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Thinks you can get an STD from flirting.
And you're posting laughing emojis at others.Top 5. There is more to being the greatest than just goals and trophies.
And you're posting laughing emojis at others.Top 5. There is more to being the greatest than just goals and trophies.
Not quite sure if this is a parody or not…It wouldn't surprise me if that tantrum was deliberately planned beforehand with Rangnick... a way to broadcast to the world (and the rest of the squad) what it's supposed to mean to have a Manchester United mentality.
This is the sort of attitude I want to see from all of our dressing room leaders. Like the coolest kid in your class, he's the one who sets the tone. Pogba was the last big presence who ruled over our squad. But you never would have seen this kind of single minded passion from him. And more's the pity.
The cultural reset we need is exactly what Ronaldo showed on Saturday. We lost it under LvG when he sold the likes of Rafael, Evra, Vidic, Rio, RvP etc. and bought the likes of AdM, Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Martial etc. Jose began to claw it back, but fecked up the squad's age profile in the process. Ole brought in a better blend of ages, but lost the players' trust before he could see it through. Hopefully Rangnick can pick up the baton now and run with it.
It's not always about building a squad of talented players. You also need the right personalities. Ronaldo has that in spades. It's the manager's job now to set that as the standard.
That’s the thing. He’s a remarkable specimen but when the end comes it will come quickly. He’s never been the sort of cerebral footballer who can adapt his game when his athleticism fades. His game has always been 100% reliant on physicality. So it was inevitable his decline would be rapid when it finally arrived. And it’s hardly a massive surprise for a footballer to decline, physically, at age 37. In fact, it was utterly predictable. And it’s happening right in front of us. Right now.That game against West Ham, I thought he very looked spry bar 1 moment.
He looked good vs Nuno's Spurs too(not saying much).
Since then, he has very much looked and played like a 36 year old in the Prem.
His physical decline is even more evident this season than before.
Stopped reading after the first sentence, too silly even for a parody.Not quite sure if this is a parody or not…
This is fantasy. I'd like to think it's a parody but you're deadly serious aren't you?It wouldn't surprise me if that tantrum was deliberately planned beforehand with Rangnick... a way to broadcast to the world (and the rest of the squad) what it's supposed to mean to have a Manchester United mentality.
This is the sort of attitude I want to see from all of our dressing room leaders. Like the coolest kid in your class, he's the one who sets the tone. Pogba was the last big presence who ruled over our squad. But you never would have seen this kind of single minded passion from him. And more's the pity.
The cultural reset we need is exactly what Ronaldo showed on Saturday. We lost it under LvG when he sold the likes of Rafael, Evra, Vidic, Rio, RvP etc. and bought the likes of AdM, Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Martial etc. Jose began to claw it back, but fecked up the squad's age profile in the process. Ole brought in a better blend of ages, but lost the players' trust before he could see it through. Hopefully Rangnick can pick up the baton now and run with it.
It's not always about building a squad of talented players. You also need the right personalities. Ronaldo has that in spades. It's the manager's job now to set that as the standard.
Wow.It wouldn't surprise me if that tantrum was deliberately planned beforehand with Rangnick... a way to broadcast to the world (and the rest of the squad) what it's supposed to mean to have a Manchester United mentality.
This is the sort of attitude I want to see from all of our dressing room leaders. Like the coolest kid in your class, he's the one who sets the tone. Pogba was the last big presence who ruled over our squad. But you never would have seen this kind of single minded passion from him. And more's the pity.
The cultural reset we need is exactly what Ronaldo showed on Saturday. We lost it under LvG when he sold the likes of Rafael, Evra, Vidic, Rio, RvP etc. and bought the likes of AdM, Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Martial etc. Jose began to claw it back, but fecked up the squad's age profile in the process. Ole brought in a better blend of ages, but lost the players' trust before he could see it through. Hopefully Rangnick can pick up the baton now and run with it.
It's not always about building a squad of talented players. You also need the right personalities. Ronaldo has that in spades. It's the manager's job now to set that as the standard.
Oh sweet lord.It wouldn't surprise me if that tantrum was deliberately planned beforehand with Rangnick... a way to broadcast to the world (and the rest of the squad) what it's supposed to mean to have a Manchester United mentality.
This is the sort of attitude I want to see from all of our dressing room leaders. Like the coolest kid in your class, he's the one who sets the tone. Pogba was the last big presence who ruled over our squad. But you never would have seen this kind of single minded passion from him. And more's the pity.
The cultural reset we need is exactly what Ronaldo showed on Saturday. We lost it under LvG when he sold the likes of Rafael, Evra, Vidic, Rio, RvP etc. and bought the likes of AdM, Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Martial etc. Jose began to claw it back, but fecked up the squad's age profile in the process. Ole brought in a better blend of ages, but lost the players' trust before he could see it through. Hopefully Rangnick can pick up the baton now and run with it.
It's not always about building a squad of talented players. You also need the right personalities. Ronaldo has that in spades. It's the manager's job now to set that as the standard.
This is just an excuse. Everyone knows Ronaldo is a drama queen and he wanted to make sure his reaction was noticedI didn't like his reaction in so much as I didn't go "hell yea, throw a hissy fit and show that desire!" but at the same time you can see 90% of people here are armchair fans that have never seen an actual match. This sort of thing happens all of the time, you just don't see it on the TV because the camera isn't fixated on the bench, if it was Lindelof kicking off then you'd never have seen it. You only see this because it's Ronaldo & all eyes are on him.
It's reality. Go to a game once in a while.This is just an excuse. Everyone knows Ronaldo is a drama queen and he wanted to make sure his reaction was noticed
This is wrong and underestimates how well he reads the game. That chest pass alone should be telling enough that he can definitely link up play for goals even now.That’s the thing. He’s a remarkable specimen but when the end comes it will come quickly. He’s never been the sort of cerebral footballer who can adapt his game when his athleticism fades. His game has always been 100% reliant on physicality. So it was inevitable his decline would be rapid when it finally arrived. And it’s hardly a massive surprise for a footballer to decline, physically, at age 37. In fact, it was utterly predictable. And it’s happening right in front of us. Right now.
The really worrying bit now is how he’s going to take the consequences of this decline. Less game time and struggling to make an impact when he does get the minutes he thinks he deserves. Judging on what we saw the other night (as well as previous lucky escapes from red cards) the answer is “very badly”
I think most agree he's had poor games, I just don't wanna be quick enough to write it off as "this is the end". I want to believe it's a bad patch due to some hip issues.I know its a game of opinions but I struggle to believe that some people think he's actually playing well. He looks so bad out there atm, the chest pass was probably the only thing he did right in an attacking sense yesterday. Not only does he struggle to make an impact to our general play, he's so easy for defenders to mark out of the game. His speed, strength and agility have all gone it actually makes me sad to watch because that is Ronaldo, you don't want to see him so ineffective.
Earlier in the season he seemed to still be able to gain a yard on his man or get himself into decent scoring positions, now he just looks like he's doing cardio on the pitch.
His being injured for a final was claimed to be some great performance so I'm not surprised a hissy tantrum is built up as something special.Not quite sure if this is a parody or not…
Pretty much. Time is undefeated.That’s the thing. He’s a remarkable specimen but when the end comes it will come quickly. He’s never been the sort of cerebral footballer who can adapt his game when his athleticism fades. His game has always been 100% reliant on physicality. So it was inevitable his decline would be rapid when it finally arrived. And it’s hardly a massive surprise for a footballer to decline, physically, at age 37. In fact, it was utterly predictable. And it’s happening right in front of us. Right now.
The really worrying bit now is how he’s going to take the consequences of this decline. Less game time and struggling to make an impact when he does get the minutes he thinks he deserves. Judging on what we saw the other night (as well as previous lucky escapes from red cards) the answer is “very badly”
Assumptions get you nowhereIt's reality. Go to a game once in a while.
Write Ronaldo off at your own peril.In fact, it was utterly predictable. And it’s happening right in front of us. Right now.
Agreed. With his current declining rate I'm fearful to think we're supposed to have him leading our attack the next 18 months. Hope Ralf doesn't think the same.I know its a game of opinions but I struggle to believe that some people think he's actually playing well. He looks so bad out there atm, the chest pass was probably the only thing he did right in an attacking sense yesterday. Not only does he struggle to make an impact to our general play, he's so easy for defenders to mark out of the game. His speed, strength and agility have all gone it actually makes me sad to watch because that is Ronaldo, you don't want to see him so ineffective.
Earlier in the season he seemed to still be able to gain a yard on his man or get himself into decent scoring positions, now he just looks like he's doing cardio on the pitch.
There’s an amazing **** around Ronaldo with some people where he’s the base point of God and everyone else is at fault/wrong at all times. It’s going to be a difficult few years for these people as his decline becomes sharper and more in focus.This is fantasy. I'd like to think it's a parody but you're deadly serious aren't you?
This is fantasy. I'd like to think it's a parody but you're deadly serious aren't you?
The thing is. If Ronaldo is showing amazing passion/mentality by throwing a tantrum by being subbed, do they want all the others players to follow in his example since he's apparently a great leader and all that? I mean he was subbed against Brentford, not a major final.There’s an amazing **** around Ronaldo with some people where he’s the base point of God and everyone else is at fault/wrong at all times. It’s going to be a difficult few years for these people as his decline becomes sharper and more in focus.
CR has probably been a culture shock for a lot of players at the club. A player is always 100% committed to his job and doesn't accept anything else from his colleagues will cause people, who got too comfortable in their position, to get annoyed if they get put someone like Ronaldo in front of them who demands from everyone to meat his standards.
But he's actually not very good on the pitch anymore. I'm sure some players are awed by having one the greatest of all time to play and train with them, but on the pitch he's declined so much that he's a shadow of that player.CR has probably been a culture shock for a lot of players at the club. A player is always 100% committed to his job and doesn't accept anything else from his colleagues will cause people, who got too comfortable in their position, to get annoyed if they get put someone like Ronaldo in front of them who demands from everyone to meat his standards.
I'm far from a Ronaldo fan, I don't like the way he acts in public, and I haven't forgiven him for leaving us for Real, and especially not the manner in which he and his agent behaved back then.
But there is one thing I would never question, it's his commitment to his job and the fact his attitude towards his job is something a lot of our current players are sorely missing. So yeah if they have a problem with Ronaldo not being all buddy-buddy with them and demanding everyone to give no less than 100% in training and on the pitch, it's them who need a wake-up call and not Ronaldo.
Those two tweets are this thread argument in a nutshell.
I don't actually think he is that much worse. It's the way he would have always looked if the service had been as bad at other clubs than it is at ours.But he's actually not very good on the pitch anymore. I'm sure some players are awed by having one the greatest of all time to play and train with them, but on the pitch he's declined so much that he's a shadow of that player.
TBF I think comparing Seria A and the PL is a bit different. But those are still great numbers for Zlatan.Someone in here asked for a comparison between Ronaldo and Zlatan this season.
Here's their numbers so far this season in their leagues:
Goalscoring + finishing:
Ronaldo (36y): 0,39 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,56 npxG90 - underperforming by 30%
Zlatan (40y): 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,67 npxG90 - overperforming by 22%
Honorable mentions:
(Bruno (27y): 0,38 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,18 npxG90 - overperforming by 111%)
(Haaland (21y): 1,0 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,68 npxG90 - overperforming by 47%)
(Lewa (33y): 1,1 non penalty goals per 90 / 1,16 npxG90 - underperforming by 5%)
(Benzema (34y): 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,53 npxG90 - overperforming by 55%)
Actual goalthreat per 90 minutes (npg90+xA):
Ronaldo: 0,39 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,11 expected assists per 90 - 0,5 npg90+xA90
Zlatan: 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,17 expected assists per 90 - 0,99 npg90+xA90
(Bruno: 0,38 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,30 expected assists per 90 - 0,68 npg90+xA90)
(Haaland: 1,0 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,29 expected assists per 90 - 1,29 npg90+xA90)
(Lewa: 1,1 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,20 expected assists per 90 - 1,30 npg90+xA90)
(Benzema: 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,24 expected assists per 90 - 1,06 npg90+xA90)
So far this season 40 year old Zlatan has offered double the goalthreat per 90 minutes 36 year old Ronaldo has. His finishing is a lot better and he offers more creativity and directness in his play. Bruno also offer more goalthreat from his offensive midfield position than Ronaldo.
Compared to other old top strikers and the hottest of the new generation his numbers looks, well, judge for yourselves.
Pressing and intercepting:
Ronaldo: 6,39 pressings per 90 / 1,87 successful pressings per 90 / 2,84 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,19 interceptions per 90
Zlatan: 9,08 pressings per 90 / 3,47 successful pressings per 90 / 6,33 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,61 interceptions per 90
(Bruno: 17,04 pressings per 90 / 4,84 successful pressings per 90 / 5,11 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 1,13 interceptions per 90)
(Haaland: 12,42 pressings per 90 / 3,67 successful pressings per 90 / 8,42 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,33 interceptions per 90)
(Lewa: 8,73 pressings per 90 / 2,98 successful pressings per 90 / 5,69 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,33 interceptions per 90)
(Benzema: 9,23 pressings per 90 / 2,30 successful pressings per 90 / 5,30 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,27 interceptions per 90)
This is painfull reading. The 40 year old puts in more than double shifts for pressing in the attacking 3rd compared to our man....
To be honest Lewa, Benzema and Zlatan presses well below average for forwards today.
Ronaldo's defensive contribution this season is shocking, nothing less.
Should we try to gel in the different constellations of Sancho/Rashford/Greenwood/Elanga/Diallo and let Ronaldo and Cavani chip in now and then?
...or should we invest time in trying to get the soon to be 37 year old back in scoring form?
The five youngsters puts in 2x + pressingnumbers btw.
That's not really how psychology works though, if you have a difficult personality in any workplace, it can inhibit certain people, the players are human. I don't question Ronaldo's commitment to being the best he can possibly be. I would question his ability to bring other people along with him.CR has probably been a culture shock for a lot of players at the club. A player is always 100% committed to his job and doesn't accept anything else from his colleagues will cause people, who got too comfortable in their position, to get annoyed if they get put someone like Ronaldo in front of them who demands from everyone to meat his standards.
I'm far from a Ronaldo fan, I don't like the way he acts in public, and I haven't forgiven him for leaving us for Real, and especially not the manner in which he and his agent behaved back then.
But there is one thing I would never question, it's his commitment to his job and the fact his attitude towards his job is something a lot of our current players are sorely missing. So yeah if they have a problem with Ronaldo not being all buddy-buddy with them and demanding everyone to give no less than 100% in training and on the pitch, it's them who need a wake-up call and not Ronaldo.
A lot of his technical abilities have gone to shit. First touch, hold up play, beating a man etc. When I played football, I could still have good games when the team was shit. I could tackle as well, dribble as well, pass as well etc. But I guess sunday league football can't be compared. I'm just saying even when the team is shit, you could still do the best you can do.I don't actually think he is that much worse. It's the way he would have always looked if the service had been as bad at other clubs than it is at ours.
Makes for some dire reading again, especially because he offers absolutely nothing in terms of overall play. If he's underperforming in terms finishing by this extent, then it's hard to see how he can be described as anything other a hard net negative.Someone in here asked for a comparison between Ronaldo and Zlatan this season.
Here's their numbers so far this season in their leagues:
Goalscoring + finishing:
Ronaldo (36y): 0,39 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,56 npxG90 - underperforming by 30%
Zlatan (40y): 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,67 npxG90 - overperforming by 22%
Honorable mentions:
(Bruno (27y): 0,38 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,18 npxG90 - overperforming by 111%)
(Haaland (21y): 1,0 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,68 npxG90 - overperforming by 47%)
(Lewa (33y): 1,1 non penalty goals per 90 / 1,16 npxG90 - underperforming by 5%)
(Benzema (34y): 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,53 npxG90 - overperforming by 55%)
Actual goalthreat per 90 minutes (npg90+xA):
Ronaldo: 0,39 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,11 expected assists per 90 - 0,5 npg90+xA90
Zlatan: 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,17 expected assists per 90 - 0,99 npg90+xA90
(Bruno: 0,38 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,30 expected assists per 90 - 0,68 npg90+xA90)
(Haaland: 1,0 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,29 expected assists per 90 - 1,29 npg90+xA90)
(Lewa: 1,1 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,20 expected assists per 90 - 1,30 npg90+xA90)
(Benzema: 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,24 expected assists per 90 - 1,06 npg90+xA90)
So far this season 40 year old Zlatan has offered double the goalthreat per 90 minutes 36 year old Ronaldo has. His finishing is a lot better and he offers more creativity and directness in his play. Bruno also offer more goalthreat from his offensive midfield position than Ronaldo.
Compared to other old top strikers and the hottest of the new generation his numbers looks, well, judge for yourselves.
Pressing and intercepting:
Ronaldo: 6,39 pressings per 90 / 1,87 successful pressings per 90 / 2,84 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,19 interceptions per 90
Zlatan: 9,08 pressings per 90 / 3,47 successful pressings per 90 / 6,33 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,61 interceptions per 90
(Bruno: 17,04 pressings per 90 / 4,84 successful pressings per 90 / 5,11 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 1,13 interceptions per 90)
(Haaland: 12,42 pressings per 90 / 3,67 successful pressings per 90 / 8,42 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,33 interceptions per 90)
(Lewa: 8,73 pressings per 90 / 2,98 successful pressings per 90 / 5,69 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,33 interceptions per 90)
(Benzema: 9,23 pressings per 90 / 2,30 successful pressings per 90 / 5,30 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,27 interceptions per 90)
This is painfull reading. The 40 year old puts in more than double shifts for pressing in the attacking 3rd compared to our man....
To be honest Lewa, Benzema and Zlatan presses well below average for forwards today.
Ronaldo's defensive contribution this season is shocking, nothing less.
Should we try to gel in the different constellations of Sancho/Rashford/Greenwood/Elanga/Diallo and let Ronaldo and Cavani chip in now and then?
...or should we invest time in trying to get the soon to be 37 year old back in scoring form?
The five youngsters puts in 2x + pressingnumbers btw.
I mean, I wouldn’t say he was in the top two players with the name Ronaldo. As much as he has done stats wise (which is unarguably over a career very impressive) with goals he’s rarely produced magic out of nothing. That’s what the greatest of all time do as their bread and butter.He’s either the greatest of all time or the second greatest of all time. Doesn’t make any difference to the argument.
If you think he’s not “cerebral” then you definitely don’t know football. And that should be that.That’s the thing. He’s a remarkable specimen but when the end comes it will come quickly. He’s never been the sort of cerebral footballer who can adapt his game when his athleticism fades. His game has always been 100% reliant on physicality. So it was inevitable his decline would be rapid when it finally arrived. And it’s hardly a massive surprise for a footballer to decline, physically, at age 37. In fact, it was utterly predictable. And it’s happening right in front of us. Right now.
The really worrying bit now is how he’s going to take the consequences of this decline. Less game time and struggling to make an impact when he does get the minutes he thinks he deserves. Judging on what we saw the other night (as well as previous lucky escapes from red cards) the answer is “very badly”
The moral of the story: Zlatan is a freak of nature, even more so than Ronaldo.TBF I think comparing Seria A and the PL is a bit different. But those are still great numbers for Zlatan.