Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Carrick only really has longevity on Essien. Essien didn’t do it as long but his peak was way higher than Carricks.
Exactly…Apparently he was but I’d suggest only on a United forum. Nowhere else would a claim that he was a good player but not great be seen as outlandish.
Im not sure to be honest. It may be Frenkie has said hed only move if hes seriously pushed out, but then we have to consider where his mental state would be when he moves.
Im all for pursuing players even if we may not be an ideal choice for them, but this sounds like he's forced against his will.
My hope is this is just the player wanting assurances on the money hes owed from Barca before leaving. But at this stage who knows.
Why aren’t they doing everything necessary to pay him what’s owed, it does nobody any good the longer this drags on. If it’s not the money and FdJ generally doesn’t want to come then we should have left this deal weeks ago.
Pretty sure that we agreed to a higher guaranteed fee, but there was no stipulation that they had to use it to pay de Jongs wages?
I remember something a while ago that said Barca would definitely accept a €75m + €12m fee, which they seem to have done so. They just don't want to sort de Jongs wages out. I'm guessing they're hoping that he just gives up and accepts his loss and moves on... thats not gonna happen. You have to admit, for a player that doesn't want to leave, who loves the club and wants to help them, he's more than happy to see them face financial ruin by refusing another cut to stay. Ironic really isn't it, and just adds to the fact that there is more to this than the media knows
I’m taking Carrick over Essien whatever day of the week it is.
Essien was a very good player, too.
Very different players, but I would be pretty confident if you ran a poll outside United fans Essien would easily win that battle. I wasn't super active on this board, but I was on another fairly good sized United board at the time and Carrick wasn't even widely appreciated amongst United fans. I was personally a big fan of Carrick, but I spent a lot of time debating a lot of others on that site that disagreed.
I think this will end with FdJ accepting a lower salary but not much. Maybe 85% of original salary with an extension of one more year to make up for the loss.
- Barca gets to show FfP that they’re lowering existing players contracts
- FdJ gets to stay at his dream club and live in his new home.
- Xavi keeps his player
- Redcafe fans will have wasted 1000 pages of posts.
- Barca gets to show FfP that they’re lowering existing players contracts
- FdJ gets to stay at his dream club and live in his new home.
- Xavi keeps his player
- Redcafe fans will have wasted 1000 pages of posts.
Can't say i agree with this, as if we were being used as a "Just in case" scenario, then i'm pretty sure we'd just say no thanks and look elsewhere. For us to stay, and for ten Hag to push so hard for the player, there is definitely assurances there, and there is something more going on. Maybe the whole "if he leaves, he forfeits his pay and backpay" clause in his contract does exist? Maybe he's got loyalty bonuses that he'd lose if he said he wanted to leave. Maybe he wants assurances from Barca that he's going to get all the money owed to him before he leaves?
Theres a lot of maybes here, but thats the reality of it. He could be asked several times if he wants to leave, and until everything is sorted and he's happy he's going to get what he's owed, his response will always be "I want to stay" because, at the moment, thats the only way he's getting his money
Again thats not going to happen. His wage is that high that they need to lower it by over 50% so i've read, and it's not legally possible to do that.
To fall into line with FFP, they need his wages gone, they need to sell him and thats pretty much how it's going to be. He won't take another cut, he's already (according to reports) completely ruled that out. Plus adding an extra year is just pushing the can further down the road... solves nothing just delays the inevitable. Plus if he has a crap couple of seasons or really doesn't perform, then they have a stupidly highly paid player, that probably won't sell and they'd be screwed in my opinion
The game, and the position of winger has evolved. By todays standards Beckham and Giggs really aren't wingers, because the modern winger is basically a striker, or at least playing level with them, and playing a more inside and the fullbacks are the ones hugging the touchline. Beckham and Giggs were RM and LM, but they played on the wings, hugging the touchline and providing service. They were definitely more wingers than midfielders, but if you plunked them into the modern game, I don't know where they would play or what you would call them, but probably not wingers.
feck it, we’ve got savage and zidane now
Carrick was the system. You watch the game, you don’t see Carrick. You watch Carrick, you see the whole game. Only true tactical savants with real knowledge of the intricacies of the game will realise he was an all time great midfielder who rivals Busquets and Redondo.
Carrick used to get shit on here if I recall right
The original spacegoat, yeah
Living off credit.
Living in a camper, lambo in the driveway type of club.
Honestly, at this point in the saga, if the manager hasn't been given pretty strong encouragement he should have pulled the plug by now, and if that is the case it reflects pretty poorly on him... Granted de Jong and his agent could be stringing ten Hag along, but that seems to work counter to him being dead set on staying no matter what. If he doesn't want to be forced out then telling United to piss off would end Barcelona's chance of selling to us.
May have been 442 on paper, but we were so dominant it was basically 424, with Giggs and Beckham as wide forwards.
Ridiculous to compare Giggs and Beckham to the job that Carrick did!
Sure, but then why add him to the tour? Im confused at what Barca are playing at if hes being pushed out and he wants to come, but wants his money. What sort of move is including him on the tour?
I saw the rumor. Same question pertains for me. You could even move the numbers down to say median income.
$55k per year. Asked to take $30k per year to help the company thru covid but to be paid in full in a year or two.
Company then says they need to let you go to make ends meet. They refuse to pay you the $30k owed and hire a couple new employees for a different team.
If a new job offer comes in and you're able to recoup $15k do you leave the rest of it on the table or do you dig your heels in.
Whether it's millions of dollars of tens of thousands there is absolutely no place to let that money go.
FDJ has to be paid in full.
When they can't even agree between themselves what the hell is going on, what chance do any of the players and the coach. They are an absolute shite show of club. Kick the can down the road, deal with it at a later date and just pull another few levers.
Mes que un joke
Yeah, they're pretty much sh*tting on him and I wouldn't consider leaving without 100% of what I'm owed if I were him.
Barcelona make Woodward look like a steady hand on the wheel...FFS
So after Arnold and Murtaugh leaves Barca, they go off and sign Raphinha, Lewandowski, extend dembele, get close to Lounge and have a pre agreement with Bernardo Silva? Either they just got a creative accounting lesson or they know they're getting a large sum in (not just the levers as that doesn't account for what they can register).
In their minds, he's already gone. Barca know this ends up in some sort of payment or the courts, but FDJ is not in their thinking.
The Fart has spoken. Usually it brings bad luck to the Caf.
Romano has given the "here we go" to Lewandowski transfer. Something has to give soon.
The 'redcafe' irony of leaving the club.
As soon as player leaves the club, his reputation increases , exponentially if he retired from the club.
In next two seasons, we will see loads of posts about Mata, Lingard , Matic and Pogba.
Well who knows with Barcelona... One says he won't be sold, one says he doesn't have to be sold, one says they really want him but they have no option but to sell him. So nothing they are saying or doing quite adds up. I can only imagine that they think leaving him at home while he's still their player and he's saying he doesn't want to go makes them look worse than even they are comfortable with. They want to paint it that they were forced to sell because of La Liga and the greedy player.
A different opinion to this guy (still one of the worst posts (or wums) I’ve seen on the Caf)…
But Barcelona don’t want him to stay. And him staying on his next season’s salary will be disastrous for them. Something clearly has to give at some point. The new season starts in a matter of weeks, we will see if their new players are registered or not.
Can't see how on earth he gets it
Words that will definitely cause a meltdown
Bank transfer probably.
I think he will go on tour. Too much bad press to leave him out
If we pull out of this after the ink is dry on Lewandowski and Raphina….. they would be totally fecked right?
So even if this falls apart; there’s a silver lining.
So even if this falls apart; there’s a silver lining.
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