Ole won 10 of his first 12 games. Ralf won 8, drew 8. Ralf's start has been incredibly overrated by people lowering standards. Suddenly we are happy just to control games.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Not impressed at all. We play well in spells against the bottom half sides, but can't score enough.
Got lucky vs Atletico and are missing top 4 now most likely. Results could not been much worse realistically.
We are far from City and Liverpools level at anything. Ole did beat Liverpool and City last year and this just shows how far we have fallen.
Yes it started with Ole this season, but we have not improved enough after he left.
Ronaldo has been bad, but it is not just him missing chances that is the problem. Everyone does so clearly we are doing something wrong.
Bruno is worse too, but the biggest difference is Rashford and Maguire.
Got lucky vs Atletico and are missing top 4 now most likely. Results could not been much worse realistically.
We are far from City and Liverpools level at anything. Ole did beat Liverpool and City last year and this just shows how far we have fallen.
Yes it started with Ole this season, but we have not improved enough after he left.
Ronaldo has been bad, but it is not just him missing chances that is the problem. Everyone does so clearly we are doing something wrong.
Bruno is worse too, but the biggest difference is Rashford and Maguire.
I mean, we have clearly improved fecking loads, people just quickly forget how far down the toilet Ole flushed us.
In the same amount of games (17), Ole lost 6, Ragnick 1, and Ole got twatted by Watford, Leicester, beaten by West Ham and just for the craic, Young Boys.
We got 17 points from 12 games with Ole, Ralf has 26 from 13 games. RR is attempting to polish a turd.
I’m not an Ole supporter in the classic sense. I thought he did well after Jose, guided us to 3rd and 2nd in successive seasons and a Europa League final. He wasn’t good enough to lift us to trophies and I thought he should have been sacked after the Liverpool loss.
The managerial statistics are relevant, with or without Ole’s as a comparison. Ralf’s results have not been good enough, and in fact, in the limited time he’s been with us his managerial stats are the worst of all managers since SAF. Now, it’s only 17 matches, but when is it relevant? 20 matches? 25? 30?
The bare minimum is top 4. I hope he gets us there, but today’s result was a big setback for those aspirations.
We had a disaster period under Ole before he got sacked. Just being slightly better is not the goal.
We should fight for titles or at least get top 4 and play CL. In terms of doing that he has massivly failed.
The only positive is the Atletico result we did not deserve and Elanga playing so well.
He has totally failed to get our star players to perform.
The only way our season can be seen as sucess is if we win CL and noone think we will. The other 3 PL clubs look far stronger than us. Bayern, PSG/Real are all bigger favorites.
Even Ajax and Juventus probably beats us.
Ralf stats for this season are fecking miles better than a guy who bought an entire first 11 and spent about 350 million quid.
Some fecking context please
Our season with two separate managers tells you quite the opposite, this expensively assembled squad absolutely shouldn’t be anywhere near fighting for titles.
You could keep convincing yourself our squad is class, I did for months and months, but it’s crystal clear now that it’s utter wank and that Ralf is attempting to come in mid season, spend not a penny, and polish a turd.
De Gea top class keeper.
Dalot/AWB solid right backs maybe a big weak, but not a problem.
Lindelöf, Varane, Maguire strong central defenders with international experience.
Shaw/Telles great fullbacks.
Mctominay, Fred, Matic solid players, but Matic is old and should be replaced.
Pogba, Bruno world class players, but have underperformed this season.
Sancho world class talent.
Elanga fantastic talent and squad player.
Rashford struggled, but a good player.
Ronaldo/Cavani. Ok the biggest problem. They are not that good anymore/old and if we had Vlahovic, Kane , Mbappe or Haaland this team would be 100 times better.
I feel give us a fantastic central/defensive midfielder and one top class striker and we can challenge. Maybe sell and replace Pogba as well if his head is not in it.
A top manager can transform this squad.
Its not fake anything. Your XG point os literally bullshit
feck me, if you were expecting an interim to come in after humiliating twattings by Leicester, Liverpool, City & Watford and defeats to Young Boys and do anything other than simply steady up a shit season and at best give top 4 a go, no wonder you’re underwhelmed.
It’s crystal clear now that after Watford, our season had zero fecking chance of being seen as a “success”.
You should be comparing how they both started. When people compare Ole with Jose, they look at league finishes and trophies, not Jose's last 10 games vs his first 10. It's silly and far beneath someone of your stature.
A manager’s job is to create an infrastructure to score goals and to not concede goals. Even the best managers need one or two players who can consistently score goals for them.
Well we do score... we were called 1-1 FC before this game.
He can transform it, but no-one is coming in now and making this squad a top team, it’s clearly fecking shite.
DDG, superglued to his line and weak
full backs - not a single top class one amongst them
Maguire- horror season
Lindelöf - weak
Varane - class
Midfield - wank
Forwards - looking too old as games pile up
Wingers - only good one off to jail. Sancho woke up a month ago but still looks nothing like an 80m player.
As for ”Shaw/Telles great fullbacks”
As I say, I convinced myself for ages that we had a great squad and so many top players, but you can’t watch the individual performances this season and truly believe that, you’re just kidding yourself.
I feel the bigger problem is our managers. We just pick shit ones or past it ones.
Lots of our players are internationals in big nations and doing well for national sides.
It is mostly for us they underperform which I think is due to our managers and the general feeling around the club.
National football is at a lower level and who are you even referring to?
Bruno’s been underwhelming for Portugal. Matic too old, McTom plays at CB because Scotland don’t rate him as a CM. AWB doesn’t get a look in, nor Dalot, nor Telles.
Sancho barely gets a game for England, nor Rashford any longer.
DDG another.
So who are the top internationals? Maguire, Varane and Pogba? One of those who’s suffering a truly horrendous dip in form this entire season?
Shaw’s managed to string together about 5 good England games in his entire career, which all came at the Euros.
As we all know scoring just one goal will always leave any team open to dropping points. We have to do better. But even a team like West Ham have a consistent goal scorer in Bowen. Spurs have Son. We have no such player who we can count on at the moment. All of our goal scorers are out of form at the same time.
Ole assembled this squad for implementing his style of football and we cannot expect much from an Interim manager to execute a contrast style with the same group.
For me, Ralf is doing okay to steady the ship which is what expected but our striking options are limited too.
I don’t like to blame Ronaldo or Bruno since both have played 3 games in 6 days with travel between to Madrid even the 20y old CFs will struggle to score. Hope they shouldn’t go down mentally since that will affect the rest of our matches as well.
One criticism on ralf is the lack of rotation on striking options and even try something like a false 9 to give a rest to ronaldo and bruno.
For me, Ralf is doing okay to steady the ship which is what expected but our striking options are limited too.
I don’t like to blame Ronaldo or Bruno since both have played 3 games in 6 days with travel between to Madrid even the 20y old CFs will struggle to score. Hope they shouldn’t go down mentally since that will affect the rest of our matches as well.
One criticism on ralf is the lack of rotation on striking options and even try something like a false 9 to give a rest to ronaldo and bruno.
I mean, is that even a comment? So let me get this straight. According to you:
Managerial stats: bullshit
xG: bullshit
EPL table: bullshit
Results: bullshit
Seems to me that any data that doesn’t support your position is bullshit.
This is why humanity is struggling right now. Believe only the facts that fit your worldview, and if it doesn’t, then it must be false.
What did you think of our squad before we kicked a ball this season? I’m curious.
Youve previously been proven to game your own stats but throwing in conference league games to make Conte look better than Rangnick.
Honestly I wouldn't look at your stats and refer to the actual data to suppliment what we see. And Ole's XG difference between creation and conversion wasn't as wide as Rangnick. That I know.
Are you the same guy who waved a conte flag to discredit Rangnick? If so, top post for stupidity, how is that going for you?
Lindelöf, Maguire and Varane are all top international players.
Fred and Pogba start in midfield for the two biggest favorites to win the world cup.
You can say our midfield is shit, but they are still rated and top players.
Shaw started for England in euros.
Bruno and Ronaldo are still international players. Although Ronaldo old of course.
Sancho and Rashford in the england squad and done well for them.
Hint.Shirt Sales yes. Which have got feck all to do with social media followers. Do you really think Man Utd really need a boost in social media followers to sell Ronaldo shirts. Like feck do they. They'd sell regardless.
Shallow analysis huh? Where would we be without Ronaldo right now? Out of UCL for a start.
Yes he hasn't scored recently and his form has taken a dive off a cliff. I'll give you that much, but he's been very important to the team and the stats don't lie. He's our top goal scorer.
Understanding the game of football. Ok Pep, I'll listen to you. Because clearly Ronaldo not scoring and selling shirt sales means so much to you. Maybe pick another striker for United to use. Oh wait. We don't have one.
Martial - On Loan
Greenwood - Less said here the better
Cavani - On the medics bench
Rashford - Form taken a dive and is constantly dropped.
Bruno - Also can't score
So guess we're stuck with Ronaldo then eh?
Gimme a break. Get off your high horse.
"Understand the game of football"
Lots of green smiles means your thoughts are non existent.
Social media followers translates to potential people buying shirts. not complicated.
On the strikers situation, you are making my argument.
Ronaldo has dried up is what I am saying. I did not say we should bench him now that we have him. Or are you fine with him contributing for less than half a season?
We had all our available strikers out there. Ronaldo still did not score btw.
Still no goals against Watford.
Yes. we should not have invested in Ronaldo.
If we had added a midfielder we would not be dependent on an ageing player like Matic who was excellent today.
Its clear you are a Ronaldo fanboy. So where has his recent contribution been?
The way you jumped into this clearly indicates you cannot have an objective view of the game.
Hint.
The biggest unseen was the Greenwood situation.
But if Ronaldo was the right investment, he should be scoring.
But he is not. He misses far more than score.
ffs man he should have scored against Watford.
Now go back to your shrine of him.
Not sure a win percentage at this stage really proves anything.
Any manager has to be allowed to sign a few players before they're fully judged.
One thing I know for sure.
Neither you, me, or anybody else outside of football is able to assess who was available for a short term role and who out of that available pot was best suited.
We played some nice stuff today. All in all? Rangnick has steadied the ship and stopped the defence from leaking but he's also not nearly done enough. Top 4 is pretty much done and yesterday aside (not even counting Leeds how poor they are) weve not played good football. He seems to pick players a bit too much on reputation reputation. When the Ronaldo-Bruno combination is proving slow and not delivering goals either surely we could have tried something else? Which would have been easier had we kept Martial.
Anyhoo only a small minority thought he could become permanent. That should definitely not be the case. Let's focus on getting a proper top manager in.
Anyhoo only a small minority thought he could become permanent. That should definitely not be the case. Let's focus on getting a proper top manager in.
Would a proper manager want to work with the clowns we have as a board?
Agreed. At best, Rangnick could have salvaged it somewhat by getting top 4 and he might still do that; making this season a failure rather than a disaster.
For this season to be a success, we'd have needed to be comfortably top 4 and get at least one trophy.
To be fair they give the managers a lot of freedom. The problem is whether they know a top manager from the next dud which I'm very skeptical of. Pochettino will probably be added to the list soon.
And that is because they know feck all about the game.
That's true. Managers these days prefer to coach and be supported by a club board/transfer committee that handles a lot of the managerial functions. At the same time I do think a quality manager makes others look better. Whereas someone like Ole having signed a Mish mash of players who don't suit attacking football, make everyone look worse.
Let's see. Can only hope and pray that one of the better ones joins us and we stop making our regular brain farts.
When Ralf was appointed, he was here to lay the foundation and then become consultant to build the football structure. We knew then that Top 4 may be at risks. But we were determine to implement drastic changes for long term good.
Results aside, Ralf is doing a very good job laying the foundation. We are now playing like a big team. The team now playing proactive attacking football, better fitness and look like a well coached team. This is the right direction and let the team keep developing this style of play until they are more confidence/comfortable. Next manager who is going to take over will have much easier job.
I still hope we can get Top 4 but not at the expense of our style of play now. We shall never revert back to counter attacking football (which this team is good at) to get results. We have enough 8 years of negative football as the biggest club in the world.
Results aside, Ralf is doing a very good job laying the foundation. We are now playing like a big team. The team now playing proactive attacking football, better fitness and look like a well coached team. This is the right direction and let the team keep developing this style of play until they are more confidence/comfortable. Next manager who is going to take over will have much easier job.
I still hope we can get Top 4 but not at the expense of our style of play now. We shall never revert back to counter attacking football (which this team is good at) to get results. We have enough 8 years of negative football as the biggest club in the world.
I just can't believe how bad our finishing is and how we have to persist with the same names every week from now till April. By time they find form the season would be beyond salvage. Bravo to Bruno, Ronaldo and Rashford for disappearing and Cavani for literally disappearing. Wrecked what has been a very good period with wastefulness, impulsiveness and poor general play.
The poor general play is what hurts the worst. Almost all lacking in link up contribution, legit 6/10 games without goal involvements. How did Ole put this attack together expecting to be consistent? You can almost tell there was no philosophy beyond knowing he wanted to play counterattack.
The poor general play is what hurts the worst. Almost all lacking in link up contribution, legit 6/10 games without goal involvements. How did Ole put this attack together expecting to be consistent? You can almost tell there was no philosophy beyond knowing he wanted to play counterattack.
They aren’t “my” stats mate. They are stats. Should we throw out the Middlesbrough result for Ralf because they are a championship side?
Here’s a tip: Before you question the information, do a bit of research. You’ve got 21,000+ posts on this forum. It would be nice if a few of them were based on actual research and a logical conclusion based off the research.
By the way, Conte hasn’t been great lately for Tottenham. But that’s a deflection. The real issue is Man United and whether Ralf is good enough to get us top 4. I am expecting top 4, and the underwhelming results against weak sides has me thinking we’ll need results from the next run of matches against Liverpool, City and Spurs.
Stat's on how a manager start (eg 10 games or less) are generally too small a sample size and subject to the variance of too many random events to be a valid comparison (such as starting squad inherited, injuries, fixtures, relying on a 37 yr old striker, variance of chance conversion).
We can go in circles on who had easier fixtures, squads etc but what's the point. I love the guy but Ole was not good enough and we know this. At this stage Ralf can't be accurately compared to Ole because of the above sample size issue and the fact this squad has to adapt a different style over time
That being said, what we should be focussing on is critically assessing whether Ralf is good enough for the full time gig. I personally think the jury is still out. There have been clear improvements in style of play which is impressive given the state of our front line. However football is a results busines and top 4 should be achievable with this squad.
I wish some of you lot quoting win rates were in charge of Liverpool when Klopp started..
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True. But if you were running a company as Chairman and hiring an interim CEO, wouldn’t you want someone with vast recent experience and a track record of achieving goals? The answer is yes.
Interesting stats there.
Tuchel was W11 D5 L3 or 2.11 pts per match… what’s your point?
Also, Ralf has had a run against bottom table teams.
Hate for Ole ? You playing the hate card now after having to go through that torrid 3 seasons? Deary me - get a life.
Ralph just had 2 .5 months . Is that all you willing to give to a new manager? Glad this thread is actually bringing all the kneejerk glory hunting ones to limelight. We now know whom to ignore, when we have a permanent manager next season.
If you really think someone will make us competent overnight with this squad , good luck with that . When you bring your swords out next season after 1 month, I will be the first one here to defend that new manager too.
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