Just looking at Premier League years on sky. We hired Ole fecking Solskjaer as our manager. There's a knock on the door, let that sink in.
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Because World Cup is in November and December. He’s going to be distracted with his national team in mid season. That’s not good.
Man this is such a crap point. I was very vocal early on about wanting Ole sacked, and I believed that Poch should have been our manager post Mourinho. At that time he was arguably our best option for the role. That was in 2019. We are now quarter way through 2022. Things have changed since then. During that time we have seen Poch at a top club and have seen what he brings to the table.
No one is saying Poch is a crap manager. He is a very good manager. If he was to come here it's highly likely we would, at the very least, consolidate our position within the top 4. I can't speak for everyone but for myself where Poch falls short most of all is that he isn't by his very nature a manager who champions attacking, dominating football. Even his Spurs team at their best, which I am assuming most people take to be his best work, were a gritty hard working team, but they were never a dominant team that would blow you away in the way that a Klopp or Pep team would. I watched a decent amount of them as they were among the better teams in the league then, and they were never an entertaining team.
Most United fans are just fed up with managers who play pragmatic, football without a clearly defined style of play, which is what we've gotten with all our managers post SAF, with the exception of LVG. We've now had six straight years of that with Jose and Ole, managers who go out there first to not lose, then try to win. This is why you see names like Potter being favored, because even a manager like him goes out and tries to play positive football and take the game to the opposition. If you read what the PSG fans have to say about Poch, there is no positive or clearly defined style of play, rather just a pragmatic approach and relying on their star quality to bail them out. That was my assessment of his Spurs team as well, albeit they were a more coherent unit than his PSG appears to be, but the approach remains the same.
All it boils down to is that we want someone who will entertain us and play good football. There are managers out there for whom that is their defining quality. That is not the case with Poch. And it certainly has nothing to do with Ole. And lastly, before anyone tries to talk about Tuchel at PSG, that's an inaccurate comparison for two reasons. Firstly, Tuchel's PSG played good football by all accounts of the PSG fans, and secondly Tuchel's Dortmund were great to watch as well.
ETH is my preferred choice, but if we get someone else (except fecking Lopetegui) I will still support them and hope they do well, and whoever of the leading names being put forward, be it ETH, Poch or even Enrique will certainly be an improvement on Ole, Jose and Rangnick. However, I worry for the health of a couple posters on here if we don't hire Poch. There is some serious concentrated adoration within a few people.
I am not bothered out of the two,
I liked what Poch did at the Saints and Spurs and ETH looks like an interesting prospect.
I suppose at least if it is ETH there won't be the hatred directed at the manager.....at least not for the first three months
It's not as simple as A or B and without doubt you need transfers to implement your vision successfully. However at the same time a great manager with a strong vision can start the visible implementation of the system without much delay (with baby steps). As I said in another thread, even though LVG and Woody fecked us up in terms of signings, the tactical imprint of the former could be seen pretty shortly into his United career.
And when people say we have to focus on building a system first I think that's more aimed at what we've seen this past decade - that without a strong footballing system / culture and cohesiveness on the collective, adding players doesn't bring the value it would otherwise. Moreover it helps you sign players who will be useful for the long term if you have a footballing identity everyone is onboard with.
Is he? Since his Barcelona days which go back to 2015/16 (i think) has he done anything at club level?
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If ten Hag doesn't get the job now there will be a meltdown of all meltdowns all over the internet from United fans. If I didn't want him so badly myself I'd nearly hope he didn't get it, purely for the comedy that would ensue.
For balance here's a good article speaking of why Pochettino may be the right man.
https://www.unitedinfocus.com/news/...source=t.co&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=td
For balance here's a good article speaking of why Pochettino may be the right man.
https://www.unitedinfocus.com/news/...source=t.co&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=td
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We'd not only be writing off next season, but also the one after for players to get accustomed to his tactics and training methods.
Yeah but the season pauses during that time.
I think it completely unrealistic to be honest. 5 months is a long time and that would only add to the pressure of him in both roles. I just don't think it would benefit anyone really. When he becomes full time manager, he could be burned out for the rest of the season.
The media coverage certainly suggests Ten Hag, but we've been down this road before. Pochettino was considered a sure thing for the permanent job when Ole was hired. The media coverage was very similar.
Speaking English probably isn't THAT important for the job. But its funny how Ten Haag's English was questioned earlier but not Enrique's? I've been looking for an interview of Enrique's in English, have't found one yet.
What’s even funnier is if you watch Poch on sky from a couple years back his English was quite broken, that whole needs to speak English thing is ridiculous.
Due to reports that came out when he was interviewed for the Spurs. One of the reasons they rejected ETH apparently.
Maybe our board don't know how much those two things overlap with this squad. It wouldn't actually be unrealistic for candidates to conclude this team needs rebuilding as a style is being implemented. If true would mean this team doesn't lend too well to their 'style of play'.
Managers usually have a preferred style of striker to keep the ball, keeper to sweep, athletic or dominating defenders excellent in space. By contrast many of our players are question marks for control football. Who's going to play high with Maguire or ask AWB to push up or ask De Gea to sweep? What about Bruno's wild play and having to accommodate Ronaldo as a traditional 9 in every formation? His backup Rashford looks an even worse disaster without space.
Basically imagine if Pep was coming this summer and start from there rather than trying to shoehorn all these pieces into odd holes. If you're talking control and high line you have to be ready to talk rebuild. Or maybe it just hasn't dawned on them this thing wasn't very well built for that purpose.
Good point.
Not only that, I think the story was he's shy to speak English or something like that. If I remember he spoke Spanish when he was at Southampton.
Well he's not managed a club since, so no. He left Barcelona in 2017. What he was doing with a fairly weak Spain at the Euros is what shows how high his level still is.
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If we get Enrique people will forget we were even in for Ten Hag pretty quickly.
I think that's why this talk of developing a playing style is just hot air and they'll settle for Poch as he won't demand a rebuild and can work with the players we have.
Never knew people rated Enrique so ridiculously highly.
Be hilarious if Lingard sees the new manager and decides to stick around.
This talk of being able to speak English is annoying me a little...Moyes, Van Gaal, Jose, Ole, Ralf all speaking fecking English and tell me how we're doing?
Luis Enrique is a great coach. A more straight forward Guardiola.
Not very well at all. No trophies in 5 years.
Gets more depressing every time I see that.
Same
And in fairness to @Tibs - of those permanent manager names I would personally say van Gaal and Mourinho have the weakest English and they're the two who brought some mild success - Europa league, FA Cup, League cup.
If, and it's a big if you lot appoint Lucho, I'll be torn come Manchester derby time.
I think United need a clear out as well as a modern, identifiable style of play.
He has no choice on the matter.
So, outside of the work he did with arguably Barca's greatest ever side, what makes Enrique special ?
I can't remember if he still has a contract offer on the table or not.
It is a big if. And I think people are realistic to that - especially with the winter WC.
I can only imagine that's the only reason he isn't getting a lot of support from reds. The fact he's not been in club management for (6?) years now would be my biggest concern. But I really like his style and feel he's the man to strike fear into the big 2. If it was reliably leaked that he wants to join United NOW (again i know its unlikely) then I would hope more people would get behind it.
The work he's done with Spain has been pretty good. He employs positional football, so he has a clear discernible style of play.
They completely dominated Italy at the Euros and their squad wasn't really that good.
And even though he had MSN, it's no guarantee for success. He was able to work with 3 extremely high ego players and led them to a treble.
You’re probably being tongue in cheek but I actually agree with this. Enrique was bad at Roma, decent at Celta and then yeah he won the treble at Barca but history really forgets how little of it was down to him. We all remember MSN being an outrageous front 3 but it wasn’t actually always like that - Enrique had them playing with Suarez out wide and Messi down the middle. It was Messi and Suarez themselves who had a chat mid game and decided to switch positions, so it was far from a coaching masterclass from Enrique. I don’t think anyone can be really sure what his level as a manager actually is.
Yeah. Neither had to go up against clubs financed by entire countries.
I'd say read up on him, particularly Andy Mitten who has good insights and personal contact with him.
Roma and Celta still speak fondly of the work he did for them. Obviously massively successful for Barcelona. You can say their greatest side, but you could say it for Guardiola too, and you can have the players but you still need to be successful and get a tune out of them. The current manager of Mbappe, Messi and Neymar isn't finding it a picnic. Then he's transitioned to Spanish national team - which is split into 2 parts due to personal tragedy (a couple of days after my own daughter was born, which made it hit home more) - where he has only lost about 3 times in over 30 matches. With a Spanish team their own journalists accept is in transition and nowhere near the peak of their powers.
All that and he's still younger than the up and coming ten Hag. (and i like ten Hag)
For me, Enrique is an outstanding candidate and I'm sure he'd prove that with interest if he moved to a PL team.
Only excuse I can allow for ten Hag not being appointed already is that there's a serious possibility of getting LE in. Otherwise ten Hag should already be 100% decided as the next manager.
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