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They really have no knowledge at all beyond the skin deep idea behind topics do they?

If they did and actually knew the point of drag shows then they’d feel rather daft, if they actually had the self-reflection to ever feel daft.
GOP platform

Guns good
Jesus good
Abortion bad
LGBTQ bad
 

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I won't watch the vid but I guess it'll be about how the left wants to ban guns, fossil fuels and being a bigot.

Meanwhile Republicans want to ban abortions, most government aid, a lot of education, the ability to unionise
 

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I won't watch the vid but I guess it'll be about how the left wants to ban guns, fossil fuels and being a bigot.

Meanwhile Republicans want to ban abortions, most government aid, a lot of education, the ability to unionise
 

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I won't watch the vid but I guess it'll be about how the left wants to ban guns, fossil fuels and being a bigot.

Meanwhile Republicans want to ban abortions, most government aid, a lot of education, the ability to unionise
A pity. It's just a comical take on the absurdity of the current administration which, despite such mockery, is doing really well apparently.
 

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A pity. It's just a comical take on the absurdity of the current administration which, despite such mockery, is doing really well apparently.
What is the absurdity of the current administration? Genuinely curious. You cannot just point to inflation and gas prices, without recognizing that these are mostly driven by the post-pandemic situation and the war in Ukraine. I'm sure there are things that Biden could and should have done better, but has the decisions and actions taken by his administration really been "absurd" as you would put it?
 

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What is the absurdity of the current administration? Genuinely curious. You cannot just point to inflation and gas prices, without recognizing that these are mostly driven by the post-pandemic situation and the war in Ukraine. I'm sure there are things that Biden could and should have done better, but has the decisions and actions taken by his administration really been "absurd" as you would put it?
I’m personally looking forward to finding out how it relates to Q-crew Republicans
 

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I thought @Fearless was just an Israel apologist loony, but nope, he's the whole package.

Also, right wing "comedy" is so fecking embarrassing, surely any human of average intelligence can see that regardless of ideology, right?
 

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I thought @Fearless was just an Israel apologist loony, but nope, he's the whole package.

Also, right wing "comedy" is so fecking embarrassing, surely any human of average intelligence can see that regardless of ideology, right?
Yeah, thats why the likes of Ricky Gervais are so unsuccessful. Maybe he should dye his hair blue.
 

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@Fearless , I am assuming you do not like the dem platform. I am curious when is comes to core issues what you find objectionable? I ask in good faith, not trying to "gotcha!". Personally, my views on the issues (some listed below) have become more and more "progressive" over the years and I struggle to think of any reason why I ever thought differently.

1. Social Safety Net
2. Healthcare
3. Taxing strategies
4. Environmental Issues
5. Voting rights
6. Civil rights
7. Guns
8. Crime
9. etc.
 

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Dem platform...

The only thing comical about that is how much of a joke (and not the funny haha kid) that guy is. If that's what you listen to, you have a very distorted view of America. Can you summarize what you believe the Dem platform is?
 

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Yeah, thats why the likes of Ricky Gervais are so unsuccessful. Maybe he should dye his hair blue.
Hang on, I'm trying to keep track. Is Gervais a successful right-wing comedian, or is he a victim of cancel culture right-wing comedian?

Anyway, let's compare some statements.



Jeremy Corbyn is NOT a man of principal. How much more proof do you need?
He lies about his Brexit stance, does next to nothing about anti-semitism, befriends terrorists and wears a stupid Lenninist hat.

'Ever had that feeling you've been cheated?
As a Jew, I would NEVER vote for Corbyn's Labour.
 

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So Fearless is not just crazy when it comes to Israel, he's crazy all around.
 

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Hang on, I'm trying to keep track. Is Gervais a successful right-wing comedian, or is he a victim of cancel culture right-wing comedian?

Anyway, let's compare some statements.


I was referring to his comedy more so than his politics. Clearly his recent anti-woke/cancel culture laden performances could hardly be considered left wing.
 
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@Fearless , I am assuming you do not like the dem platform. I am curious when is comes to core issues what you find objectionable? I ask in good faith, not trying to "gotcha!". Personally, my views on the issues (some listed below) have become more and more "progressive" over the years and I struggle to think of any reason why I ever thought differently.

1. Social Safety Net
2. Healthcare
3. Taxing strategies
4. Environmental Issues
5. Voting rights
6. Civil rights
7. Guns
8. Crime
9. etc.
Fair enough (and many match my convictions), but I'd be interested to see what from the above list has actually been enacted with a provably good outcome. Right now, I'm seeing an America even more polarised than under Trump, with a cost of living crisis worse than under Carter, and a foreign policy that has arguably diminished your wonderful countries' standing. It's not hard to draw a straight line between the Afghanistan debacle and Putin's dick swinging in Ukraine, and the upcoming u-turn on Saudi (who even mocked Biden on their TV, refusing his phone calls) is telling. And now, even Dem blow hards like Don Lemon are beginning to navel gaze. There's only so much you can blame Trump and Putin for and I'm getting the feeling that your fellow countrymen have tagged on to this.
 

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Fair enough (and many match my convictions), but I'd be interested to see what from the above list has actually been enacted with a provably good outcome. Right now, I'm seeing an America even more polarised than under Trump, with a cost of living crisis worse than under Carter, and a foreign policy that has arguably diminished your wonderful countries' standing. It's not hard to draw a straight line between the Afghanistan debacle and Putin's dick swinging in Ukraine, and the upcoming u-turn on Saudi (who even mocked Biden on their TV, refusing his phone calls) is telling. And now, even Dem blow hards like Don Lemon are beginning to navel gaze. There's only so much you can blame Trump and Putin for and I'm getting the feeling that your fellow countrymen have tagged on to this.
Which is why I said platforms and not accomplishments. The filibuster, by allowing minority rule, has effectively neutered any significant change. The unwillingness to ditch it (it was never meant to be used this way) by the Dems is an act of cowardice and self interest. All that being said, is the better choice to root for a party whose stated goals include climate change denial, rolling back civil rights, etc.?

As far as the economy goes, this has very little to do with who is in power right now. There are no policies in place that are spiking inflation or oil prices. Greed/the pandeimc/etc. are driving this.

And finally, I have no issues with the withdrawal from Afghanistan and I would argue that what Trump did with the Kurds was more of an emboldening action. The u-turn on SA is disappointing.

Finally, as for your last point: What has the Biden admin done that has led to the current financial issues?
 

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As far as the economy goes, this has very little to do with who is in power right now. There are no policies in place that are spiking inflation or oil prices. Greed/the pandeimc/etc. are driving this.
Not to mention that it's happening all over the world. Biden doesn't control the world economy, certainly not in a year and a half.
 

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Not to mention that it's happening all over the world. Biden doesn't control the world economy, certainly not in a year and a half.
The vacillating between "He is an old man with dementia" and "He is a bond villain set on decimating the global economy" is a hell of a line to toe.
 

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The vacillating between "He is an old man with dementia" and "He is a bond villain set on decimating the global economy" is a hell of a line to toe.
I’ve got it. Senile Bond villain who teeters between brilliance and mindlessness. Like an Alzheimer’s ridden Doctor Strangelove
 

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Fair enough (and many match my convictions), but I'd be interested to see what from the above list has actually been enacted with a provably good outcome. Right now, I'm seeing an America even more polarised than under Trump, with a cost of living crisis worse than under Carter, and a foreign policy that has arguably diminished your wonderful countries' standing. It's not hard to draw a straight line between the Afghanistan debacle and Putin's dick swinging in Ukraine, and the upcoming u-turn on Saudi (who even mocked Biden on their TV, refusing his phone calls) is telling. And now, even Dem blow hards like Don Lemon are beginning to navel gaze. There's only so much you can blame Trump and Putin for and I'm getting the feeling that your fellow countrymen have tagged on to this.
What specific policies of Biden are exacerbating the challenges we are currently experiencing?
 

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Fair enough (and many match my convictions), but I'd be interested to see what from the above list has actually been enacted with a provably good outcome. Right now, I'm seeing an America even more polarised than under Trump, with a cost of living crisis worse than under Carter, and a foreign policy that has arguably diminished your wonderful countries' standing. It's not hard to draw a straight line between the Afghanistan debacle and Putin's dick swinging in Ukraine, and the upcoming u-turn on Saudi (who even mocked Biden on their TV, refusing his phone calls) is telling. And now, even Dem blow hards like Don Lemon are beginning to navel gaze. There's only so much you can blame Trump and Putin for and I'm getting the feeling that your fellow countrymen have tagged on to this.
1. Social Safety Net

Social security has been one of (if not the outright) most successful government program the US government enacted. It has prevented tens-hundreds of millions of senior citizens from falling into really bad poverty. One can only look at the effects of the great depression on the elderly and how the worst effects of every recession since have been blunted for the elderly and most vulnerable to see how successful that was.

2. Healthcare

Medicaid and related programs have been a lifeline to senior citizens and other qualifying citizens and saved lives. The profit driven healthcare system in America is proven to be a disaster. It costs more on a per person basis in America compared to countries with socialized medicine, America has hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies associated with the for-profit system and failure of the US to have healthcare in line with comparably wealthy nations has been well documented. Even honest libertarians will acknowledge that there should be nationalized coverage for catastrophic, chronic and terminal conditions.

3. Taxing strategies

The most successful period in American history economic is post-WWII to the early 1970s. This was in line with the highest tax rates and lowest inequality. Its been proven again and again that the GOP rhetoric that "tax cuts pay for themselves" is completely false. Not only has the GOP tax cut strategy been an economic disaster but contributes immensely to the increasing inequality that is exceedingly harmful.

4. Environmental Issues

Let's put aside climate change for a minute and just look at the basics. Conservatives want to deregulate industries and allow them to self-regulate. Yet that has proven to be a disaster (fatally for many citizens). Just some examples include Dupont dumping toxic chemical PFAS and avoiding responsibility, Dow Chemical dumping toxic wastewater in Michigan, and a report on all the toxic dumping of chemicals by major corporations acting within conservative deregulation schemes. It should be blatantly obvious we need regulation on environmental issues because of the inherent economic problem of negative externalities not reflected in the cost of products and the price ultimately paid by citizens and government. Even a cursory look at history, not even taking into account the problem of climate change, shows the problems with conservative economic policy in regards to the environment.

5. Voting rights

This should be self-evident why access to voting is "provably good". Voting should be equally accessible to all citizens. Yet the GOP again and again is trying to suppress voting rights meanwhile propagandizing lies about voter fraud as a reason for voter suppression.

6. Civil rights

This is another that should be self-evident. I don't need a link to prove that Jim Crows were bad, the Chinese Exclusion Act was bad, Native American vagrancy acts (let alone genocidal policies like the Trail of Tears) were bad, etc.

7. Guns

I think the gun crimes in America compared to Australia and the UK demonstrate how much better gun regulation is than allowing people unfettered, unregulated access to guns.

There are more issues here I could write pages on - the benefits of regulation vs. right wing unregulated economic disasters, why abortion rights are necessary and provably good for society, why the wealthy should not control politics, etc. I would instead ask you to provide proof that any of your conservative policies have been "provably good" for society.
 
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1. Social Safety Net

Social security has been one of (if not the outright) most successful government program the US government enacted. It has prevented tens-hundreds of millions of senior citizens from falling into really bad poverty. One can only look at the effects of the great depression on the elderly and how the worst effects of every recession since have been blunted for the elderly and most vulnerable to see how successful that was.

2. Healthcare

Medicaid and related programs have been a lifeline to senior citizens and other qualifying citizens and saved lives. The profit driven healthcare system in America is proven to be a disaster. It costs more on a per person basis in America compared to countries with socialized medicine, America has hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies associated with the for-profit system and failure of the US to have healthcare in line with comparably wealthy nations has been well documented. Even honest libertarians will acknowledge that there should be nationalized coverage for catastrophic, chronic and terminal conditions.

3. Taxing strategies

The most successful period in American history economic is post-WWII to the early 1970s. This was in line with the highest tax rates and lowest inequality. Its been proven again and again that the GOP rhetoric that "tax cuts pay for themselves" is completely false. Not only has the GOP tax cut strategy been an economic disaster but contributes immensely to the increasing inequality that is exceedingly harmful.

4. Environmental Issues

Let's put aside climate change for a minute and just look at the basics. Conservatives want to deregulate industries and allow them to self-regulate. Yet that has proven to be a disaster (fatally for many citizens). Just some examples include Dupont dumping toxic chemical PFAS and avoiding responsibility, Dow Chemical dumping toxic wastewater in Michigan, and a report on all the toxic dumping of chemicals by major corporations acting within conservative deregulation schemes. It should be blatantly obvious we need regulation on environmental issues because of the inherent economic problem of negative externalities not reflected in the cost of products and the price ultimately paid by citizens and government. Even a cursory look at history, not even taking into account the problem of climate change, shows the problems with conservative economic policy in regards to the environment.

5. Voting rights

This should be self-evident why access to voting is "provably good". Voting should be equally accessible to all citizens. Yet the GOP again and again is trying to suppress voting rights meanwhile propagandizing lies about voter fraud as a reason for voter suppression.

6. Civil rights

This is another that should be self-evident. I don't need a link to prove that Jim Crows were bad, the Chinese Exclusion Act was bad, vagrancy acts (and more) were bad, etc.

7. Guns

I think the gun crimes in America compared to Australia and the UK demonstrate how much better gun regulation is than allowing people unfettered, unregulated access to guns.

There are more issues here I could write pages on - the benefits of regulation vs. right wing unregulated economic disasters, why abortion rights are necessary and provably good for society, why the wealthy should not control politics, etc. I would instead ask you to provide proof that any of your conservative policies have been "provably good" for society.
Fantastic post. If I could Thumbs Up posts I would, but all I can do is this:

 

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1. Social Safety Net

Social security has been one of (if not the outright) most successful government program the US government enacted. It has prevented tens-hundreds of millions of senior citizens from falling into really bad poverty. One can only look at the effects of the great depression on the elderly and how the worst effects of every recession since have been blunted for the elderly and most vulnerable to see how successful that was.

2. Healthcare

Medicaid and related programs have been a lifeline to senior citizens and other qualifying citizens and saved lives. The profit driven healthcare system in America is proven to be a disaster. It costs more on a per person basis in America compared to countries with socialized medicine, America has hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies associated with the for-profit system and failure of the US to have healthcare in line with comparably wealthy nations has been well documented. Even honest libertarians will acknowledge that there should be nationalized coverage for catastrophic, chronic and terminal conditions.

3. Taxing strategies

The most successful period in American history economic is post-WWII to the early 1970s. This was in line with the highest tax rates and lowest inequality. Its been proven again and again that the GOP rhetoric that "tax cuts pay for themselves" is completely false. Not only has the GOP tax cut strategy been an economic disaster but contributes immensely to the increasing inequality that is exceedingly harmful.

4. Environmental Issues

Let's put aside climate change for a minute and just look at the basics. Conservatives want to deregulate industries and allow them to self-regulate. Yet that has proven to be a disaster (fatally for many citizens). Just some examples include Dupont dumping toxic chemical PFAS and avoiding responsibility, Dow Chemical dumping toxic wastewater in Michigan, and a report on all the toxic dumping of chemicals by major corporations acting within conservative deregulation schemes. It should be blatantly obvious we need regulation on environmental issues because of the inherent economic problem of negative externalities not reflected in the cost of products and the price ultimately paid by citizens and government. Even a cursory look at history, not even taking into account the problem of climate change, shows the problems with conservative economic policy in regards to the environment.

5. Voting rights

This should be self-evident why access to voting is "provably good". Voting should be equally accessible to all citizens. Yet the GOP again and again is trying to suppress voting rights meanwhile propagandizing lies about voter fraud as a reason for voter suppression.

6. Civil rights

This is another that should be self-evident. I don't need a link to prove that Jim Crows were bad, the Chinese Exclusion Act was bad, vagrancy acts (and more) were bad, etc.

7. Guns

I think the gun crimes in America compared to Australia and the UK demonstrate how much better gun regulation is than allowing people unfettered, unregulated access to guns.

There are more issues here I could write pages on - the benefits of regulation vs. right wing unregulated economic disasters, why abortion rights are necessary and provably good for society, why the wealthy should not control politics, etc. I would instead ask you to provide proof that any of your conservative policies have been "provably good" for society.
Thank you (and even as a conservative I agree with some of it), but I was asking what of the above have been successfully implemented by the current administration, provable by data, not sentiment.
 

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Which is why I said platforms and not accomplishments. The filibuster, by allowing minority rule, has effectively neutered any significant change. The unwillingness to ditch it (it was never meant to be used this way) by the Dems is an act of cowardice and self interest. All that being said, is the better choice to root for a party whose stated goals include climate change denial, rolling back civil rights, etc.?

As far as the economy goes, this has very little to do with who is in power right now. There are no policies in place that are spiking inflation or oil prices. Greed/the pandeimc/etc. are driving this.

And finally, I have no issues with the withdrawal from Afghanistan and I would argue that what Trump did with the Kurds was more of an emboldening action. The u-turn on SA is disappointing.

Finally, as for your last point: What has the Biden admin done that has led to the current financial issues?
So basically you're saying the Democrats have achieved absolutely nothing apart from not being Republican.
 

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Thank you (and even as a conservative I agree with some of it), but I was asking what of the above have been successfully implemented by the current administration, provable by data, not sentiment.
You posted a video with the title "We want to take away your Constitutional rights" with the comment "Dem platform". That is a far cry from simply asking what policies the Biden Admin has successfully implemented. You specifically attacked the "Dem platform" with that IQ-numbing video. I ask you again, what policies of the Dem platform do you take issue with and what conservative policies have produced "provably good" outcomes?
 

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So basically your saying the Democrats have achieved absolutely nothing apart from not being Republican.
I said they have not affected any significant change, but there are some small advances, and most importantly the possibility for transformational change exists if they have power. Already we can see what the future holds with GOP control: The complete role back of women's rights, of environmental regulations, of LGTBQ+ rights, of voting rights, and surely the ACA as well. This may be the future some want, but it not the future the majority of the country wants.
 

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You posted a video with the title "We want to take away your Constitutional rights" with the comment "Dem platform". That is a far cry from simply asking what policies the Biden Admin has successfully implemented. You specifically attacked the "Dem platform" with that IQ-numbing video. I ask you again, what policies of the Dem platform do you take issue with and what conservative policies have produced "provably good" outcomes?
Doubt we will get an answer with any specificity.
 

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Okay, let everyone speak in front of a court of law then. I'm sure there are far more delicious details that are still waiting to see daylight on your case, Bozo.

@Fearless After over 5 decades of Republican slaughtering of the American dream, I say that the country is yearning for a far stronger swing to the left in order to find parity with the best of what is done in Europe on the social front. If it wasn't for the swing to the left under FDR all the way to the Kennedy/Johnson years, the mere notion of the American dream would not even exist today.