Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[marcus agrippa]

He just seems a genuinely bad manager and, probably most concerningly given his consultancy role, I’m not convinced by his judgement of players.

That depends on what his consultancy role entails. If it's to help organize the club into a more modern footballing operation, then his previous work speaks for itself.

I struggle to see why people are judging the man based on criteria he has never shown himself to be any more than average at. He's never shown himself to be a great manager/coach. That's not his expertise. Someone mentioned we may have hired him to troubleshoot while keeping our season alive. He's clearly failed in the latter, but given the things going on behind the scenes, he's making moves in the former. He certainly speaks a lot of sense (with the numbers and examples to back it up) when he talks about what we need to do going forward as a football club.

TL;DR: it doesn't make sense to judge a hire based on criteria that doesn't fit their demonstrated expertise.

 

[croadyman]

Players clearly decided to chuck him under the bus after 35 mins against Palace, they are a total disgrace for that

 

[Firstouch20]

Ole might have actually turned things around. As bad as the team was before he was sacked, he could have nicked top four i believe. Atleast with Ole he has the potential of instilling belief and fight into the team which is the sole reason he survived as long as he did as a manager at Manchester Utd. Should have just given the role to him for the rest of the season.

 

[IhabX7]

Too bad Ole was shit at player recruitment. Ole can only dream of achieving what Ralf has in his career. Ralf is a club builder and better at assessing players than Ole ever will be in his career.

Club builder my arse.

 

[#07]

I'm not blaming Ralf completely for the mess we've been post Xmas and certainly not for today but anyone trying to absolve him of all responsibility is deluding themselves in my opinion. Unlucky or not we are still a shambles defensively.

Okay but what specifically can he do about the errors that keep costing us? Cos they seem to be more about decision making and execution than team shape or set up.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Must be baffling as a Real fan to read this thread. One crap excuse after another for a manager so out of his depth.

It's Ole all over again hahaha

 

[vlad93]

The good: brought back Pogba from Dubai when we had a leaky midfield.
Beat Brighton second half of season, beat Norwich.
Funny and direct with how he makes players obedient to the system.

The bad: couldn't inspira win over Everton.
Tries 3 at the back against Liverpool which was throwaway game, could have scalped them with 4 at the back.
Lost to Arsenal.
Over plays Bruno who is hot headed and erratic. Mata could be used a lot more who is level headed.
Rashford underperforming because of the ex girlfriend. RR psychologist not doing the work
* West ham have a chance to take our 6th spot in the table christ. Their squad talent is bang average.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Too bad Ole was shit at player recruitment. Ole can only dream of achieving what Ralf has in his career. Ralf is a club builder and better at assessing players than Ole ever will be in his career.

Ole can only dream of what Ralf has done in his career??? Hahahahahaha

1 German cup in 20 years. Wowsers. That's an incredible record.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

These results are nothing to do with Ralf. It’s the unprofessional mentality that has crept in from the previous regime.

We could have easily beaten Arse today.

That’s nonsense, of course it’s to do with Ralf. If he can’t get the team to win more games than Ole, he shouldn’t have been hired.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I love the way Ole's biggest apologists are claiming that ridiculous excuses are be made for Ralf. Self awareness checks needed galore.

 

[Ted Lasso]

People are blinded by his straight talking in the media. His performances and results are indefensible which is the job he is being paid to do.

We'll also be carrying out nowhere near the scale of the rebuild he suggests.

The club has a very recent history of hiring full-time managers who were never fit to manage the club and whose resumes were so poor at the time it's astounding that any half competent footballing exec would sanction it except for ignorance and nepotism (Ole, Moyes).

The hiring of an interim manager is different. Across clubs it's quite common to have a personality come in to provide something different while the club takes a measured approach to the full time hire. Just because other clubs have seen shocking success under and interim manager (Chelsea cough cough) doesn't mean the expectations should be to turn the club around overnight. If that was the goal of the hire then Conte was waiting with open arms.

Perhaps there was an underlying hope that an interim manager, Ragnik or other, could come in and take this club to 4th and maybe a trophy. But you would have to really be incompetent at running a football club to bank on an interim manager - one who does not have a good enough resume to manage United permanently - to come in and have the effect of a Tuchel or Conte in the same short time frame.

Hopefully I'm articulating that well. Essentially, the notion that Ragnick was hired with a clear expectation of a top 4 finish with no signings as opposed to a faint wishful thinking, is completely ridiculous. If the club actively felt that way then it's yet another black mark. But I don't think they did - it seemed they learned their lesson with the Ole debacle.

Any fans with the same misconception should take pause and review Ragniks resume and also the reason a lot of folks rated him for a role at the club - it wasn't to manage full time, but rather to help in a more technical dof type role which has been where he has shined again and again.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Bad decision for not sub out Telles and Bruno earlier, while making Bruno captain and assign him as penalty taker.

 

[crossy1686]

Ole might have actually turned things around. As bad as the team was before he was sacked, he could have nicked top four i believe. Atleast with Ole he has the potential of instilling belief and fight into the team which is the sole reason he survived as long as he did as a manager at Manchester Utd. Should have just given the role to him for the rest of the season.

If we nick top 4 nothing changes. We don’t make Europe and the club has to do an inquest. The last thing we need is more papering over cracks

 

[Samid]

That's still not a valid reason to bring him in as manager, given that literally any number of other options would've outperformed him and led as to a CL spot given the players we have.

It's a daft excuse anyway. "Ralf was never bought in to get top 4." As if that's how things work under the Glazers.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Ole can only dream of what Ralf has done in his career??? Hahahahahaha

1 German cup in 20 years. Wowsers. That's an incredible record.

Erm yeah..... both have had ridiculously underwhelming managerial careers. Which is why both will never again get a managerial gig at any decent level.

 

[Samid]

Ole can only dream of what Ralf has done in his career??? Hahahahahaha

1 German cup in 20 years. Wowsers. That's an incredible record.

Funny thing is majority of these people didn't even know who Ralf was a year ago.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Too bad Ole was shit at player recruitment. Ole can only dream of achieving what Ralf has in his career. Ralf is a club builder and better at assessing players than Ole ever will be in his career.

Great fans

 

[Raoul]

It's a daft excuse anyway. "Ralf was never bought in to get top 4." As if that's how things work under the Glazers.

I'm baffled as to how some have made defending Ralf in the face of losing such an important hill to die on. Perhaps its this justification of mediocrity mindset that is the true problem with the club.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Funny thing is majority of these people didn't even know who Ralf was a year ago.

You, probably

 

[crossy1686]

Let’s have it right, everyone at the club has failed massively this year.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Let’s have it right, everyone at the club has failed massively this year.

Every post-Fergie appointment has failed massively.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

I’ve got to the point with Rangnick where I think he’s purposely playing the same team over and over again just to emphasise how shite the players are, and the need for a major overhaul. I can’t understand why he’s playing the same 14 or so players. We aren’t getting top 4. Let’s stop using players who aren’t going to be here next season, give more youngsters their debuts.

This would make more sense if he were constantly playing the ones who aren't leaving at the end of the season.

The simpler explanation is that he's actually trying, and not doing a good job at it.

 

[The United]

The club has a very recent history of hiring full-time managers who were never fit to manage the club and whose resumes were so poor at the time it's astounding that any half competent footballing exec would sanction it except for ignorance and nepotism (Ole, Moyes).

The hiring of an interim manager is different. Across clubs it's quite common to have a personality come in to provide something different while the club takes a measured approach to the full time hire. Just because other clubs have seen shocking success under and interim manager (Chelsea cough cough) doesn't mean the expectations should be to turn the club around overnight. If that was the goal of the hire then Conte was waiting with open arms.

Perhaps there was an underlying hope that an interim manager, Ragnik or other, could come in and take this club to 4th and maybe a trophy. But you would have to really be incompetent at running a football club to bank on an interim manager - one who does not have a good enough resume to manage United permanently - to come in and have the effect of a Tuchel or Conte in the same short time frame.

Hopefully I'm articulating that well. Essentially, the notion that Ragnick was hired with a clear expectation of a top 4 finish with no signings as opposed to a faint wishful thinking, is completely ridiculous. If the club actively felt that way then it's yet another black mark. But I don't think they did - it seemed they learned their lesson with the Ole debacle.

Any fans with the same misconception should take pause and review Ragniks resume and also the reason a lot of folks rated him for a role at the club - it wasn't to manage full time, but rather to help in a more technical dof type role which has been where he has shined again and again.

Actually, hiring an interim manager is to steady the ship and stay as high as possible on the table while the club takes a measured approach to the full-time hire, not to provide something different in the middle of the season with someone else's squad whose morale might have been at its lowest.

He just did not meet that expectation in that sense. Then excuses like he needed to manage the squad to consult the management later...

It is like any successful DOF has to manage a squad to do their job well. Even when he was building a club, did he do the coaching there for long if at all?

 

[DevilRed]

It's Ole all over again hahaha

Its worse than Ole because at least with Ole he won a few games for us at the beginning of his spell and brought some hope admist the doom and gloom.

This fraud rangnick has basically underperformed since day 1 and now is throwing our players under the bus. Couldn't even manage fourth against shite like spurs and gooners.

We've got fecking Ronaldo and Varane in our team ffs.

 

[El Jefe]

I'm baffled as to how some have made defending Ralf in the face of losing such an important hill to die on. Perhaps its this justification of mediocrity mindset that is the true problem with the club.

It's honestly astonishing. Why don't these 'fans' just watch his press conferences and interviews instead of the games if they are always going to lay 100% of the blame on the players.

There hasn't been a single improvement in our play under his tenure and we are now worse than we were under Ole and somehow he isn't responsible for some of that. Even crazier are those that think he's done a good job

 

[Robbie Boy]

Its worse than Ole because at least with Ole he won a few games for us at the beginning of his spell and brought some hope admist the doom and gloom.

This fraud rangnick has basically underperformed since day 1 and now is throwing our players under the bus. Couldn't even manage fourth against shite like spurs and gooners.

We've got fecking Ronaldo and Varane in our team ffs.

They're all utter, utter shite:

Ole;
Ralf;
Jose;
LvG;
Moyes.

The club has made shit appointment, after shit appointment. Thankfully, we look as though we are finally moving in the right direction with ETH.

 

[Abraxas]

It's hard to say what level of manager would have even needed to save this sinking ship and get us looking like a top 4 side. There is certainly mitigation. Maybe only a fraction of managers could do that given the problems he has faced, and obviously not many would have been available as interim.

It's the complete inability to not even show signs of life but to actually be heading into decline that is startling. In that way you can only call a spade a spade, he has been abject. There is no way to dress up that fact, no matter how the blame is slice and diced between players, manager and club. The reign has simply been awful.

 

[DevilRed]

They're all utter, utter shite:

Ole;
Ralf;
Jose;
LvG;
Moyes.

The club has made shit appointment, after shit appointment. Thankfully, we look as though we are finally moving in the right direction with ETH.

Honestly at this point, if ETH doesn't work out I think we might not win a premier league title for another 10 years or so.

He really is sort of like the final hope.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

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[One Night Only]

He's been talking a scary amount of sense and truth? He's flopped on the pitch, but the stuff he's said has been exactly what needed to be said the majority of the time.

As a pundit he may be correct, he's an interim manager, everything he says is deflating the squad. He can talk all he wants about what we need and useless players, but he's not the manager next season so it's pointless for him.

This was always just a bit of cash for him, even the whole other role thing. It stinks completely.

His only job should be getting a decent position this season, he's screwed it by demotivating the squad and picking shite players game after game. He's been a terrible interim manager. Probably the worst I can ever think of, done the exact opposite to what he was supposed to do.

We may as well have just kept Ole the way things have panned out.

 

[bond19821982]

You don't need to white wash Ole to say Ralf is shit. Ole was completely clueless and incompetent. A manager who wasted man 500m on dross and then, had no idea how to play them .

Ralph has been equally shit too but you can say without bringing up one of the most clueless manager in the club's history.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Its not so shortsighted when you look at the results. Solskjaer won 54% of his matches here, Rangnick has won 40%. So basically, that's a dramatic worsening of results following a manager who was sacked. Conte has won 57% and is taking club to the CL next year.

Rangnick doesn't deserve an iota of respect or patience for making us worse than we were under Solskjaer. Blaming the players is also pointless since Conte has vastly outperformed Rangnick with less quality.

Personally I think that if Conte had of came to United we'd be in exactly the same position we're in now. These players have been in their own comfort zone for way too long and any manager that tries to take them out of it is going to lose out to player power. You only have to look at Ralfs first game to see what could of been if the players had the balls to implement the work ethic required to be a professional footballer never mind a United one.

Of course it's hypothetical but I'd be willing to bet money that if Ralf had of came in instead of Ole, was given 3 years and 400m+ we wouldn't be in the situation we're in today. I'm not putting the blame all on Ole but he was so happy to be here everything was swept under the carpet and kept inhouse. The problems started from the roots and spread out to every department at the club. It was never going to be sustainable and here we are today.

Ralf seems like the sort of person who doesn't mind calling a spade a spade. He doesn't care if he's popular or not which is why he hasn't got the players onside but I think with ETH in charge and Ralf conditioning the rebuild it would be the best combination the club could have. Ralf has the experience. Let the club use it.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Honestly at this point, if ETH doesn't work out I think we might not win a premier league title for another 10 years or so.

He really is sort of like the final hope.

The only thing I'll thank Ole for, is that his tenure finally gave the club the kick up the arse it needed, to change the internal structures. We also have finally gone for a forward thinking, modern manager. I think it'll take ETH time, but hopefully he will finally have us challenging again.

 

[FriedClams]

You don't need to white wash Ole to say Ralf is shit. Ole was completely clueless and incompetent. A manager who wasted man 500m on dross and then, had no idea how to play them .

Ralph has been equally shit too but you can say without bringing up one of the most clueless manager in the club's history.

I think for a lot of people, they’d rather have suffered this full season with a club legend than half of it with a complete stranger.

 

[One Night Only]

Terrible, terrible manager give Ralf 3 years as a manager and we are relegation material.

He could take over Liverpool or man city tomorrow and they've be relegation candidates in 3 years too. He thinks he is always right, and it's always the players faults. He's just cack.

 

[Escobar]

Bad decision for not sub out Telles and Bruno earlier, while making Bruno captain and assign him as penalty taker.

And insist on Telles and Dalot. They cost us every time

 

[Lemoor]

Defensevly both Dalot and Telles are genuine contenders for worst full backs in the league, yet he uses them as much as possible.
Terrible, terrible manager give Ralf 3 years as a manager and we are relegation material.

Whom is he supposed to play then? Injured Shaw or massively in-form Wan-Bissaka?

 

[AndySmith1990]

I think for a lot of people, they’d rather have suffered this full season with a club legend than half of it with a complete stranger.

Solskjaer would still be saying everyone is amazing and he couldn't wish for a better group of lads to work with. It became so boring hearing his cliches and platitudes

 

[One Night Only]

I think for a lot of people, they’d rather have suffered this full season with a club legend than half of it with a complete stranger.

Yep, atleast Ole shown a bit of passion, and managed to get the lads fired up to take points from harder games. Ragnick looks to win against Norwich and thinks that's good enough, goes into the games against top 10 expecting a loss and has his list of excuses before the match even starts.

 

[Orange Tree]

He seems to enjoy calling out the players. Can he do the same with the referees?