Smacks of the row over wanting the teacher to remove the anti-Muslim cartoons from his high school class curriculum. Difficult to fully get the point without them.
Russian War Crimes in Ukraine
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According to BBC, ten million Ukrainians have been displaced! Out of a total of 41 million people! One in four had to leave their home. And that report was from 6 days ago! Isn't that a war crime?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60555472
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60555472
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'Never again'
Bullshite
Bullshite
It has unfortunately always been bullshit. The only people who can say 'never again' and mean anything by it are the jewish Israelis, who set up a state with significant means of self-defense. But as for the WW2 allies, none of them was at war with Germany over the holocaust, they were at war because of Germany's invasions of Poland, France and the USSR.
All this was brought to a conflict which the Russians thought would be over in days.
They planned a mass killing programme, and planned to cover it up.
Hmmm. The penny dropped on me yesterday that the crematoriums might not have been for their soldiers after all.
No its for actual genocide that is sufficient to kick Russia out of the UN.
Under Article 6, yes. And if we can get China on side (at least in terms of abstaining), then I would welcome that Security Council debate and vote. At least it will show everyone that Russia is only hanging on because of its veto.
feck me this is unbelievable in 2022.
From Mariupol City Council (the source of the earlier claim):
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Tens of thousands murdered and then cremated, it is feared.
Same thoughts were being posted on Reddit. Very grim and ominous.
Unbelievable...
I hope one day all of those responsible for these war crimes (either by commanding those actions or by executing them) will be judged in Den Haag.
Or in their own portable hells for that matter.
and, I’ll bet no one is held to account for it.
Will it make any difference to Russia if they’re suspended/ kicked out of the UN?
No, it won't. In any case, it is them getting suspended out of UN Human Rights Council, not UN. There is no mechanism to suspend a security council member (who can veto anything).
They cannot be kicked out of the UN as they have veto power on the Security Council.
They can be kicked out of the Human Rights Council with a 2/3 majority vote of the General Assembly.
As for whether it would make a difference, here is what the US ambassador to the UN said about the matter:
So part of increasing international isolation and reducing their voice in international institutions. The same reason why Russia was excluded from the Council of Europe (the body which administers the European Convention on Human Rights).
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Didn't Anonymous state a few days ago that they hacked personal data from 120,000+ Russian soldiers? We can bet that they already know exactly where those soldiers are/were posted as well, but will not divulge that information just yet.
In any case, officers from those units are so so fecked at the very least since it is their responsibility.
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Russia hasn't signed the Rome Treaty so they have nothing to worry about.
Interstingly, I don't believe Ukraine has signed it either.
We often see the Pope being called out for a lot of things that involve the Catholic church, but do we ever see the Patriarch being called out for stuff like this?
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It's an impossible ask to not commit war crimes? Really?
It's pure whataboutery to say yeah but Russia are doing more war crimes. The justifications used in the last few pages just demonstrates how easily people rationalise these things when they want to. It's the same flawed mindset that the Russians foolish enough to support the war fall into.
What do Russians believe that happened in Bucha? Interesting video with interviews.
Russians watch videos from Bucha
Russians watch videos from Bucha
Which army in a war of this size has an unblemished record with no documented possible war crimes? It is not going to happen. Humans do bad things, especially when provoked. I have zero expectation of the Ukrainian side coming out of this war with zero evidence of possible war crimes against them, because no “good guys” in any war of this scale will have such an unblemished record. Crimes happen in societies, even in the most Westernised and civilised where crime rates are lowest.
Your argument appears to be along the lines of that every war crime should be equally condemned regardless of the side who committed it. Practice what you preach. Keep up the same energy for every single bit of photographic, audio or video evidence for war crimes in this war and you’ll soon put this into perspective.
Russian war crimes are uncountable and incessant at this stage. All you can do is report and point at scenes where hundreds have been committed in one locale. Trying to balance up every Russian war crime, or even every hundredth Russian war crime, with one Ukrainian one is false balance.
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Jesus, the pictures coming out of Kramatorsk. They just did a missile attack at the station where everyone is attempting to heed Ukrainian advice to flee west from the Ukrainian-controlled areas of the Donbas. Looks like dozens dead amongst their suitcases.
To put it into perspective @Smores, there’s more Ukrainian civilians dead in one photo here, than Russians being shot or killed in captivity by Ukrainians in ALL the gonzo videos we have seen throughout the war.
I won’t direct link, but check @GirkinGirkin’s latest tweets or any Ukrainian journalist as they are now reporting on it.
To put it into perspective @Smores, there’s more Ukrainian civilians dead in one photo here, than Russians being shot or killed in captivity by Ukrainians in ALL the gonzo videos we have seen throughout the war.
I won’t direct link, but check @GirkinGirkin’s latest tweets or any Ukrainian journalist as they are now reporting on it.
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ugh.
This was the scene there yesterday of the place that has been hit.
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Not an unacceptable ask, but one that is unlikely to be adhered to absolutely. Doubt a war has gone by without some soldier somewhere committing an atrocity within it. The barbarity of face to face combat almost guarantees it. It's disgusting and unacceptable and hopefully the bastards perpetrating these crimes are punished, but there remains a distinct difference between committing war crimes as a matter of policy and the disparate acts of a few companies or individuals. There seems to be a systematic strategy of civilian murder operated by Russia and backed up by its rhetoric. A country of 44 million have been invaded, over 10 million have fled their homes, hundreds of thousands more are besieged and starving within their cities, thousands are being bombed, hundreds being shot in the back of the head, thrown by a roadside or buried in mass graves. That's a hell of a bloody ledger to which we can now add the tens of Russian solders we know to have been murdered after surrendering.
I'm not the news, with all respect i don't need to have pointed out all the Russian crimes (from who it is expected) to then discuss a Ukranian one. No one has made any such claim about equal weighting so the balance point is moot.
I know you've mentioned you have family there and I'm aware others do, I'm sensitive to that but you won't succesfully gatekeep the discussion by demanding such conditions.
There is no justification for any war crime. Anyone trying to add disclaimers or qualifiers really needs to self reflect because that's a slippery slope.