Why do the cult boys shy away from the word cult?
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Extremely bizzare.
I've said that the Ralf cultists are the strangest set of fanboys I've ever witnessed at the club. Jose, Ole, Martial, Pogba etc have all had staunch followers but at least each of them did something at a point in time to earn a loyal fanbase. Ralf has been a failure from the start but somehow has a group of supporters that see no evil when it comes to him.
What's crazy about it is the lies and dishonesty. Many on here have said top four was a long shot when we got him, @Samid has had to repeatedly show the PL table when he joined to disprove that. Then you have the group that says "no manager could have done anything with these players", I mean we literally saw Carrick get two wins and a draw in 3 tough games when he took over. Its crazy the lengths people will go to absolve him of on pitch actions.
His off the pitch 'success' is what cannot be proved. Many of these changes could have easily been thought of by Murtough and Arnold, who might I add are the ones actually responsible for the off the pitch changes. Ralf's consultancy doesn't even start until his interim management ends.
Nah, I just counter the bullshit "Should have kept Ole" nonsense, there's plenty on this page alone.
Unlike you, I have no dog in this fight. They're both shite. As you said; call a spade a spade
He's been a terrible manager.
No 2 ways about it.
He got dealt with a tougher job than any of our previous managers post SAF. The situation with Geenwood didn't help and we loaned out players that could have helped.
But, we still had a squad good enough to get top 4 regardless.
Will all due respect to Jones, he's not in a position to command anything. I get that he wants to play, but the fact that he's still employed by the club is a disgrace.
And I think it's clear some of our players hate Ralf and vice-versa. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Ten Hag.
Nobody says we should have kept Ole. This is nonsense people like you keep repeating.Nah, I just counter the bullshit "Should have kept Ole" nonsense, there's plenty on this page alone.
Unlike you, I have no dog in this fight. They're both shite. As you said; call a spade a spade
The squad he inherited is not good. Its toxic. 10 leaving, many crocks and then one superstar. That's literally his bunch.
Even though the post I quoted from you literally alluded to Ole's reign. And someone literally said "we should have kept Ole" on this or the last page. And everyday, similar conversations occur. But apart from that, you're eh spot on buddy old pal
Rangnick has obviously been a terrible manager and had no impact on improving the team. But I have no issue with admitting I don't care about that. We have been in such a mess for such a long time that I feel it's time to be less narrow minded and look beyond simply changing the manager and signing 2-3 players in the hope things drastically change.
My gut feeling is that Rangnick gas thrown in the towel and he's had enough of many of the players; he can't be arsed with them and he can't wait for the final game to be over so he never has to see them again. I'm fine with that because I have the same contempt towards most of our players. The hope that I cling on to is that he does know what it takes to implement a successful structure at a football club and he has demonstrated he has knowledge and can be impartial when talking about changes that need to happen in order for us to improve. That's what we need; and if the CEO listens to him and takes onboard even some of his advice which in turn helps us improve the way this club is run, then in my book Rangnick's time here has been worthwhile.
My gut feeling is that Rangnick gas thrown in the towel and he's had enough of many of the players; he can't be arsed with them and he can't wait for the final game to be over so he never has to see them again. I'm fine with that because I have the same contempt towards most of our players. The hope that I cling on to is that he does know what it takes to implement a successful structure at a football club and he has demonstrated he has knowledge and can be impartial when talking about changes that need to happen in order for us to improve. That's what we need; and if the CEO listens to him and takes onboard even some of his advice which in turn helps us improve the way this club is run, then in my book Rangnick's time here has been worthwhile.
A very fair post.
At the point he inherited it, it was definitely in disarray and it had too many players out of form.
This season was over the moment we didn't sack Ole after the 5-0 defeat to Liverpool. It sent an awful message.
People say we may as well have kept Ole as a reflection of how bad Ralf has been. That doesn’t mean they’re saying he shouldn’t have been sacked. But I’m sure you know this already.Even though the post I quoted from you literally alluded to Ole's reign. And someone literally said "we should have kept Ole" on this or the last page. And everyday, similar conversations occur. But apart from that, you're eh spot on buddy old pal
I think that reflects very poorly on Rangnick. He stuck with this group refusing to entertain playing youngsters, even though he twigged they could not implement his style of play very early, because he thought they were the best chance he had of salvaging the season and might even give him an angle to the full time gig. Now they’ve unsurprisingly capitulated because we’ve started to play the better teams and he’s not even making an effort with them. As much as I dislike the playing group this is the exact type of attitude we have to rid the club of from top to bottom. It makes me question how much we should trust his views on the game going forward.
We always blame the managers. Have you lot not learned anything? yes the results have been shite. Two managers in one season had problems with the players. But if youre not excited about this tearing the clubs structure down and building from scratch I'd say youre lying. And it all started from when Ralf came in. That I will always see as something positive and I am sure I will look back on it and say it had been worthwhile. I dont think any other intertim would have had the balls to call out the players, risking his reputation and getting fired, especially if its someone like Carrick or any other United related people, then we go to next season doing the same things, the very definition of insanity.
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It does, but we knew he was a poor manager before he came in. His CV told us in black and white.
His views on club running however are very good on his CV, so you shouldn’t really rule out his consultancy work based on how he performed in a largely unrelated role.
Ok, so they are saying it? Great, glad you accept that. So, in turn, people will counter such bullshit... but I'm sure you already know this.
That’s what was knocking around in the back of my head. Assuming we are acting on his consultancy now in terms of structure and that we can use his Red Bull connections to hoover up talent. But even then, it feels wrong to not have him hold the can along with the players for how this season has ended.
It’s very possible that the originally pencilled in plans saw him more hands on than we now know he’ll be given the Austria role. He’s definitely somebody I’d pay attention to if he was telling me how he feels the machine should work, but not necessarily if he was the one working with it.
I guess in my analogy he’s an engineer who’s a rubbish driver or something like that. He’s got lots of bright ideas on how to fix or make an engine but there’s every chance he’ll steer immediately into a wall.
So 12.
In fairness those managers were Solskjaer and someone who has barely coached in the last decade and hadn't really achieved anything before then, it's not exactly been Guardiola and then Klopp. There's a huge chunk of this squad that needs shifting but I still think there are a few more players who can be revived under a good coach than we've seen this season. People seem to think that there can only be one problem at a time when at the moment there are issues at every level at United from the players to the coaching to football structure above, we're seeing moves to improve the last two and hopefully this window we can improve the former.
How the Rangnick appointment will be judged largely depends on how involved he is as consultant and how effective he is in that role, albeit the signs are that he won't be involved much at all. If that is the case then it's been a bad appointment given that top 4 was still there. There were better interim options interviewed who could have been more pragmatic and left Ten Hag with a better situation.
The irony is, he was a hardcore Ole fanatic.
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I get the fact he may help going forward in terms of recruitment and structures but I find it proper baffling how there is even any debate about him being absolutely shite during his time here as manager.
Of course. Did Rangnick did a good job as a manager? No. Did he inherit the worst squad in term of commitment and dedication, sure did.
I couldn't care less about this season. I hope we've got a list of bad apples, players that stink up the place and players that are just not good enough and we get rid of them. That's what I expect Rangnick to do.
The club structure is being taken care off, let's hope the squad is next.
Yup, exactly. It's time to look towards the future. As I said; people getting their panties in a twist about a manager who'll be gone from the dugout in 4-games, seems ever so pointless.
Yeah, I'm quite impressed by the vitriol some people manage to conjure up. The overriding emotion from me is complete apathy. The players tossed it off ages ago, the manager seemingly did as well, and a lot of the fans (including myself) lost interest a couple of months back. Even when top four was still possible it was difficult to summon any interest because these players make it very difficult to support them.
Ralf's time in charge as manager has been shite, but there are so many problems with this club, and it's been this way for so long, I really can't muster up any animosity towards him. I'm just completely neutral when it comes to Rangnick.
The last manager I really, really disliked was Jose. I didn't dislike Ole, because it was so apparent that our problems run deeper. The only thing with Ole was that he was clearly not good enough, and that was frustrating to witness, but it was clear he wasn't the problem. Obviously, he wasn't the solution, either.
I see the players briefs have reached their favorite journalists who're preparing to lay into rangnick.
Do these knobs realize that most of the fans see through the shenanigans and are actually not prepared to jump on the rangnick-is-entirely-at-fault bandwagon ?
Do these knobs realize that most of the fans see through the shenanigans and are actually not prepared to jump on the rangnick-is-entirely-at-fault bandwagon ?
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What does it matter that one match preparation was poor, when the players serve up the same shit football regardless, and won't listen to instructions anyway. Reeks of players desperate to not lose face.
Try reading the post again.
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Nice critique of Rangnick’s time here. It also mentions how he had absolutely nothing to do with the removal of our scouts, this “he was brought in to review the club” narrative on here has absolutely no basis in reality and hasn’t been reported by any reputable source. The opposite in fact has been reported.
He was blowing out of his ass as well. Taking him off was the correct decision.
The wheels started coming off when he had the nerve to make them work harder and made them fight for their place in the team. You know. Like a properly run football club but our players didn't fancy the extra work involved and decided to start their holidays early.
Saying our players where still hungry and hadn't checked out is just fantasy. The dressing room was obviously broken well before Ralf came in.
Also, the fact that he is ahead Bailly in the pecking order is a bit strange.
You obviously don't comprehend stuff very well.
As I said, a bizarre lot. He was brought in to manage the team, he hardly cared for either the team or individual players, and was a spectacular failure.
He is lauded by cultists for structural changes in United which has been really initiated by Murtough, the DOF, who is also the man who hired Ralf in the first place.
If Murtough is as pragmatic as he seems then having Ralf as his mouthpiece is an astute move. Behind the scenes no one outside the club had any idea what was going on. The only thing that was obvious was it didn't work.
Now, thanks to Ralf the whole world knows what we're like as a club which should give Murtough more time now we know the extent of our rebuild from top to bottom. 3D chess from Murtough.
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