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What would Kenny G do?
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I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing at the word "Blyatzkrieg". Saw it on Reddit.
I'm not quite grasping who these "in the presidential administration" people are supposed to be. Certainly not those who handle military, security and intelligence affairs, because you can't plan and start a war without those people. So who is left out? People who handle economics and internal political affairs? Great, but its the military and security staff that I want to hear disapproval from.Tweet
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Whatever else happens in the coming days and weeks (and I fear it will be bloody and brutal), the image of Putin as a moustache-twirling evil genius has been absolutely shattered. Blundering and poorly-advised buffoon, is more apt.Tweet
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I am indeed. Good day to you - blocked!
Oh you are just so for the people of Ukraine, aren’t you?
Oh you are just so for the people of Ukraine, aren’t you?
The thing is that they apparently really did not plan a war, but just a quick military raid. Their logistics and tactics absolutely didn't look like they were prepared for war at first, they are just now slowly catching up to the fact that they actually have to fight a war instead of just driving quickly into Kyiv and replacing the president.I'm not quite grasping who these "in the presidential administration" people are supposed to be. Certainly not those who handle military, security and intelligence affairs, because you can't plan and start a war without those people. So who is left out? People who handle economics and internal political affairs? Great, but its the military and security staff that I want to hear disapproval from.
I assumed considering the small problem to the East we might be making things speed up significantly. Obviously not!Have you heard of Priti Patel and the Tories?
They can come in as long as they pick fruit
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Me too, buddy. Keep up the good fight.It's hard to say how much of this is them trying to distance themselves from that decision retroactively but it's a good sign anyway. Deripaska, Fridman speaking out, Abramovich forwarding Chelsea money to a fund to support Ukraine...
It's been my daily 3 minutes of optimism, I'll go to hopeless desperation & existential dread now.
No, there's literally presidential administration — Anton Vaino, Sergey Kiriyenko etc. Aside from Kiriyenko, technically Vaino's deputy, they aren't that well-known publicly but it's a very important institution in Russian power hierarchy. Although while they were arguably the most important political institution at some point, they've been losing their influence over the past few years with Putin preferring FSB & other law enforcement agencies.I'm not quite grasping who these "in the presidential administration" people are supposed to be. Certainly not those who handle military, security and intelligence affairs, because you can't plan and start a war without those people. So who is left out? People who handle economics and internal political affairs? Great, but its the military and security staff that I want to hear disapproval from.
Rob Lee mentioned this on Twitter. It's like there was a bizarre disconnect between leadership and lower ranks. And part of the reason why the soldiers didn't care about preventing from being filmed pre-invasion. No operational security measures basically.The thing is that they apparently really did not plan a war, but just a quick military raid. Their logistics and tactics absolutely didn't look like they were prepared for war at first, they are just now slowly catching up to the fact that they actually have to fight a war instead of just driving quickly into Kyiv and replacing the president.
A lot of these reports remind me of transfer gossip. A lot of completely unverifiable reports that tell people what they want to hear or that paint random stuff as if it's huge news. Media grabbing clicks.I'm not quite grasping who these "in the presidential administration" people are supposed to be. Certainly not those who handle military, security and intelligence affairs, because you can't plan and start a war without those people. So who is left out? People who handle economics and internal political affairs? Great, but its the military and security staff that I want to hear disapproval from.
I think it was more a huge intelligence failure. If those reports can be believed leadership and lower ranks were absolutely in sync thinking that they would not really have to fight, but this was just wrong.Rob Lee mentioned this on Twitter. It's like there was a bizarre disconnect between leadership and lower ranks. And part of the reason why the soldiers didn't care about preventing from being filmed pre-invasion. No operational security measures basically.
I think a lot of bizarre facts will come out.
Ok, sort of understood. Help me out a little bit, is it maybe as if a US President planned and initiated a war basically by involving just the Dept of Defense, CIA, etc., but cut out the National Security Advisor, National Security Council and his White House advisors?No, there's literally presidential administration — Anton Vaino, Sergey Kiriyenko etc. Aside from Kiriyenko, technically Vaino's deputy, they aren't that well-known publicly but it's a very important institution in Russian power hierarchy. Although while they were arguably the most important political institution at some point, they've been losing their influence over the past few years with Putin preferring FSB & other law enforcement agencies.
Russians themselves are fleeing to Armenia, Georgia, Israel etc. — anywhere where they can, really — in notable numbers. Although with the lack of options in terms of transport & the ridiculous cost of those few tickets that are available it's mostly well established people from Moscow & St. Petersburg (the same people that make up the core of the opposition to Putin's regime and are feeling justifiably threatened by the ever-increasing level of political oppression).Starting to feel as if we are on a cusp of a big refugee/fleeing crisis from Russia too, with foreign students and workers now really considering their future there:
Yeah, pretty much. Although it looks like even the "DOD" & "CIA" weren't in on all of the details.Ok, sort of understood. Help me out a little bit, is it maybe as if a US President planned and initiated a war basically by involving just the Dept of Defense, CIA, etc., but cut out the National Security Advisor, National Security Council and his White House advisors?
Ok, thanks harms. Stay safe.Yeah, pretty much. Although it looks like even the "DOD" & "CIA" weren't in on all of the details.
The UK is just a joke. The EU is lining up more sanctions on energy etc, has already blacklisted people like Mikhail Friedman, seized yachts, and the UK as per usual does nothing of good. I swear this country just slowly dies more and more every year especially whenever it's run by the conservatives.
No idea if true though one reply (and the original tweet itself to an extent) suggests that law changes a few years back meant it was/is harder to make a case for sanctions… presumably on the basis that even people who probably should be sanctioned, deserve a thorough process/case made against them as all other people who break a law do. Also that if get it wrong, the relevant person can sue.With all the assests that oligarchs have in UK and intelligence data at the disposal of the government, they still can not build up cases against them? Maybe they do not really want to?
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Truth hurts but it's still the truth. Find another wayThat’s the spirit.
No harm in pushing the issue, it takes no effort.
No its Pierce Brosnan out on the pissWho is that? Someone from Ireland I assume?
I think they're terrified that if they let the white refugees in they'll then have to let everyone else in too.What's the deal with visas? Shouldn't we very quickly just be issuing them to Ukranians?
You can read the whole twitter thread, he expands on it in English.what does it say?
There’s a whole Twitter thread. Genuinely batshit stuff most of it, but also like a lot of propaganda it is built of kerns of truth twisted and manipulated.what does it say?
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But Pierce Brosnan is from Ireland?No its Pierce Brosnan out on the piss
Gerry Adams. You can Google him as there’s quite a lot there, though what you read will depend on that writer’s beliefs probably (if they like him, it’ll be good… if they don’t, it’ll be bad).Who is that? Someone from Ireland I assume?
Bloody hell. It’s Glastonspur!!What's happening is essentially the struggle of freedom against control and oppression. The major part of global history since the year dot has always boiled down down to this.
The only security threat that a free and independent Ukraine poses is the threat posed to Putin's gangster-state regime by the existence - and example to the Russian people - of democracy and freedom.
The above also applies to NATO - a defensive alliance of free and democratic nations. The idea that NATO would ever invade Russia is laughable, all the more so given Russia's nuclear weapons.
Putin fears the spread of freedom and democracy into Russia. Everything else is lies from a thug dictator who, even a week ago, denied that Russian troops would invade Ukraine (beyond being already in Crimea).
There are credible people (e.g. from Bellingcat) who say that Russia cannot finance this large-scale military invasion for more than another 2 - 3 weeks.
I therefore think, if Kiev is still in Ukranian hands after this time, that the risk of Putin using nuclear weapons is, unfortunately, significantly higher than most people suppose. I believe that he might well use a tactical nuke in Ukraine if that becomes his only way of avoiding military humiliation.
What NATO's response would be, if he does use a tactical nuke, is anyone's guess.
Finally, please note: I'm here to discuss the Ukrainian situation - nothing else.
Yes, New York Times reported it too.Just seen reports here in Germany suggesting that China might have known full well what was going to happen and may have asked Russia to wait until after the Olympics.
Yeah, it's absolutely brutal. Our economy was shit in the first place but what had happened over the past few days was nothing short of catastrophic — and it's only the beginning. Since we'll obviously going to see more and more consequences in the next few weeks & months. By all projections if nothing changes we're going to drop back to the early 90's level — and, considering that "do you want back to the 90's" was one of Putin's most effective counter-arguments to any critique of his internal policy it'll probably cause a huge reaction... in a bit though. People need to feel long-term consequences, right now what we see can be written off by some (who don't really understand more global economical processes) as a panic reaction.Gerry Adams. You can Google him as there’s quite a lot there, though what you read will depend on that writer’s beliefs probably (if they like him, it’ll be good… if they don’t, it’ll be bad).
Are you seeing any signs of sanctions kicking in where you are? UK media suggests hurting Russia but never know if that’s the case or how reported.
I’m sorry you’re having to go through thisYeah, it's absolutely brutal. Our economy was shit in the first place but what had happened over the past few days was nothing short of catastrophic — and it's only the beginning. Since we'll obviously going to see more and more consequences in the next few weeks & months. By all projections if nothing changes we're going to drop back to the early 90's level — and, considering that "do you want back to the 90's" was one of Putin's most effective counter-arguments to any critique of his internal policy it'll probably cause a huge reaction... in a bit though. People need to feel long-term consequences, right now what we see can be written off by some (who don't really understand more global economical processes) as a panic reaction.
Remember when people thought China would save the day?Just seen reports here in Germany suggesting that China might have known full well what was going to happen and may have asked Russia to wait until after the Olympics.
Is your return because India abstained from the vote yesterday?What's happening is essentially the struggle of freedom against control and oppression. The major part of global history since the year dot has always boiled down down to this.
The only security threat that a free and independent Ukraine poses is the threat posed to Putin's gangster-state regime by the existence - and example to the Russian people - of democracy and freedom.
The above also applies to NATO - a defensive alliance of free and democratic nations. The idea that NATO would ever invade Russia is laughable, all the more so given Russia's nuclear weapons.
Putin fears the spread of freedom and democracy into Russia. Everything else is lies from a thug dictator who, even a week ago, denied that Russian troops would invade Ukraine (beyond being already in Crimea).
There are credible people (e.g. from Bellingcat) who say that Russia cannot finance this large-scale military invasion for more than another 2 - 3 weeks.
I therefore think, if Kiev is still in Ukranian hands after this time, that the risk of Putin using nuclear weapons is, unfortunately, significantly higher than most people suppose. I believe that he might well use a tactical nuke in Ukraine if that becomes his only way of avoiding military humiliation.
What NATO's response would be, if he does use a tactical nuke, is anyone's guess.
Finally, please note: I'm here to discuss the Ukrainian situation - nothing else.
Does the Swift ban mean that it will be impossible for Russian residents to receive any money from abroad?Yeah, it's absolutely brutal. Our economy was shit in the first place but what had happened over the past few days was nothing short of catastrophic — and it's only the beginning. Since we'll obviously going to see more and more consequences in the next few weeks & months. By all projections if nothing changes we're going to drop back to the early 90's level — and, considering that "do you want back to the 90's" was one of Putin's most effective counter-arguments to any critique of his internal policy it'll probably cause a huge reaction... in a bit though. People need to feel long-term consequences, right now what we see can be written off by some (who don't really understand more global economical processes) as a panic reaction.