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I'm coming around to the idea of signing this player. We wont get Rice, Tchouameni or Frenkie. Kamara is the only better option and I don't see enough links to him.
Hell yes!Feck no!
Dream bigger, I see us getting both Phillips and Kamara the amount of players we're losing.I'm coming around to the idea of signing this player. We wont get Rice, Tchouameni or Frenkie. Kamara is the only better option and I don't see enough links to him.
De Jong is always in play with ETH on board.I'm coming around to the idea of signing this player. We wont get Rice, Tchouameni or Frenkie. Kamara is the only better option and I don't see enough links to him.
Agreed. just look when he was paired at the EurosPeople need to realise the system Leeds played in meant that Phillips was left on his own in the trenches taking shells most games. Had he had a CM partner he would be more highly regarded imo!
The Italians fairly gave them the runaround though. That would be one major niggling doubt I would have. If it comes to work rate and getting stuck in and inventiveness of short and long passing I like this guy for this league. I think he could ping to the wingers and Darwin in opens spaces quite effortlessly and he won’t be found jogging around off the ball.Agreed. just look when he was paired at the Euros
Quality player. He will get his big move. May be he will move to Newcastle. If the rumored 60m transfer fee is true I would love him at Arsenal.https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/player-analysis-kalvin-phillips/
This was quite a detailed player analysis and worth looking at although it's a year old.
Arsenal needs him too if we can afford him.I still think he would be an excellent transfer for United.
People are too obsessed with the notion that you need a DLP that is some kind of wizard on the ball. Given modern pressing and ball progression tactics, what is most important in these systems is that everybody in the back six (back four plus DM plus keeper) be above a certain level, not that any one player be Pirlo or Scholes. Whether pressing high or even in a mid block, opponents can design their press to force the ball away from a Pirlo and toward the weakest link anyway. You can see this with ETH's teams - it was great when he had FDJ, but now he has a much more limited CDM in possession and its not really a problem.
What you really need is a guy who can do the defensive work off the ball, both in terms of covering ground as a lone holding midfielder and understanding how to counterpress in a high block, and be good enough on the ball. Sure, ideally you'd like the guy to be excellent on the ball. But good enough can get you far enough.
I also think its important to bring a player into this role who can hit the ground running, because its hard to implement a new tactical system like ETH's if the guy in this role is learning from scratch.
Phillips is also widely considered to have an excellent mentality and really good character in the dressing room, and United could use some more of those.
Have you done a survey?People need to understand tribalism is dying.
I would definitely take him.Arsenal needs him too if we can afford him.
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Name a transfer we have made that a) we had serious competition for the player and b) we never paid stupid fee or wages for? None. Both these players have loads of suiters - Rice wants Chelsea and Tchoumani wants Real Madrid. Plus that will be 70+ for Tchoumani and what for Rice? 90-120 mill? Are we going to pay that and will they come to a team in freefall and not in Champions league? I think fans need to wake up and realize we cant attract top players - unless we pay stupid fees and have no competitionWe aren't? Oh that's news to me!
Can I see the confirmed transfer press release. Would love to know what team they've gone to! What a coup for that team!
But isn't he a target based on his performances for Leeds?People need to realise the system Leeds played in meant that Phillips was left on his own in the trenches taking shells most games. Had he had a CM partner he would be more highly regarded imo!
These guys' ability to play the pivot in a 4-3-3 is also all projection. By far, Phillips has much better experience than either in terms of developing his game within a similar role and system to ETH's.Rice wants Chelsea and Tchoumani wants Real Madrid. Plus that will be 70+ for Tchoumani and what for Rice? 90-120 mill?
In reality Edu will probably go for Éderson from Salernitana. A much cheaper option if Salternitana relegate.I would definitely take him.
Oh totally agree but think it's a no goI would rather add a bit more and go for De Jong. Not the same type, but we will only spend big on one midfielder, i would rather De Jong in that case.
No. I’ll wait for him to turn us down in public because we are Manchester United and his family are die hard Leeds. Whilst his offspring now support Man City.Have you done a survey?
what's concerning about his injury record?I think he’s a pretty good player and could end up doing very well for us under ETH if we do get him that is.
Reading about people’s doubts around Phillips’ fit and talent (although the injury record is a concern) reminds me of that time when posters here were raising concerns about Van Dijk and Mane at Southampton as potential transfer targets. Not saying that he’ll become world class like them, but imo he can definitely take that step up.
Leeds are gung-ho. I wouldn’t read too much into it.Leeds are pretty porous even with him in there.
This is all well and good but the problem is..Phillips is not "above a certain level" on the ball. It's not even about wizardry. At least not with respect to where Manchester United should be aiming for. He's pretty much average at best which is backed up statistically.I still think he would be an excellent transfer for United.
People are too obsessed with the notion that you need a DLP that is some kind of wizard on the ball. Given modern pressing and ball progression tactics, what is most important in these systems is that everybody in the back six (back four plus DM plus keeper) be above a certain level, not that any one player be Pirlo or Scholes. Whether pressing high or even in a mid block, opponents can design their press to force the ball away from a Pirlo and toward the weakest link anyway. You can see this with ETH's teams - it was great when he had FDJ, but now he has a much more limited CDM in possession and its not really a problem.
What you really need is a guy who can do the defensive work off the ball, both in terms of covering ground as a lone holding midfielder and understanding how to counterpress in a high block, and be good enough on the ball. Sure, ideally you'd like the guy to be excellent on the ball. But good enough can get you far enough.
I also think its important to bring a player into this role who can hit the ground running, because its hard to implement a new tactical system like ETH's if the guy in this role is learning from scratch. Phillips has spent his whole adult career learning football from Bielsa, with highly tactical possession strategies and lots of high pressing out of possession.
Phillips is also widely considered to have an excellent mentality and really good character in the dressing room, and United could use some more of those.
He is a target because scouts are supposed to look at not only how he plays in the system/formation he is in but mostly at his individual ability.But isn't he a target based on his performances for Leeds?
Exactly!Agreed. just look when he was paired at the Euros