marcus, greenwood, maguire, ronaldo, bruno
Personally i hope Ralf benches a few of them and gives the kids/reserves a chance like he did tonight with Elanga and Donny as they were better than anyone in the first XI when they came on
Personally i hope Ralf benches a few of them and gives the kids/reserves a chance like he did tonight with Elanga and Donny as they were better than anyone in the first XI when they came on
I reckon when he came he underestimated where this team was mentally. It’s low on confidence and lacking in any collective spirit. The players don’t look like they want to play for each other, never mind the manager. The only times we have looked semi functional as a team have been when the team has received external boosts (Varane signing before Leeds, Ronaldo debut vs Newcastle, playing Arsenal, first 45 mins of Rangnick’s first game).
You can do as much tactical work as you want, until this team can collectively engage and apply itself with belief and purpose it’s all moot. Cultivating team spirit in the middle of a season is very, very hard especially when stuck with players who you don’t want or want out in general. I’m sure the fearlessness of youth players will help in the short term but I worry about how United develop young players long term and I feel it’s probably better if the likes of Hannibal steer clear until we appoint a full time manager.
You can do as much tactical work as you want, until this team can collectively engage and apply itself with belief and purpose it’s all moot. Cultivating team spirit in the middle of a season is very, very hard especially when stuck with players who you don’t want or want out in general. I’m sure the fearlessness of youth players will help in the short term but I worry about how United develop young players long term and I feel it’s probably better if the likes of Hannibal steer clear until we appoint a full time manager.
I agree but the manager should always be judged on how he manages regardless of the tools. Klopp and Pep implemented their style from the start. The players just got better with time.
I can’t see anything worth holding onto with Ralph. I mean absolutely nothing. It’s like a btec recreation of what we had with Ole. Also I don’t believe in long term. It doesn’t exist.
I’m underwhelmed so far. We knew he had a massive job and can’t expect huge change overnight but I thought he’d at least pick the lads up and get the running levels up. No sign of anything like that right now.
The players can't be arsed to even try and play the way he wants to.
Hopefully he can help us progress during his consultancy because unfortunately we're not going to see it over these few months in charge.
Hopefully he can help us progress during his consultancy because unfortunately we're not going to see it over these few months in charge.
I’m disappointed so far, there’s no new manager bounce.
The dressing room seems to toxic that he can’t get them to do what he wants.
The dressing room seems to toxic that he can’t get them to do what he wants.
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