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Em due to simple biology he isn't a woman though. Pretty sure he has XY chromosomes. Even me writing such sentence sounds bananas. It's a man that looks/dresses/feels/identifies as a woman. He has had his bits and pieces removed. You're either born male or female.

The world is gotten out of hand.

Btw I have absolutely no problems with trans people, I support whatever they want to do.

But don't try and say a man is a woman and vica versa.

I've probably opened up a can of worms here but just because my views on this subject are different to yours doesn't me that I'm anti this or that or I'm trying to be insulting. We just have different views.
you do have problems with them then.
 

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Em due to simple biology he isn't a woman though. Pretty sure he has XY chromosomes. Even me writing such sentence sounds bananas. It's a man that looks/dresses/feels/identifies as a woman. He has had his bits and pieces removed. You're either born male or female.

The world is gotten out of hand.

Btw I have absolutely no problems with trans people, I support whatever they want to do.

But don't try and say a man is a woman and vica versa.

I've probably opened up a can of worms here but just because my views on this subject are different to yours doesn't me that I'm anti this or that or I'm trying to be insulting. We just have different views.
Female not woman.
 

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Em due to simple biology he isn't a woman though. Pretty sure he has XY chromosomes. Even me writing such sentence sounds bananas. It's a man that looks/dresses/feels/identifies as a woman. He has had his bits and pieces removed. You're either born male or female.

The world is gotten out of hand.

Btw I have absolutely no problems with trans people, I support whatever they want to do.

But don't try and say a man is a woman and vica versa.

I've probably opened up a can of worms here but just because my views on this subject are different to yours doesn't me that I'm anti this or that or I'm trying to be insulting. We just have different views.
Thinking and saying transphobic things will generally lead people to call you out on your transphobia, yes

Just because you don't want to be called transphobic doesn't mean that you can be transphobic without appropriate reactions from others.
 

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Thinking and saying transphobic things will generally lead people to call you out on your transphobia, yes

Just because you don't want to be called transphobic doesn't mean that you can be transphobic without appropriate reactions from others.
I have trans friends and have great relationship with them. I also have a relative who is trans and again zero issues. I'm not transphobic.

I'm just calling a spade a spade.

As I said if my views are different to others doesn't mean I'm horrible or in the wrong. I voted in favour for same sex marriage, have no issues with whatever anybody wants to do as it has no effect on my life. Everyone entitled to do or be what they want.

But calling a man a woman or the other way around doesn't make any sense in any biological way.
 

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I have trans friends and have great relationship with them. I also have a relative who is trans and again zero issues. I'm not transphobic.

I'm just calling a spade a spade.

As I said if my views are different to others doesn't mean I'm horrible or in the wrong. I voted in favour for same sex marriage, have no issues with whatever anybody wants to do as it has no effect on my life. Everyone entitled to do or be what they want.

But calling a man a woman or the other way around doesn't make any sense in any biological way.
You don’t understand biology anywhere near to the level you think you do.

Also big pop at the “some of my best friends are black” excuse.
 

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I have trans friends and have great relationship with them. I also have a relative who is trans and again zero issues. I'm not transphobic.

I'm just calling a spade a spade.

As I said if my views are different to others doesn't mean I'm horrible or in the wrong. I voted in favour for same sex marriage, have no issues with whatever anybody wants to do as it has no effect on my life. Everyone entitled to do or be what they want.

But calling a man a woman or the other way around doesn't make any sense in any biological way.
Have you told your trans friends that you don't think that they are the gender they identify with, whilst referring to them by their opposite pronouns? And how did that go?
 

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I have trans friends and have great relationship with them. I also have a relative who is trans and again zero issues. I'm not transphobic.

I'm just calling a spade a spade.

As I said if my views are different to others doesn't mean I'm horrible or in the wrong. I voted in favour for same sex marriage, have no issues with whatever anybody wants to do as it has no effect on my life. Everyone entitled to do or be what they want.

But calling a man a woman or the other way around doesn't make any sense in any biological way.
I don't believe for a second that you have close trans folks in your life that wouldn't have cut you off with this insane rhetoric of yours. You're either inventing them, not telling them about your views because deep down you know they're incredibly hurtful, or fantasizing the actual nature of your relationships with them.

Please consider how your "I'm just saying what I think" attitude is infuriating. You're entitled to think what you want, that doesn't mean you have any moral high ground to stand on.
 
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Right I'm out because because it'll only just keep going around in circles.

I have my views (everyone here says that they are wrong and transphobic so they must be experts on the matter).

You lot believe what you want and I'll believe what I want.
 

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Right I'm out because because it'll only just keep going around in circles.

I have my views (everyone here says that they are wrong and transphobic so they must be experts on the matter).

You lot believe what you want and I'll believe what I want.

Before you go, would you be so kind as to reply to this?
Have you told your trans friends that you don't think that they are the gender they identify with, whilst referring to them by their opposite pronouns? And how did that go?
 

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Right I'm out because because it'll only just keep going around in circles.

I have my views (everyone here says that they are wrong and transphobic so they must be experts on the matter).

You lot believe what you want and I'll believe what I want.
I only read the first sentence of your post, so don't know if you are transphobic or not, now I can tell that you don't know what you are talking about when you mixed gender and sex.
 

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This circulated earlier in the year and it was debunked as fake - it seemingly just hit major news outlets today and I’m seeing a lot of French accounts saying it’s fake - the Ines he’s dating is supposedly friend with a French actress and not the trans model - not that it matters either way
 

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I find it quite pathetic when grown up people invest themselves in the life of others. If you are over 18 and still read gossip about stars you should have a look at yourself.
 

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This circulated earlier in the year and it was debunked as fake - it seemingly just hit major news outlets today and I’m seeing a lot of French accounts saying it’s fake - the Ines he’s dating is supposedly friend with a French actress and not the trans model - not that it matters either way
:lol:

4 pages of Caf drama over some tabloid BS
 

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I hope opposition fans don't use this to "insult" him. Would go a long way to normalize this if a world class player was openly bisexual.
she’s a fully transitioned trans person. Has female body parts and hormones Etc. she had reassignment surgery at 16 so still when she was very young. In no way does it mean mbappe likes penis or men in any way shape or form.
 

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All women are not female ?
No. Male and female is based on biology, woman and man is based on social norms. If you want a social example that is traditional and not "woke" it will be fa'afafine in the samoan culture.
 

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No need to use all those words to say you're a transphobic cnut. Just say you're a transphobic cnut. We get it

Not sure about firing this sort of abuse out.

I've no issue myself don't see a problem, but I'd say lot of people acting cool about this online in this thread right now, would more and likely 100% be weirded out if they were to go with a girl who told them later on they where a boy before In their life.


its not exactly a black and white issue.


only issue I can see with this is he will no doubt get ribbed some shocking about it now. Even the banter pages have started online.
 

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People seem to care more what Arabs thinks about transgender people than they care about Arab companies like Aramco making biggest profits in their history and making life impossible for hardworking people with the recent prices and stuff, while their countries and goverments enjoy working with those companies and allow them to keep earning feckloads of money.

I bet if someone made a thread or even bump in some thread about Aramco profits we would have 5-6 posts at best replying to it.
 

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No. Male and female is based on biology, woman and man is based on social norms. If you want a social example that is traditional and not "woke" it will be fa'afafine in the samoan culture.
Isn’t sexuality based on biology? How does this back your initial point at all?
 

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Thinking and saying transphobic things will generally lead people to call you out on your transphobia, yes

Just because you don't want to be called transphobic doesn't mean that you can be transphobic without appropriate reactions from others.
Pointing out basic biology isn’t being transphobic. It’s a pretty sensible statement to suggest that trans women are not biological women.

I stumbled across an article in nature suggesting the brain structure of trans women is potentially different from that of their biological gender (e.g. male) and the gender of which they identify with.

If this was the case transphobia would be more along the lines of genuinely being scared of or hating trans people…rather than pointing out the fact they aren’t biologically the gender they identify as.
 

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Calling someone a transphobic cnut isn’t how you educate someone. There was little need to jump on him like that, even if he may have had fictitious trans friends.
 

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I only read the first sentence of your post, so don't know if you are transphobic or not, now I can tell that you don't know what you are talking about when you mixed gender and sex.
To be fair the whole premise is dependent on whether you agree with that distinction or not considering how shaky it is but that's a different discussion.

Anyway you seem to have some authority here could you make a different thread for his love life so we could keep this one football related only?
 

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No. Male and female is based on biology, woman and man is based on social norms. If you want a social example that is traditional and not "woke" it will be fa'afafine in the samoan culture.
So what defines being a man/woman, if it's not biology?
How do I differentiate one from the other?
Or, more importantly, how do I know if I'm a man or woman myself? You will probably say that I have to *feel* I'm one or the other, but what does it mean to feel like a man or a woman?
 

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Pointing out basic biology isn’t being transphobic. It’s a pretty sensible statement to suggest that trans women are not biological women.
This is not what the poster I was replying to was saying at all.
 

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So what defines being a man/woman, if it's not biology?
How do I differentiate one from the other?
Or, more importantly, how do I know if I'm a man or woman myself? You will probably say that I have to *feel* I'm one or the other, but what does it mean to feel like a man or a woman?
Do you think of yourself as a man?
 

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Yes, it says i can't stand transphobic cnuts

Don't have the energy to try and educate people like that. Doesn't mean i'm not gonna get pissed when spout their overtly transphobic rethoric and call them out on it. Act like a cnut, get called a cnut


Gender identity and sexual preferences are two different, separate things. Sexuality isn't based on biology, unless you are attracted specifically to people's genitals?
Seems to be from what’s being said here since the difference between gay and heterosexual seems to be from the day she considered herself a woman and the day before? There has to be a line somewhere that it turns from gay / bi and I don’t blame people for asking that question. It doesn’t make them a monster for doing so.
Again, I’m not a transphobe dickhead here, I’ve arguing the corner for trans people almost to a fault on here and I genuinely do not care what way others want to live (I know my neighbours black and alll that) but the argument coming from non dickhead people is gender can be fluid (which I agree with). My problem is as soon as you bring up the fact attraction to them can be fluid as well from a traditional perspective you’re told you’re a bigot and everything is shut off in a male / female box and that’s it.
it doesn’t make sense to me. There’s a discussion to be here that shouldn’t be so taboo that they’re jumped on for asking it
 

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Can we quit with the insults please. It's obviously an emotive subject that isn't totally black and white for many, but calling people 'cnuts' will result in threadbans- keep it civil.

This is the football forum, so create a separate thread in the CE if you want to discuss purely trans issues.
 

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So what defines being a man/woman, if it's not biology?
How do I differentiate one from the other?
Or, more importantly, how do I know if I'm a man or woman myself? You will probably say that I have to *feel* I'm one or the other, but what does it mean to feel like a man or a woman?
That's your decision, I can't tell it for you.
 

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Isn’t sexuality based on biology? How does this back your initial point at all?
Sexuality is about your sexual inclination, it's not about your sex or your gender. That's three different notions.
 

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Can we quit with the insults please. It's obviously an emotive subject that isn't totally black and white for many, but calling people 'cnuts' will result in threadbans- keep it civil.

This is the football forum, so create a separate thread in the CE if you want to discuss purely trans issues.
Please threadban me

Edit: from the other thread, not this one