Film RedCafe's Favourite Movies Of All Time Contest (ROUND 1) - POLL ADDED (Genres Updated)

[Dirty Schwein]

I've requested a poll in the thread title. Let's see if an admin answers.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

Could you add a pre-60s category? Or ideally one for 40s+50s and one for pre-40s, but maybe that's too specific. So far, hardly any pre-60s films have been mentioned in this thread, so I think it's worth including something to let those films get their due as well.

Yeah they'll be crushed not to be named in a RedCafe poll

 

[Dirty Schwein]

I asked @Raoul and I think he will add a poll.

I'll wait until 11.59pm tomorrow...

If genres wins... Let's carry on with this thread.

If decades wins... I will delete this thread and we start again next Monday.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

1. Jaws
2. Terminator 2
3. Jurassic Park
4. The Revenant
5. Top Gun Maverick

 

[Cheimoon]

Yeah they'll be crushed not to be named in a RedCafe poll

I'd be. After enjoying Thor yesterday, I need to be able to vote for a good number of pre-60s films in a dedicated category to set my mind at ease.

Oh wait, that's why @Dirty Schwein isn't agreeing with my obviously correct comments here. He hated that Thor film!

 

[Dirty Schwein]

I'd be. After enjoying Thor yesterday, I need to be able to vote for a good number of pre-60s films in a dedicated category to set my mind at ease.

Oh wait, that's why @Dirty Schwein isn't agreeing with my obviously correct comments here. He hated that Thor film!

Mate... If I remembered it was you who enjoyed that movie, I would ask to get you thread-banned

 

[Dirty Schwein]

@Raoul has added a poll. Thanks mate.

Ok get voting. Whatever is in the lead tomorrow midnight is what we will proceed with.

No more whinging about genres Vs decades after this please.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

Decade is a bad idea. Otherwise we'll all be pick the same movies of each Decade. The Genre diversified the picks

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Decade us a bad idea. Otherwise we'll all be pick the same movies of each Decade. The Genre diversified the picks

I agree but I don't want this contest to go down the same route the last one went down when every single round had people moaning about PC gaming.

So let's see how it pans out.

I truly believe genres will lead to better selection of movies but I guess this is democracy.

 

[The Cat]

So Con Air is the joke suggestion, right? Like Boaty McBoatface or Lord Buckethead

Or Alex Kidd

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Or Alex Kidd

 

[The Cat]

As an aside I'd like to see a poll on which of the three LOTR films is the best. I'd nail my colours to the first one regardless of the critics.

 

[The Cat]

Sorry

 

[Dirty Schwein]

As an aside I'd like to see a poll on which of the three LOTR films is the best. I'd nail my colours to the first one regardless of the critics.

You'll find out in the fantasy round I'm sure

Sorry

It hurt. Not gonna lie about that. But I'll be ok.

 

[Red Shorts]

1. LOTR Return of the King
2. Gladiator
3. Dark Knight
4. Terminator 2
5. Jurassic Park

 

[Roosney]

1. Alien
2. Predator
3. Grouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
4. Gladiator
5. Sin City

 

[Vidyoyo]

I've just realised Con Air isn't Face/Off

 

[Dirty Schwein]

1. Alien
2. Predator
3. Grouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
4. Gladiator
5. Sin City

Is that the sequel?

I've just realised Con Air isn't Face/Off

I swear I'm gonna strangle you

 

[Vidyoyo]

I swear I'm gonna strangle you

Turns out I haven't seen Con Air then

 

[AaronRedDevil]

As an aside I'd like to see a poll on which of the three LOTR films is the best. I'd nail my colours to the first one regardless of the critics.

Well it's pointless if we aren't setting it up for LOTR to win it. Return of the King that is

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Turns out I haven't seen Con Air then

I've just ordered a knife from Amazon. Hoping not to use it on you.

 

[Vidyoyo]

I've just ordered a knife from Amazon. Hoping not to use it on you.

Listen if Con Air wins this thing I'll watch it but I can't make promises otherwise

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Listen if Con Air wins this thing I'll watch it but I can't make promises otherwise

If it doesn't win this round, we will have a premature ending. Like my wife does most nights.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Oops didn't realize this was Action and Adventure

Action & Adventure
1. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
2. Die Hard
3. Predator
4. Kill Bill
5. Raiders of the Lost Ark

 

[berbatrick]

1. Police story
2. Kill bill
3. Wheels on meals
4. Mad max 2
5. Bourne identity

no idea what the order should be really

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

With the current list, yes, but my comment was that the vast majority of most critically acclaimed films might end up in the drama category - which effectively will skew the vote towards the other categories. (Meaning that films from those others categories might end up higher up in the vote than they would have been if Drama were split up.)

If genres win and @Dirty Schwein Schwein doesn't add a crime category (which would help so please add crime Schwein!) then I, for one, am going to have to get creative with some of the categories. You're right that it could skew the votes. I doubt I could personally find a musical for my top 100 but if genre wins then I'd have to find something to fit into that category whereas I'd definitely have 10-15 films from each of crime, drama and thriller in my top 100 easily.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

If genres win and @Dirty Schwein Schwein doesn't add a crime category (which would help so please add crime Schwein!) then I, for one, am going to have to get creative with some of the categories. You're right that it could skew the votes. I doubt I could personally find a musical for my top 100 but if genre wins then I'd have to find something to fit into that category whereas I'd definitely have 10-15 films from each of crime, drama and thriller in my top 100 easily.

As much as I would love to include Crime over Musicals, crime is not a key genre unfortunately. Looking at IMDb, Godfather is a crime gangster movie but it falls under the drama umbrella. Goodfellas is also drama. Scarface is drama. Most of the big crime movies fall under drama.

I was originally thinking to do the rounds as sub genres: like crime, war, superhero, found footage, mockumentary etc

I think that would have been really fun but it would also have been too much work and the contest would have been too long.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

But on the other hand, if they're not getting mentioned then having a sub category would be helping through films people just don't rate as much?

HOW DO WE ADD A POLL?

Pre-60s include Kurosawa and Hitchcock among others (like all classic film noir). Definitely worth including because those are some legendary films even if many younger people might not have seen them.

As much as I would love to include Crime over Musicals, crime is not a key genre unfortunately. Looking at IMDb, Godfather is a crime gangster movie but it falls under the drama umbrella. Goodfellas is also drama. Scarface is drama. Most of the big crime movies fall under drama.

I was originally thinking to do the rounds as sub genres: like crime, war, superhero, found footage, mockumentary etc

I think that would have been really fun but it would also have been too much work and the contest would have been too long.

Say what? Crime is absolutely a key genre. It's not a sub-genre at all like the others you mention There have been many more legendary crime films than musicals by a large degree and crime has subgenres like film noir, gangster, heist that can all produce dozens of relevant films all on their own.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

As much as I would love to include Crime over Musicals, crime is not a key genre unfortunately. Looking at IMDb, Godfather is a crime gangster movie but it falls under the drama umbrella. Goodfellas is also drama. Scarface is drama. Most of the big crime movies fall under drama.

I was originally thinking to do the rounds as sub genres: like crime, war, superhero, found footage, mockumentary etc

I think that would have been really fun but it would also have been too much work and the contest would have been too long.

But musicals are shit

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Pre-60s include Kurosawa and Hitchcock among others (like all classic film noir). Definitely worth including because those are some legendary films even if many younger people might not have seen them.



Say what? Crime is absolutely a key genre. It's not a sub-genre at all like the others you mention There have been many more legendary crime films than musicals by a large degree and crime has subgenres like film noir and neo-noir that can produce dozens of relevant films all on their own.

With regards to the first point, whilst I see what you're saying, I can also tell you that from past experience, there won't be much going on. Just look at the movie review thread, not many older films in there. When we did the gaming evolution of this, again, most of the votes came in from around the 80s onwards.

I've put up a poll for the decades v genres debate and will go from there.

As for crime Vs musical... I'm not married to musicals and will happily switch it but on wiki, the article I read on film genres had crime as a sub-genre of drama.

However, I also agree that I can't imagine the musicals genre is exactly mind blowing.

So then, which one of these to include:

Musicals
Crime
War
Superhero
Sports
Martial Arts
Period/Historical
Documentary

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Combine musicals and animation, because who gives a toss about them, and make a sub-genre of drama like Historical/War/Period Piece. That gives more room for the giant drama genre.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

With regards to the first point, whilst I see what you're saying, I can also tell you that from past experience, there won't be much going on. Just look at the movie review thread, not many older films in there. When we did the gaming evolution of this, again, most of the votes came in from around the 80s onwards.

I've put up a poll for the decades v genres debate and will go from there.

As for crime Vs musical... I'm not married to musicals and will happily switch it but on wiki, the article I read on film genres had crime as a sub-genre of drama.

However, I also agree that I can't imagine the musicals genre is exactly mind blowing.

So then, which one of these to include:

Musicals
Crime
War
Superhero
Sports
Martial Arts
Documentary

War and Crime

Please not superhero

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

With regards to the first point, whilst I see what you're saying, I can also tell you that from past experience, there won't be much going on. Just look at the movie review thread, not many older films in there. When we did the gaming evolution of this, again, most of the votes came in from around the 80s onwards.

I've put up a poll for the decades v genres debate and will go from there.

As for crime Vs musical... I'm not married to musicals and will happily switch it but on wiki, the article I read on film genres had crime as a sub-genre of drama.

However, I also agree that I can't imagine the musicals genre is exactly mind blowing.

So then, which one of these to include:

Musicals
Crime
War
Superhero
Sports
Martial Arts
Documentary

Crime gets my vote. The others mostly fit into other categories and Documentary is a completely different thing.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Crime absolutely is a sub-genre of drama and anybody saying otherwise is being a sensitive sally because it's their favourite genre.

You stick to your guns man. I'll be right there fighting alongside you.

That said, I would switch out musical for documentary as musical can be combined with other genres whereas documentary cannot.

You're not entirely wrong but the problem is that "drama" covers so many entirely different subgenres that encompass most of the critically acclaimed movies that if this is a vote by genre then it definitely skews the overall list. I mean how many musicals or animation movies really would make it into any film buff's top 100 compared to things that could be considered "drama"? Dramas would be well over 50% or 75% of the top movies from most film buff lists.

 

[Vidyoyo]

You're not entirely wrong but the problem is that "drama" covers so many entirely different subgenres that encompass most of the critically acclaimed movies that if this is a vote by genre then it definitely skews the overall list. I mean how many musicals or animation movies really would make it into any film buff's top 100 compared to things that could be considered "drama"? Dramas would be well over 50% or 75% of the top movies from most film buff lists.

Yeah you make a decent point. I can see a huge benefit to using war/crime/historical as a way to moving away from the drama overload.

 

[Cheimoon]

But musicals are shit

Well, Blues Brothers is good.

That's it, nothing else.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Combine musicals and animation, because who gives a toss about them, and make a sub-genre of drama like Historical/War/Period Piece. That gives more room for the giant drama genre.

Nah, animations deserves its own round.

War and Crime

Please not superhero

Don't worry, I was just using it as an example. We won't have a superhero round.

Crime gets my vote. The others mostly fit into other categories and Documentary is a completely different thing.

But crime also fits neatly into drama.

You're not entirely wrong but the problem is that "drama" covers so many entirely different subgenres that encompass most of the critically acclaimed movies that if this is a vote by genre then it definitely skews the overall list. I mean how many musicals or animation movies really would make it into any film buff's top 100 compared to things that could be considered "drama"? Dramas would be well over 50% or 75% of the top movies from most film buff lists.

I'm not really fussed about what film buffs would say because we're doing "favourite" films and not "greatest films" but I agree about the skewed list point.

I think I'll replace musicals as I don't see an appetite for it.

Yeah you make a decent point. I can see a huge benefit to using war/crime/historical as a way to moving away from the drama overload.

I think this is the best compromise. War/Crime/ will take the burden off the Drama round a little.

I'll adjust it.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Also, if we're removing musicals then surely westerns should go too? They're both pretty niche genres...

Can replace them with Crime and War.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Also, if we're removing musicals then surely westerns should go too? They're both pretty niche genres...

Can replace them with Crime and War.

Could westerns be combined with war? I quite like both genres but maybe not enough to have 5 different choices for each. Often they're not so different due to their focus on conflict.

Plus they both begin with W

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Could westerns be combined with war? I think that'd give a good variety of responses and often they're not entirely different due to the focus on conflict (like action + adventure).

I'll have a think about it and decide once the poll is completed tomorrow. I would rather iron this stuff out now rather than be messing about once we go beyond this round.

I'm thinking:

Round 1 - Action & Adventure
Round 2 - War & Western
Round 3 - Fantasy & Superhero
Round 4 - Crime & Noir
Round 5 - Comedy & Romance
Round 6 - Drama
Round 7 - Horror
Round 8 - Sci Fi
Round 9 - Thriller
Round 10 - Animation