Leicester didn’t win the league with 442 either.
Best team in PL history my a*se
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Played 433 a lot that season.
Vds
Brown
Vidic
Rio
Evra
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Err, literally never?
Can we create a Caf safe space for them?
Literally Fergie's last season and that wasn't the only time.
Preferably outside the caf.
United could have signed off the Fergie era by beating Chelsea's then-record points tally if those remaining 4 games they played after they clinched the title. Those included big clashes against Arsenal and Chelsea by the way, important fixtures regardless of what's at stake.
And yet, despite also being out of every other competition at this point, you think they took it easy?
Absolute nonsense.
Please also highlight these other times.
This whole ‘points tally’ debate when discussing this current Liverpool (non title winning teams) and old United (high points title winning teams) is actually stupid and lacks so much context.
The actual difference in points is a mere 2 or 3 victories.
You also have to factor in that squads are a lot deeper these days and the benefits from that will make a huge difference in turning a couple of draws into wins for the top sides. Apart from our 2008 team we never really had a stacked squad of the quality of the current Liverpool and city teams. The first teams were on par and even better in some years but you simply couldn’t stack your bench with the quality city and pool are now able to.
The actual difference in points is a mere 2 or 3 victories.
You also have to factor in that squads are a lot deeper these days and the benefits from that will make a huge difference in turning a couple of draws into wins for the top sides. Apart from our 2008 team we never really had a stacked squad of the quality of the current Liverpool and city teams. The first teams were on par and even better in some years but you simply couldn’t stack your bench with the quality city and pool are now able to.
Leicester league winners were shite, Arsenal did the double over them that year
Charlton fan telling United fans about their title winning seasons
Anyway 2000, 2001 and 2013 the league was mathematically done in April but yeah apart from those three “literally never”…..
You don't think United could've got more than two points from the games against Chelsea, Arsenal, and WBA if the league was still in the balance?
Yep, this is a pointless discussion.
Great argument lad. Doesn't change facts though does it.Charlton fan telling United fans about their title winning seasons
Coming from a United 'fan' from London as well. Cool.
2000 - Won their last 11 anyway, so zero argument that they tailed off.
2001 - Yeah possibly, still wouldn't have got remotely close to the record even if they won all their remaining games.
2013 - Deja vu? Pretty sure I discussed this in the very post you quoted. You feeling OK?
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We didn't play a traditional 4-4-2 especially in Europe. A lot of the time it became a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 because we would play Hargreaves or Giggs out wide and they would tuck in allowing Ronaldo to push up and join Rooney/Tevez as a front three.
Our 2008 side would be perfect in today's game. We have the ball playing centre half in Rio, a full back in Evra who was brilliant going forward, two central midfielders in Carrick and Scholes who could recycle possesion, workhorses in Park, Fletcher and Hargreaves who could press the opposition. Then the brilliance of Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney that could rip any team to shreds.
2000 - finished with 91 pts 18 ahead of Arsenal.
And 2001 that 6-1 smashing of Arsenal was pretty much it. Won by 10 pts in the end, but that game all but confirmed it.
Oh dear.
The West Brom game? Sure.
The other two? Debatable, Arsenal away is still a tough game and not one you would bank of Utd definitively winning that's for sure. And Chelsea knocked them out of both cups that season so their H2H record against them was patchy at best.
Seriously though - the players obviously knew Fergie was leaving before it was reported to the press as Moyes was announced the next day. People think the players wouldn't have given it a good go at trying to win out and beat the points record in Sir Alex's last season? Considering they had nothing else to play for?
And again like the point above - even if they had won out all those games that still wouldn't have bettered either City or Liverpool's 2nd best overall tallies.
Facts? It’s not facts, you’ve literally moved goalposts. You said in response to @Suedesi saying “How many times did we win the league in April not needing to push all the way”. “Literally never” its literally happened three times. And now you’re talking about record points, again moving goalposts.
You were wrong, accept it and move on.
Pathetic
Stop pretending with the ‘we’.
It's not 'moving the goalposts', the whole subject of the discussion was about points tallies, maybe go back and read the posts he was replying to and you will understand that's the entire debate?
Considering I already discussed the 2013 season in the very same post you replied to and you then mentioned this again, I'm not surprised you appear to have skipped over this very important context.
Yea I tend to forget you doing this, so fair play. The game has evolved a bit though, with the geggen press and other aspects I'm not as well versed in
I didn’t say it wasn’t related to points tallies but you suddenly mentioned “record points” tally.
Not sure why that’s even relevant. Arrogantly and incorrectly (as a charlton fan) telling United fans on a United forum how many times their team did/didn’t win the league in April is a sure fire way to get called out.
Not to get at you in particular, but this is kind of what I mean with the lack of respect those 99 and 08 sides get. As if a side with Scholes, Carrick and Hargreaves in midfield, and Ronaldo Rooney and Tevez up front would in any way struggle “to be competitive.” (Not to mention the back five we had). Especially with Ferguson who famously struggled to “adapt” to the evolution of football tactics over an extraordinarily successfully managerial career spanning almost four decades.
When another PL side wins the CL and PL in the same season in the midst of a three season run of consecutive league titles (or five out of seven if you prefer), then this discussion has more merit. City may well do so next season.
But we didn’t need the points? This is all nonsense, every single bit of it. Sir Alex knew what to do to win leagues. Look at Liverpools form after winning their league ffs. City last year didnt reach 90 with us in second.
The absolute best part of all this is a domestic cup double, CL final and 2nd is a good albeit unlucky season but the amount they talked up the quad just means they’re getting trolled worse than us
Not pretending. Listen I love rivalry. Shit talking is great - it's part of the game. I just think we are so past it, and our club has fallen so far from glory, that we don't even have the right to laugh at anyone for losing in a champions league final or by 1 point
i much prefer we win trophies and add to the trophy cabinet, rather than hope our rivals lose so we can claim we are "better."
That's just my opinion...I have a right to it. This has been the only club I've ever supported or will support, so no need to try to claim I'm not a fan.
What's with this new wave of thinking, that Utd cannot be happy that Liverpool didn't big trophies because our team is shite ? That would mean football banter comes from the top and only down. It's a sad way of going about things. I don't recognize this forum at times
Who the feck is claiming "we are better"?
Hmm... I guess things changed at this point. There was a time everyone would pray our rivals lost so we could have a bigger trophy cabinet and claim we're "better."Who the feck is claiming "we are better"?
but those days are past I guess
Also the whole "we won the treble!" You didn't Thing... living in the past and what not while we continue to suck.
Imagine if McGregor continued to shit talk Dustin Poirier or khabib because he was a double champ, meanwhile they both destroyed him and he's well past it... kinda like that.
anyway, not trying to get into it beyond this
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But we did win the Treble and they didn't.
And I'm proud of it!! I love the club. I like rivalry, I like competition in sport... all of it I love. I saw many memes and laughed at many posts about thchampions league final...But we did win the Treble and they didn't.
Just wish we'd be in a position to brag about winning rather than constantly hoping they lose so we can laugh & feel better about our sad state of affairs.
but yeah, by all means, you guys should continue to shit on them all you want - it's your right. I shouldn't have called it pathetic, it's all part of the game.
Everybody knows we're shit. Everybody knows that Liverpool are better at the minute. Everybody is going to have laugh if Liverpool lose. What's the problem?
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No problem. I changed my opinion, you can read it in the last paragraph that you quoted.
2000 for sure, which we won by 18 points
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999–2000_FA_Premier_League
Also Fergie's last - clinched in April to name but two
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Bore off you points tally clowns. Nobody cares.
If you do not enjoy laughing at Liverpool's on field misery you are NOT a United fan. Sorry I don't believe in this "fair play" "sportsmanship" blah blah bullshit when it comes to those cbuts.
Apparently you don't believe in individualism either