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Frenkie to United?


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Escobar

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Unbelievably I feel sorry for a guy who is being paid millions to kick a ball (albeit millions less than he is meant to be), Barca have treated him like $%*£

Still says a lot that he would still rather fight to stay there than come to us....
Yet he does not want to leave his abusive wife so….
 

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It should be offered… not sure Barca will take it though because they’ll look at it as losing money on the transfer. They was gonna pay the 17m back in instalments if he stays.
I believe I read that can only spend a small % of their transfer revenue on players, they may need the fee to be larger in order to be allowed to bring players in.

Is there a rule to prevent Barca paying FDJ back over several years while he plays for us? Anyway, now that they have sold media rights they have the money.
 

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Of course they can, if they want to. If they're upset with him they can make him ride the bench and never play again. Make him train alone etc.

Especially in a world cup year, do you really think he wants that?
€17m or play in a WC, hardly a difficult choice
 

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And if they are right and the Ronaldo experiment fails again even under ETH? Then what?

Wait another year for ETH to re-build? Wasnt last year's performance as a team shown you enough?
Don't get me wrong. I think we'd probably be better off if he left. I'm just saying that the idea that it's impossible for Ronaldo to work and he single-handedly brought us from 2nd to 6th seems silly, I think ETH knows better then they do and it would be funny to listen to them try and rationalise how they were always right somehow if they're proven wrong.
 

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Barca make me feel as if we're a well run club in comparison. For once we're not the worst of the lot.
 

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Unbelievably I feel sorry for a guy who is being paid millions to kick a ball (albeit millions less than he is meant to be), Barca have treated him like $%*£

Still says a lot that he would still rather fight to stay there than come to us....
Poor Frenkie suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
 

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They can’t register all their shiny new signings, never mind try Lewandowski.
That's not the choice mate, he's getting the money whatever happens.

It's join MUFC or stay at Barca and potentially miss the WC.
 

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Unbelievably I feel sorry for a guy who is being paid millions to kick a ball (albeit millions less than he is meant to be), Barca have treated him like $%*£

Still says a lot that he would still rather fight to stay there than come to us....
If that is what is happening but as has been mentioned repeatedly, him stating he does not want to leave is the leverage he has to get Barca to pay him the money he is owed. Just because you say a thing it does not make it true, I love my wife but I don't always mean it when I say her new outfit looks great I just know what is best for my health.
 

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I actually think it will. There was an article last week that specifically mentioned the second lever as being the key. I can't pretend to understand this but basically if the deal goes through before that money is banked Barca would be obligated to use 70% of the transfer fee towards debt repayments leaving them with only 30% of whatever we give them which if you then deduct the deferred wages essentially would leave Barca with no proceeds to apply to their incoming deals. If they complete the deal after this payday loan hits they can use all of the transfer money for new signings, essentially it is the money for the Lewa deal and so Barca are happy to play their game of chicken with FDJ until then. Ultimately though, they are motivated to make the deal happen and once the cash comes in they can agree some sort of mutually agreeable payment plan over the back wages and once this happens Frenkie will consent to the transfer. That money is due to be in their accounts next week so we probably have another 7 days of the same stories being endlessly recycled until we find out if that is the case or not.
Yep this is clearly what is happening. Its been reported for a while that Barca need to use their "economic levers" and show a profit before they sell FDJ.

Everyone just needs to calm down and relax.
 

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FDJ doesnt want to play for United, as simple as that.

We are wasting our energy and time, instead the club should have signed a HM that wants to come to here weeks ago.
 

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That's not the choice mate, he's getting the money whatever happens.

It's join MUFC or stay at Barca and potentially miss the WC.
How is he getting the money whatever happens?
By all accounts that’s the issue right now, Barca refusing to pay his €17m
 

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I believe I read that can only spend a small % of their transfer revenue on players, they may need the fee to be larger in order to be allowed to bring players in.

Is there a rule to prevent Barca paying FDJ back over several years while he plays for us? Anyway, now that they have sold media rights they have the money.
That makes sense then, they’ll need as much as they can if they can only spend so much of it. I’m sure if they wanted to really sell him then they could come to a solution where they paid him in instalments while he’s with us. Looks like they want to keep him though as there dragging it out and not just paying up what they owe de Jong which they’ll get back anyway once we pay for him. De Jong is right in staying until he receives what he’s owed from the club because they owe him that due to him helping them out when they was struggling during the pandemic.
 

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:lol:

My cat plays hide and seek moment she sees her bath tub. Nightmare to catch her. But luckily once put into the water she remains calm.

Another nightmare begins after I bring out her sworn enemy, the hair dryer.
What kind of cats do ye two have that your giving them a bath?!?
 

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If that is what is happening but as has been mentioned repeatedly, him stating he does not want to leave is the leverage he has to get Barca to pay him the money he is owed. Just because you say a thing it does not make it true, I love my wife but I don't always mean it when I say her new outfit looks great I just know what is best for my health.
I like your example, happy wife = happy life..... still sometimes it is fun to tell her she looks like ca@p and you would trade her in for a younger model if only you could.
 

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Feels like Chinese water torture at this point. I'm close to declaring Fred and McTominay the new age Iniesta and Busquets if it means I don't have to see the momentum of this transfer go back and forth again.
 
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He doesn't have to accept it of course, he can leave. Minus the monies owed.

If he wants to stay, he'll have to accept it... the contract he has runs until 2026 and so long as Barca pay the monies by June 26 they've legally done nothing wrong.
Or he can stay and not accept anything. He has a deal that runs for years, he was kind as feck to them during Covid and he’s 100% in his right to simply stay put as per the terms of his contract.

Barça won’t/can’t allow that to happen, so they have to find a way, and he won’t accept a put cut so….

We all know what is going to eventually happen, even if you’re burying your head in the sand.
 

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We need to do whatever is necessary to get him in. Can't have Fred and McTominay starting matches.
 

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Look muppets….

This whole saga is a pre-meditated orchestration by LaPorta and the Barca executives. They are playing the long game here. Throw as much chaos into the marketplace as possible by agreeing to deals with the players and player agents, who are dying to play with Xavi at a legendary club in a great city. They see this as destabilizing their rivals and waiting until the last possible moment fecks up rival club planning.

At some point, however, they will have to deal with the selling clubs, and those clubs want cold, hard cash. No club in their right mind would accept significant deferred payments from Barca. Furthermore, the selling clubs have even more leverage because it is a World Cup year, and if players threaten to sit because they are getting their move, they risk being dropped from their national teams.

Barca has a mountain of debt to balance — 440m — before they can even register new players. On top of that, the incoming free signings will be on high wages as well. Although they have raised cash through the pre-sale of TV revenues, that comes in as a one-time cash injection on the balance sheet, but remember they have sold those revenues, so they will not appear on their operating income. According to LaLiga rules, wages can only be 60% of club revenues, so your operating income base just went down…

Basically, it’s like those convenience stores that give cash in advance for borrowers with stable jobs — the paycheck advance model. The borrower gets an advance of funds, the repayment is promised as a lien on wages, plus 15%. Therefore the cycle continues…

‘The only way Barca is going to get out of this is to sell assets and reduce payroll. They know it and everyone else does too.

My prediction is that all of these new signings will not be registered (a la Messi last year), they’ll sell as many assets as they can and the smart clubs with cash will be waiting on this til the end of the window or the registration deadline, whichever comes first.
 

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I genuinely believe we will get to 1000 pages on this saga. 293 more pages to go. I imagine half of those will be more of the same shit served up by Romero on how it's "IMMINENT" or "VERY VERY HOT" or "95% DONE" or whatever bullshit he can think of next.
 

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At this point, his best scenario is they can keep their head financially above water. The rest is a political battle.
He can blame the problem on the previous regime.
The previous regime isn’t the one trying to purchase Raphinha and Lewandowski despite being unable to register players.
 

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Look muppets….

This whole saga is a pre-meditated orchestration by LaPorta and the Barca executives. They are playing the long game here. Throw as much chaos into the marketplace as possible by agreeing to deals with the players and player agents, who are dying to play with Xavi at a legendary club in a great city. They see this as destabilizing their rivals and waiting until the last possible moment fecks up rival club planning.

At some point, however, they will have to deal with the selling clubs, and those clubs want cold, hard cash. No club in their right mind would accept significant deferred payments from Barca. Furthermore, the selling clubs have even more leverage because it is a World Cup year, and if players threaten to sit because they are getting their move, they risk being dropped from their national teams.

Barca has a mountain of debt to balance — 440m — before they can even register new players. On top of that, the incoming free signings will be on high wages as well. Although they have raised cash through the pre-sale of TV revenues, that comes in as a one-time cash injection on the balance sheet, but remember they have sold those revenues, so they will not appear on their operating income. According to LaLiga rules, wages can only be 60% of club revenues, so your operating income base just went down…

Basically, it’s like those convenience stores that give cash in advance for borrowers with stable jobs — the paycheck advance model. The borrower gets an advance of funds, the repayment is promised as a lien on wages, plus 15%. Therefore the cycle continues…

‘The only way Barca is going to get out of this is to sell assets and reduce payroll. They know it and everyone else does too.

My prediction is that all of these new signings will not be registered (a la Messi last year), they’ll sell as many assets as they can and the smart clubs with cash will be waiting on this til the end of the window or the registration deadline, whichever comes first.
They can't even yet register Christensen or Kessie whom they already signed on free let alone Raphinha who is more or less done. And that is not taking into account their interest in B. Silva or Kounde or Lewa. I suspect they definitely have to sell someone no matter how many "Levers" they use.
 

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I genuinely believe we will get to 1000 pages on this saga. 293 more pages to go. I imagine half of those will be more of the same shit served up by Romero on how it's "IMMINENT" or "VERY VERY HOT" or "95% DONE" or whatever bullshit he can think of next.
Fans clamour for contant updates each and every single day, so he gives updates and the. *shock horror* there isn’t any because y’know real life doesn’t happen like it does in video games & he gets accused of “spreading bullshit”
 

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Barca are insane trying to sign Raphinha and Lewa and others. Their plan should be to spend the least amount of money needed to keep them competitive enough for 4th in La Liga. They’ll claw their way out of most of this debt in 5 years that way and can start building more competitive sides. You also never know what comes out of their academy during that time.
 

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He was out of contract a few weeks.

The contractual pay he was on vs the new deal is 40% less. That is reported literally everywhere, a simply google search confirms it.

Basically if he was on 100k up to the point of the old contract expiring, he is now on 60k... 40% pay cut.
Brilliant business. Get him to take a 40% pay cut and they’re not allowed to register him for the league.
 
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