Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.

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Sorry a lot of pages have passed since I last saw this

What’s the context to him potentially forcing a move?
£80m offer rejected. Ajax have been waiting for him to turn up to training.

Meanwhile, outside Old Trafford....


 

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We have to accept, due to our own incompetence earlier, that we're definitely going to get fleeced this window. The big thing will be to try and keep salaries reasonable
And make sure we're getting fleeced for the right players.
 

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Ajax rejecting £68m will be fully aware of the possibility we get pumped by Liverpool and come back with £80m.
 

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Situationally, from a standing start or on a burst of acceleration, but he doesn’t have raw ‘oh my god, he’s going to roast me’ pace that you want somewhere in a frontline, preferably.

If it’s not coming from the frontline, then at least have it in your fullbacks for that element of sheer terror and dread that keeps flanks honest.

We really need some top notch utilisers of the ball through the middle of the pitch to feed outwards and negate some of those pace issues should we land this guy and have a frontline of he, Sancho and… Ronaldo.
Well we won't be playing any counter attacking football under ETH so standing start or burst of acceleration is exactly what we need.
 

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I really don’t understand the hype around Antony. Doesn’t look like an 80m player by any standards. But atleast happy that our club is backing our manager.
 

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Because Dortmund have come out he's not for sale. Guess what, Ajax would be more likely to let Antony go at a price that you'd also consider a fair price as well next season. Why is it fine when Dortmund has that approach, but not when Ajax does? Ajax clearly stated it didn't want to sell Martinez and Antony this season. Yet you've kept chasing these players. That's why you're overpaying for them. If you're after players not for sale it's going to take crazy amounts.
Well… yeah. I don’t disagree with any of this. I was just pointing out your Kane and Bellingham comparatives were flawed. Again, nobody has actually bid for Bellingham. If, say Liverpool dropped a £100m bid for Bellingham right now, then the scenario would be comparable to Antony.

In such a case — Dortmund, much like Ajax, would be within their rights to reject. Obviously. But equally, Bellingham, like Antony, would be within his rights to throw a bit of a strop at the club refusing a very sensible offer. And even further, Liverpool, like Man Utd, can feel a bit like the over the top valuation that they’re willing to pay is compensatory enough for approaching a player that a side doesn’t want to sell right now. All of these things can be correct.
 

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Stupendously overpriced for his output. We're massively looking to overpay on Ajax players this summer, it seems. I think it's one of the problems of such inflexibility.
I don't think his output is the problem, I would worry more about how well his playmaking and dribbling would translate to the PL.
 

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A lot of people knocking the potential signing. The price seems high, but the person who knows him most is ETH.

Now if he is a flop, then ETH will have to take the blame. I really don't think that ETH would allow the deal to go through at this price if he though that Anthony couldn't cut it, or wasn't an improvement on what he had.

Saying that, he did go all out for Martinez and even though premature, it looks like there could be some issue there! :nervous:
 

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People need to stop picking on Sancho. He has spent one season at United - the most dysfunctional United ever managed by Ole the cheerleader and then Ralf who isn't really a manager. Please, give the lad another season.

As for Antony, we desperately need a forward, and he wants to come, and ETH wants him. Most of us wanted this manager, so we have to trust him, especially with a player he has worked with before.
 

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About to be the hardest flop since coutinho.
Ok so I randomly used you as an example so apologies. I mean nothing by it and yes im a dick etc etc.
From as far as I know from searching your post history using the term Ajax, you have posted one post about an Ajax game way back in 2017
He can't get it in because Mourinho is a primitive tactician, simples :D
That’s it, are you watching Dutch football in your spare time that you don’t share with us? How can you honestly make a statement like this?

You also first posted about Antony 4 months ago in April when he was already out for the season with an injury!

Why the pessimism?
 

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Surprised by him not training though, seems very premature for me.
He made it clear he wanted to leave weeks ago. He said if a good offer comes in he wants it accepted.

If we've offered close to 70m euros that's pretty fair for a young winger who hasn't proven much yet. I can see why he would be angry.

I suspect it'll get settled soon as this doesn't help either club.
 

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We badly need a RWF and Antony is a very good fit imo. His technical ability is superb and he can be an absolute joy to watch at times whilst exhibiting quick lateral movement which enables him to be a big threat in open play. But on top of having a high level of touch and technique, he's also an absolute live wire both from a defensive and offensive perspective and the intensity he plays at isn't match by any of our wide forwards.

It's been reported since early April by Dutch reporters about Ajax wanting between £70m to £90m for Antony. And it's understandable why Ajax would command such a fee for such a important player. From our perspective it would be overpaying but I think the investment in the long-term has the potential to pay off due the players potential and his age.
 
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Can we seriously not find any other option for 70 million?

I'm not sold on him. Invest the money in a 2nd midfielder to partner casemiro.
 

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I don't think his output is the problem, I would worry more about how well his playmaking and dribbling would translate to the PL.
I think you have to worry about everything translating from the Dutch league.

His record isn't that great considering the numbers some have put up for dominant sides over there. It is a problem because at the moment we've got Ronaldo in a huff as the only serious goalscorer. Who's he creating for?
 

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A lot of people knocking the potential signing. The price seems high, but the person who knows him most is ETH.

Now if he is a flop, then ETH will have to take the blame. I really don't think that ETH would allow the deal to go through at this price if he though that Anthony couldn't cut it, or wasn't an improvement on what he had.

Saying that, he did go all out for Martinez and even though premature, it looks like there could be some issue there! :nervous:
To be fair, martinez was second choice to timber. Until LVG chopped that deal down.
 

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And Frenkie and an additional striker to compete with Martial..

Antony and Casemiro are a huge huge upgrade, but there is still some work te be done to become competitive..
Huge upgrade, but still not enough. I still can't see how we keep a clean sheet when the goalie's making howlers every game. It just doesn't instill confidence.

But back ontopic:
Let the Glazers cough up the money. The Frenkie money will still be there under a pillow, must be, as he is our first transfer target.
 

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Well we won't be playing any counter attacking football under ETH so standing start or burst of acceleration is exactly what we need.
Outright pace is the ace up nearly every one of the top teams’ attack. It disrupts the opposition before a play is even made; they have to shuffle over to wherever the pace is in anticipation of the speedster receiving the ball in any open space whatsoever, and then they are desperate to not let that player turn and face them all the while, everyone else in his side can adjust their own positioning in accordance with what’s going on.

You’ll be hard-pressed to find top sides who don’t have that threat in at least one of their starting xi.
 

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Well… yeah. I don’t disagree with any of this. I was just pointing out your Kane and Bellingham comparatives were flawed. Again, nobody has actually bid for Bellingham. If, say Liverpool dropped a £100m bid for Bellingham right now, then the scenario would be comparable to Antony.

In such a case — Dortmund, much like Ajax, would be within their rights to reject. Obviously. But equally, Bellingham, like Antony, would be within his rights to throw a bit of a strop at the club refusing a very sensible offer. And even further, Liverpool, like Man Utd, can feel a bit like the over the top valuation that they’re willing to pay is compensatory enough for approaching a player that a side doesn’t want to sell right now. All of these things can be correct.
I think it depends on the situation. Antony shouldn't really do it since he signed a 5 year contract 2 years ago. I'd understand him more if he was already around at the club for 4 years, completely killing it extending his contract once or twice to get a better salary but also help the club in being able to get a decent selling fee. In that situation I would understand if he felt like it's really time to make a move to a bigger league. In comparison, Suarez was at Ajax for 3,5 years and he killed it from the first moment he arrived. He didn't go asking for a transfer after 2 seasons.

From Ajax's point of view it just doesn't make sense to sell on the best players after two seasons. Ajax wants to build strong teams as well and that can't happen if you are selling your best players after they've been at the club only 2 years. Ajax also wants to profit from the players qualities on the pitch, not just financially. From that perspective Ajax needs the player to stay (at least) 3 or 4 years. In these days it's not very realistic anymore to think the players will stay longer than that. However Ajax expecting to keep it's players for at least three years really isn't an unreasonable ask from Ajax. Ajax invests in the carreers of those players, Ajax also wants returns from that on the pitch. I do think Antony is out of line if he kicks a fuss after just being at the club for two years.

Nevertheless as I already said - regardless of what happens and how Antony behaves I think this deal is going to happen. 80m is an offer that's really getting to an amount that Ajax can't refuse. United will get back to Ajax, improve the offer and then I feel like they'll be talking about the details. Ajax will be looking to sign a replacement in the meanwhile (I hope Ziyech) and that will be it. It'll probably take about a week to be completed I'd say but I do believe it's happening.
 

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Praying this happens solely to watch that moron “the European lad” fall apart on Twitter,

can’t stand when fan accounts like him think they know exactly what their clubs/players will do
 

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I’m concerned about the lack of acceleration. It’s what kills Sancho in this league.
 

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I want Antony at United. Him and FdJ were my muppets signings.

However, what this deal represents, even if we don't get him, is how much of an owner change we need!
 

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I like Antony as a player but it's the price that worries me. He'll have a hell of a lot of living up to do to warrant such a pricetag.

Can already see the pundits and media vultures ready to pounce at any sort of below par performance.

We do however, desperately need a rw so can see where the club is coming from.
 

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Let’s just hope Chelsea doesn’t fancy Antony as it makes too much sense with player swap deal
 

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Frenkie could learn a thing or two from him.

Wish he tried to force a move sooner in the transfer window.
Think this was mainly down to the fact we wouldn't pay the 80m they were looking at that time. Now we are willing to pay it, albeit late in the day, he can push a bit more if he had an agreement with Ajax to leave.
 

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Its far too much money. Don’t care what anyone says, 80M Euros is far too much on him. And this is coming from someone who has been crying out for a winger like him, someone who has flair and gets past people. We’ve missed someone like that for a decade. But the price is nuts.
 
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