He was on the losing end of the Europa League final against us. Maybe he never let it go.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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as long as you are happy with a tielemans / Neves midfield at 85m sure. Only players we have been linked to, possibly sangare but we have not been linked to him in any meaningful way bar a few fans, so I don’t think we will see it. Could we buy those two? Yeah but if you think either of those deals gets done fast you are beyond optimistic
Thats literally not true. English tier 1 journalist have said he doesn’t want to leave without settling deferred wages and Spanish journalists are not mentioning the deferred wages when they mention he doesn’t want to leave because they are Barca mouthpiece and cant risk upsetting Barca board.
If you are referencing the Sport article, then they have mentioned below things in last week.
1. He is open to move to United
2. He prefers United over Chelsea
3. He doesn’t want to join United at any cost
Lluis Canut had been saying 3, weeks before Sport
How can any other transfer be worse than this one?
- Took ages to agree a fee with Barcelona
- Player kept saying he doesn't want to leave
- We agree a fee with Barcelona but apparently he doesn't want to leave
- Barcelona is now basically bullying him into joining us and he's still not here.
If he rejects us this is hands down the worse saga and will be the most embarrassing one too.
Clubs only speak to agents so no one bothers to complain anymore because it's impossible to prove.
theuy do as has been pointed out, it seems his contract pays more of his wage in the final years, with no provision for recovering the deferred wages if he is sold. If this was the case , it was an absolute masterstroke by barcas lawyers. The only way he gets that money is by telling barca to pay up or he stays. This is what all the bluster is over.
We're now paying Barcelona's players salary now. Yet another feather in Murtough's cap.
Hmm getting on that plane rather suggests that Xavi wont freeze him out. He's not staying put. He's not going. It's just a clusterfek for the club.
Some older Sagas took much longer like Tevez and Berbatov, Sancho took over a year to complete. Sneijder took around a decade and he still didn't sign.
We are paying add-ons money upfront to make the deal go through. Strange take
The Fabregas one was almost this exact scenario, except there was zero chance Fabregas actually wanted to come, and they refused to sell too!
It was the peak of the Moyes & Woodward embarrassment era.
Please don't feed the devilish!
it's Friday have a beer and smile. Life is good and all this will work its way out very shorltyWe are so fecked if all we're relying on is frenkies relationship with ETH to not feck him over
And? Ducker, Ornstein and Stone are absolutely reliable and they haven’t mentioned anything like that. Should we just believe negative ? Its quite clear what the hold up is and we have increased upfront money as well.
tbh they are reliable....but from our end. I doubt they have the scoop on what FDJ been saying
I see the meltdown is in full swing 
"we"?
Thats fair enough I just hope we have a contingency plan if this ends up going south.
We’ve been poor in midfield for years and have just lost Pogba and Matic we should be signing 2 regardless in my opinion.
Thrown in a fiver, why not?
I get that but player refusal is absolutely bollocks story. No way our entire machinery will be involved in a deal if player has told us that he would rather die than join us. FDJ agent have said that he wants to stay to press because they are in middle of battle with Barca for deferred wage payment. Its in their interest to keep saying that. Ducker and co will report what conversation United and FDJ team had which wont be there with Barca journalist. Not a single Spanish journalist is reporting about deferred payments. Its mostly that he wants to stay which FDJ team has repeatedly told them
This is unprecedented situation and normal press briefing should not be taken as gospel. Its quite clear why Spanish and English journalist have different version and why FDJ team will feed stories of his intention to stay
Without knowing the intricacies around the deal, I speak here as an accountant. Any sort of clause converting the deferred wages into a “loan owed to FDJ” couldn’t work and it would defeat the intent of the restructure which was to “save wages in line with the La liga approved wage bill ratio to income” (something along those La liga lines.
From an accounting and legal standpoint, if such a clause existed whereby those wages were still owed to FDJ for, as an example, the 2020 and 2021 seasons, Barca would have needed to account for those wages - ie there would not have been a reduction in their wage bill.
Instead, they “deferred” it in such a manner that his earnings in year 1 and 2 were much less, only for his years 3-6 earnings being increased from his original base plus the “deferred earnings” from years 1 & 2. i.e. FDJ will actually only legally be due those wages over the next 4 years if his contract.
What Barca are doing by trying to sell him and not pay him those deferred wages is obviously against the spirit/intent of the agreement. FDJ (& others), helped them out when they were in a tough spot & now they’re trying to stab him in the back.
I know they owe Messi and Pique money as well but I’m not sure what those payments were for/or how they structured those agreements. Messi’s we’re loyalty bonuses or something, iirc.
Despite literally nothing changing.I see the meltdown is in full swing
Think some people need to take a break from this thread/forum for the sake of their own mental health.
Is it true that if you write Juventus three times, he appears?
Bloody hell, some of our lot are a miserable bunch. Always something to moan about.I see the meltdown is in full swing
Barca aren't going to pay his wages owed upfront as then others will come forward and demand the same surely?
This could legitimately be dead in the water me thinks.
Yes. You just have to mention Fletcher once though.
So what you're saying is... anything from Spain is absolutely reliable, whilst anything from the English media is rubbish.
Gotcha
Meltdown FC.
A lot of you would be much happier not refreshing this topic 700x per day.
A lot of you would be much happier not refreshing this topic 700x per day.
I'll never cease to be surprised by how willing our fans are to be miserable.
We have an opportunity to sign a player who is absolutely perfect for the way we want our team to play. A game changer, someone we wouldn't even have considered as a possibility 6 months ago.
Because this hasn't gone smoothly we have 31,000 posts of mainly bitching and moaning from a group of people all too desperate to find something to be unhappy about, and to hate the club for.
An embarrassment to this club, and yourselves.
We have an opportunity to sign a player who is absolutely perfect for the way we want our team to play. A game changer, someone we wouldn't even have considered as a possibility 6 months ago.
Because this hasn't gone smoothly we have 31,000 posts of mainly bitching and moaning from a group of people all too desperate to find something to be unhappy about, and to hate the club for.
An embarrassment to this club, and yourselves.
It’s not a master stroke by Barca - they are the one’s now saddled with a contract they want to get out of.
My chlorophyll infused friend... did you expect anything more when a single tweet saying he's on the tour, by some random Spaniard that no ones ever heard of?I see the meltdown is in full swing
I think they should take a break for OUR mental health.
All because a man might get in a plane tomorrow. Hilarious.
It is very strange considering our recent history of swift and excellent transfer business.
I naively thought folk might wait for a second source or May see what actually happens tomorrow before losing their shit. More fool me.
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