crossy1686
career ending
We’ll do exactly the same with MartialThis
Keeping them too long without using them till their value is zero or you have to pay to get rid of them
Typical United
We’ll do exactly the same with MartialThis
Keeping them too long without using them till their value is zero or you have to pay to get rid of them
Typical United
Moyes said it himself.Never bought the "he stayed because he was promised games" nonsense. Reckon that was PR guff planted with journalists by Lingards people.
Jesse will have known full well he wasn't getting many games going into this season. Even now under a new manager and not getting many minutes he still doesn't seem too keen to leave.
Well it didn't turn out well when West ham puller out altogether did it?That's normal tactics if you are trying to sell the player at a decent price. You are never going to say, ''yeah, Jesse isn't part of our plans and we really want to sell him.''
Look at the big picture and not just some throwaway line.
Ive seen this sort of thing being said many times on here. However there's an obvious problem with what you're saying. We are terrible at selling players, have been for years, therefore whatever strategy we're using isn't working for us. Not only that but the people negotiating with us aren't idiots, they know full well that Lingard isn't part of our plans; he never plays!That's normal tactics if you are trying to sell the player at a decent price. You are never going to say, ''yeah, Jesse isn't part of our plans and we really want to sell him.''
Look at the big picture and not just some throwaway line.
I thought lingard wanted to wait until the end of the season and get a great big signing on fee, but now he wants to go and play on loan.
If it was just him I'd agree.I can't wait for him to leave the club, so we don't have to hear about this anymore.
Of course, but it makes sense for the club to keep him just in case if a loan fee isn't deemed enough. It's not disrespecting him.I've never been a big fan of Jesse and always saw him as a back up player rather than starting 11. At the same time I've never disliked him as such as he is a local lad that can be useful.
But in this situation I can sort of understand his stance, if reports are to be believed. He went through a bad patch.nbwas told he had a part to play which didn't Materialise. He went on loan to WHU. They wanted him but was told he couldn't go. Didn't get game time so wants to leave.
He is on decent money with potentially one big contract left in him. He can go on loan now and play and get a signing on fee for said possible one last big contract or sign on for lower money and get paid less.
No brainer for me. Go on loan to get game time and wait for contract to finish and potentially get a limp sum as a signing on fee. Makes sense
I agree with this.Never bought the "he stayed because he was promised games" nonsense. Reckon that was PR guff planted with journalists by Lingards people.
Jesse will have known full well he wasn't getting many games going into this season. Even now under a new manager and not getting many minutes he still doesn't seem too keen to leave.
If there has been mismanagement it isn't the individual players fault and they have no obligation to do themselves harm.We've got a squad of overpaid. lazy and overrated players most of whom are nowhere near to top club level. If United is guilty of anything its about not being ruthless enough.
Fair enough and I agree, however the same apply from club to player. This United DNA, United through and through and they understand the club BS needs to stop. 99% of players (former or non) are in it for the money, nothing else. Now since we're one of the highest paying clubs then we should expect only the very best for our club.If there has been mismanagement it isn't the individual players fault and they have no obligation to do themselves harm.
When we extend contract it isn't to be nice. It is to provide cover or increase/protect resale value.
It's not a contradiction. Players are not either in it for the money or passionate playing for the club. They, arguably by default, are both.Fair enough and I agree, however the same apply from club to player. This United DNA, United through and through and they understand the club BS needs to stop. 99% of players (former or non) are in it for the money, nothing else. Now since we're one of the highest paying clubs then we should expect only the very best for our club.
Juan Mata says helloIf there has been mismanagement it isn't the individual players fault and they have no obligation to do themselves harm.
When we extend contract it isn't to be nice. It is to provide cover or increase/protect resale value.
Moyes is lying, just like VDB and his agentMoyes said it himself.
"Ole [Gunnar Solskjaer] made it clear to me quite early in the transfer window that he wanted to keep him.
"So I knew pretty early in the transfer window that he was staying at Manchester United. I had a private conversation with Ole who made it clear that he was staying."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...n-united-transfers-jesse-lingard-21597631.amp
See how you behave if your office tells you to serve a 12 month notice period but they won't involve you in any tasks and you're just to sit there the entire time. This is a problem of our own making and now it's clear he is going to leave I don't see why he wouldn't make his agenda about him.People are getting tired of the leaks and certain players doing everything within their power to make everything about them when United are trying to win games and turn things around.
United overpriced him. It is literally why no other club came in for him. £25-30m was the fee. Ole probably thought he'd be useful to have hanging around.That's normal tactics if you are trying to sell the player at a decent price. You are never going to say, ''yeah, Jesse isn't part of our plans and we really want to sell him.''
Look at the big picture and not just some throwaway line.
You can love the club but you have a limited life as a footballer and sacrificing for some vague concept of loving the club, especially when owned by financial vampires like the Glazers is a ludicrous concept.Fair enough and I agree, however the same apply from club to player. This United DNA, United through and through and they understand the club BS needs to stop. 99% of players (former or non) are in it for the money, nothing else. Now since we're one of the highest paying clubs then we should expect only the very best for our club.
The club extended his contract for them, not some personal favour.Juan Mata says hello
Think most can understand why Jesse is seeing his contract out, might not agree, but we can see it. We took a big risk keeping him last summer, I would have just sold him then. However our end of the risk if nearly over. The risk is now all on Jesse's side and if he can get that big contract and that he can start performing well, otherwise he might find himself needing a new club again and he won't have the misguided loyalty from the club he has been with since a kid behind him.You can love the club but you have a limited life as a footballer and sacrificing for some vague concept of loving the club, especially when owned by financial vampires like the Glazers is a ludicrous concept.
Have you ever been made redundant from a position of high authority? You get paid leave for 3 months or more as long as you keep your mouth shut, it's not bad at all if you're professional. It's the same deal managers get when they're fired, which is why you don't see them jumping into new jobs right away until their gardening leave is up. Jesse wouldn't even be in this situation if his performances for United hadn't been AWOL for the last 2 years.See how you behave if your office tells you to serve a 12 month notice period but they won't involve you in any tasks and you're just to sit there the entire time. This is a problem of our own making and now it's clear he is going to leave I don't see why he wouldn't make his agenda about him.
You miss the point. It was a pointless contract extension, brings no value add to the club, which is what the previous poster was aluding to. No resale value with the player, nothing, nada. Does Juan even still exist?The club extended his contract for them, not some personal favour.
I don't miss the point at all. You can't blame the player if you think the club shouldn't have offered a contract extension.You miss the point. It was a pointless contract extension, brings no value add to the club, which is what the previous poster was aluding to. No resale value with the player, nothing, nada. Does Juan even still exist?
Are you referring to the same player whose yearly pay rise demands ended up crippling the very club that made him? The same guy who went on live TV crying as if he's some sort of modern Bobby Charlton whose being pushed out of the club when in reality he had handled his transfer request just 12 months before? I see nothing but a mercenary there who used sentimentalism shown by his club fans to make himself way richer then he ever need to be. No wonder why prime SAF operated on a mantra that no one is bigger then the club.It's not a contradiction. Players are not either in it for the money or passionate playing for the club. They, arguably by default, are both.
Most blatant example to illustrate this is Messi. Noone can claim that he wasn't "Barca through and through". He was.
Didn't stop his agent from getting a higher contract out of Barca for him every year, to the brink of a stranglehold on the club's wage budget, no doubt leveraging outside interest to put pressure on the club.
The two things can be true at the same time, and it's important that people are capable of thinking beyond simple dichotomies.
As a supporter I hate the Glazers as the next guy but let's not kid ourselves that they weren't great for these bunch of losers we have. Under the Glazers, players like JLingz were allowed to grow their brand under the club's very nose and was given silly salaries despite not being good enough and despite admitting that there were times when he could be arsed of focusing on his football career. That would have never had happened under Edwards. FFS Edwards hesitated in giving Gabriel Batistuta the salary he had at Fiorentina and to give SAF the same salary Graham had with Arsenal. There's no way he would have allowed JLingz to take him to the cleaners.You can love the club but you have a limited life as a footballer and sacrificing for some vague concept of loving the club, especially when owned by financial vampires like the Glazers is a ludicrous concept.
The fact that your approach necessitates you to perceive Messi, who joined Barca at age 13 and remained with them for over 20 years, as "nothing but a mercenary" kind of proves my point, don't you think?Are you referring to the same player whose yearly pay rise demands ended up crippling the very club that made him? The same guy who went on live TV crying as if he's some sort of modern Bobby Charlton whose being pushed out of the club when in reality he had handled his transfer request just 12 months before? I see nothing but a mercenary there who used sentimentalism shown by his club fans to make himself way richer then he ever need to be. No wonder why prime SAF operated on a mantra that no one is bigger then the club.
There was a time when footballers truly loved the club. I am referring to the likes of Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Javier Zanetti who had turned down far more lucrative contract deals elsewhere because they couldn't see them wear another shirt. Those times are gone. Agents reign football and they'll squeeze every cent they can. That's fair enough. However clubs needs to adapt to that as well. They should show players the door the moment he's not worth the salary he's getting....no ifs no buts.
How would you call someone who would extract an eye watering $674 million in 4 years out of the very club that made him? That despite knowing very well that Barcelona's pockets were never that deep. Don't take me wrong, I don't blame Messi. Barcelona allowed him to become bigger then the club, they allowed him to take them to the cleaners and tbf he carried more then his weight something most of our players can't be bothered doing. However let's call a spade for what it is. Messi was is in it for money as most of the modern players are. The time when players would turn down fat pay cheques to remain with their club is long overThe fact that your approach necessitates that you label Messi, who joined Barca at age 13 and remained with them for over 20 years, as "nothing but a mercenary" kind of proves my point, don't you think?
Quite apparently you have trouble with complexity.
That's a problem, because without complexity your grasp on reality becomes fictitious, as in presenting three exceptional cases as proof for some mythical past era of "true love" which never was that.
Hope that's not the way you think about your life's relationships.
You do realize the replacement is his clone Richard Arnold? He'll probably bugger up the part Woodward was successful at ($$$).Seems like Woodward still running show until he’s really gone
Who's blaming the player? I didnt say that. I just pointed out that the club have a history of handing out contracts like confettiI don't miss the point at all. You can't blame the player if you think the club shouldn't have offered a contract extension.
I have a hard time buying that story. It is not in our interest to say please take him off our hands Mr. Moyes at the start of negotiations, if West Ham had serious interest they still could have and should have made a bid but they did not try. For perspective, Ole was adamant he did not want to sell Dan James this season but when push came to shove Leeds made a great offer and the board grabbed it with both hands regardless of what Ole wanted, the notion that Ole had final say on transfers has been proven false on more than one occasion.Moyes wanted to sign him but was told by Ole that it was out of the question, so no offer was made.
It certainly didn’t turn out well for West Ham when they could easily have gained more points this season had they paid what we asked for last summer.Well it didn't turn out well when West ham puller out altogether did it?
Nothings more annoying, specially if you're over at someone else's house. And lingard is more annoying than that.The turd that won’t flush.