dinostar77
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Us signing de jong is laughable in our present state. Any top talent would be mental to come here right now, especially with no CL football.
For £60M, what CM could we sign that's better? I understand we've got a lot to fix but he solves a big problem and makes much more sense than 100M on Rice. We're able to sign him and another midfielder for Rice's value.He'd take up about 50 to 60 percent of our budget this summer. Is that realistic when we need about 5/6 new players.
Barca won't give him away cheaply given his age and contract.
Fair enough!I wouldn't take Pogba even for free. He's not the kind of player who would be happy as a sub and I wouldn't want anybody getting in the way of Gavi and Pedri.
It just depends on what you want from your deepest midfielder. Personally, I like the press resistant ones who can instill a sense of calmness into the build up, turn away from pressing opposition instead of hoofing it or passing it to someone in a worse position, and doesn't force things forward with long balls. Instead, having the ability to carry it forward himself, playing a 1-2, or a Carrick-esque line breaking pass.Good to know, so just not appreciated at Juve then?
To add on to @Rozay 's post, I also don't think you should write off a player who struggles at a Barca or Madrid and is deemed surplus to requirements there. They could always excel elsewhere like Cesc at Chelsea, Alexis at Arsenal for example.Okay, so answer the second part of that. Why is he struggling at Barça?
I think it's all BS anyway. They literally have no need to sell him. Seems the links to him coming here is purely because of ETH and their previous work together at Ajax.Am I confused or what? Why do people want him here? He’s a quality player for sure but I thought people wanted to get away from bringing in players who do not want to be here. He loves Barca and doesn’t want to leave, even if the club tries to force him out for monetary reasons he does not want to play for Manchester United and will command a hefty price tag and a massive chunk of wages considering what he’s on at Barcelona. Let me reiterate he does not want to leave Barcelona and you want to force him here to a club he does not want to play for, would just be another mercenary here
I think the point there is the £60m. I dont see us spending that amount on anybody this summer. Rice, Bellingham, DeJong would all be brilliant signings, but this window isnt about 2/ big signings, it is I feel abou tmaking 5/6 and with a £200m budget, no room for that.For £60M, what CM could we sign that's better? I understand we've got a lot to fix but he solves a big problem and makes much more sense than 100M on Rice. We're able to sign him and another midfielder for Rice's value.
Think this line is all fan narrative and far from reality personally. Firstly, how can you sign a player who doesn’t want to sign? Every player who signs wants to be there. After that, it’s just a sliding scale from ‘always supported them as a child’ to just doing my job. Doing my job is more the fine. It’s us fans that I fee live in sole sort of delusion.Am I confused or what? Why do people want him here? He’s a quality player for sure but I thought people wanted to get away from bringing in players who do not want to be here. He loves Barca and doesn’t want to leave, even if the club tries to force him out for monetary reasons he does not want to play for Manchester United and will command a hefty price tag and a massive chunk of wages considering what he’s on at Barcelona. Let me reiterate he does not want to leave Barcelona and you want to force him here to a club he does not want to play for, would just be another mercenary here
We've also done this where signing guys like Darmian, Schneiderlin, Rojo, Blind, Schweinsteiger for low prices and making them the foundation of our squad didn't take us any further.I think the point there is the £60m. I dont see us spending that amount on anybody this summer. Rice, Bellingham, DeJong would all be brilliant signings, but this window isnt about 2/ big signings, it is I feel abou tmaking 5/6 and with a £200m budget, no room for that.
It about finding someone with similar attributes that can be moulded into a top player within the system he wishes to play. Just pluckig a name out mentioned recently seen nothing of "Enzo Fernadnez" £20m he is availble for or "Kamara" a free transfer, are they or will they be as good as DejJOng and Rice, almost certainly not, but Rice/DeJong would be virtually our whole budget, Kamara/Fernadez just 10% of it.
We havent been in the position to make 1/2 big signings since Ferguson yet we have tried to do it and not even signed well, we are not Liverpool/City where one/two big additions fininsh our side off and strengthen the squad.
It is all about making progress to weed out a lot of attitude, unhappy players, poor players, players that dont fit into the system and gettign quality players into as many of our problematic positions to improve the first eleven as possible.....do that and we can be looking at these kind of signings again, I dont think really we can be now without sacrificing signings in others, we did that in the summer signings three quality players and not a single central midfielder and it was wrong
Absolutely.We've also done this where signing guys like Darmian, Schneiderlin, Rojo, Blind, Schweinsteiger for low prices and making them the foundation of our squad didn't take us any further.
We are certainly not going to solve everything within one transfer market and that shouldn't be the mentality, I'd rather we sign the right players that push us forward. If Ten Hag deems Frenkie de Jong as one we should go for him.
We have also done it with Chicharito, SOlkjear, Rohhny JOhnsen, Irwin, Cantona etc etc, we have been fortunate with many of them of course, we have simpyl been very poor with the choices we ave made for value the alst few years. Schneiderlin was always bang average and certainly wasnt a value signing anyway, Schweinsteiger was finished, Dan James was a poor buy.We've also done this where signing guys like Darmian, Schneiderlin, Rojo, Blind, Schweinsteiger for low prices and making them the foundation of our squad didn't take us any further.
We are certainly not going to solve everything within one transfer market and that shouldn't be the mentality, I'd rather we sign the right players that push us forward. I just don't think midfield is something we should cheap out on. If Ten Hag deems Frenkie de Jong as one we should go for him. If it means we have to go big on one player that shouldn't be an issue, there are some lower-budget positions as well.
only one of those guys is prone to losing the ball regularlyPossession loss galore midfield is what that would be.
Threw a strop after being taken off today.
I'll admit I don't watch him but wasn't protection and physical ability meant to be his forte? I swear he was being heralded as the new great dutch no6.Maybe the third man in a three that is offered plenty of protection and physical ability around him to cover what he can't or doesn't do.
Yeah this does feel very much like the pointless pursuit of Fabregas in 2013, however would be happy to be proved wrongDe Jong, Fabregas, Bale... its our summer.
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It's the same chap who went with the 'exclusiva' on Varane early in the window last year.Tweet
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Yeah I remember him from that.It's the same chap who went with the 'exclusiva' on Varane early in the window last year.
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Anyone but Barca surely.Would anyone take a straight swap. Rashford for Frenkie?
He's basically just repeated what Oriol Domenech said earlier about Barca willing to except €70m. And Domenech is a reliable journo for Barca and has links to Ajax.Yeah I remember him from that.
Not very high on the Barca tier list though
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Frenkie and Donny. Let's get the gang back togetherHe's basically just repeated what Oriol Domenech said earlier about Barca willing to except €70m. And Domenech is a reliable journo for Barca and has links to Ajax.
Domenech was also the same journo who first reported Barca hijacking de Jong's move to PSG. Its been said Domenech's source was Overmars at Ajax.
The midfield composition below is something that has big potential imo.
-----------Tchouameni------
de Jong-------------------Hannibal
All three players are more than capable of dropping in as the 3rd CB in the build up phase. But Hannibal is obviously not as experienced in that regard as yet. But with that sort of midfield controlling the offensive and defensive transition in a compact high block is a real possibility with a bit of work on the training ground and raising the level of the fullbacks.
Just seems weird. Has he really been that bad ? I thought he’d been quite good since joining in multiple positions.Feels more like Barca trying to engineer interest
Absolutely without a shadow of a doubt. Terrible terrible deal for Barca though.Would anyone take a straight swap. Rashford for Frenkie?
If we can get him on those wages and for 70mEuro then I'm in. We have Bruno, Sancho, Martial, Varane, Pogba and Rashford in that bracket so it's not breaking the salary structure of the club. Ronaldo and DDG are.I don't know if its true but its reported that his wage is 250-300Kpw
Doubt we'd be able to afford both. If we get FDJ it would be Fred, Mctominay, VDB, Garner, FDJ and Bruno for 3 midfield spots. We also need to sign forward players who cost more and that we're lacking considering Cavani, Lingard and Mata going with Martial and Greenwood uncertain. The DM signing might then be a cheaper player.Him and Tchouameni would automatically make it an amazing summer
We won't even get Rice's left boot and Tielemans used jersey for that.He is good but only if we can get him around 30, 35 million. Not a penny more.
Tielemans is likely to cost less than that in the summer.We won't even get Rice's left boot and Tielemans used jersey for that.
Yeah forgot about his contract situation. Then change it to any good CM with good enough contract length.Tielemans is likely to cost less than that in the summer.