Fk off back to England…is that racist?
If he said fk off back to Brazil you black so and so….that would be racist no?
Henderson / Gabriel incident no longer being investigated by FA
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If he said fk off back to Brazil you black so and so….that would be racist no?
It's not unreasonable for the media to ask the managers "what happened with the ref came over to you both mid-game (something that rarely happens). The managers both declined to comment because they were told to do so by the refs (who knew there was going to be an investigation).
Hiding (or flat out covering up) this kind of thing is not good in my view. If Henderson did nothing wrong, it will come out, nobody wants him to be a racist.
Reminds me of a thread that was on this forum wondering if what Athletic Bilbao's insular hiring policies were acceptable or not. They insist that you must be Basque to be eligible to play for them- how is that different in principle from a club insisting you must be white or straight to play for them?
Quite an interesting discussion actually.
Is it not xenophobic, rather than racist?
Go back to India or go back to Africa would be far more racist (even if the person was recently from India or Africa). So back to Brazil has the same racist connotations.
* I know Africa is not a country.
* I know Africa is not a country.
Not that I'm attempting to play down any seriousness of offense but none of those examples above are racism they are examples of xenophobia.
If however he said "go back to Brazil"(or words to that effect) that could be interpreted as having racist intent as its possibly a play on the old racist comment of telling somebody black to "go back to Africa" with the intent/implication being you have no place in "my country" on the basis of race.
Bilbao hiring policies can be described as xenophobic and nationalist but not racists, you can play for Bilbao no matter what race you are as long as you happen to have been born in the Basque region or can call yourself Basque for other reasons. Both Inaki Williams and his younger brother (both black) currently play for Atletico Bilbao, it's not an issue of race it's one of national/regional identity.
In theory you can also be gay or have a disability and play for them so yes there is a difference between their policies (albeit that they are still somewhat outdated, restrictive and IMO wrong) and selection on the basis of genetics.
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Not saying Henderson has used a racial slur but him being in adverts means absolutely nothing.
It genuinely looks from video as if no player is in earshot. Could be anything, from a misheard 'knobhead' to something worse. Unless there are camera angles we haven't seen I can't see it progress
Edit- saka walks right by at the exact moment Henderson says whatever sets Gabriel off
Edit- saka walks right by at the exact moment Henderson says whatever sets Gabriel off
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You may have missed the few months he was getting hacked down when he started showing some ability. All going unpunished until he got called-up and refs magically started protecting him a bit more. Sensible to start over playing contacts with the english referees.
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He either feigned the seriousness of the contact or "passed" a basic test after laying immobile for 10s. One day, this will backfire very badly.
I think he definitely said something, notice Gabriel shouts something towards his fellow Brazilian Firmino then firmino looks at Henderson Like a why did say that. He’s hardly sticking up for his teammate anyway.
Xhaka does the same motion, his head turn is even more abrupt.
To be fair, Arteta's response of what happens onthe pitch should stay on the pitch suggests its not as serious as racism. Probably said something about you know who.
Maybe Henderson said something about Partey...
About the Weinstein in their team?
If it is racism and Arteta said this then Arteta can go feck himself
No. It's racist.
I noticed the same thing. Firmino's reactions was one of, "Dude, did you really say that?"
He definitely referred to allegations about a certain Arsenal player. If it was anything else (i.e racism) then there wouldn't be comments being made like "what is said on the pitch stays on the pitch".
It suits both parties to bury this. Liverpool don't want a player suspended for abuse, Arsenal don't want the allegations in the media again.
It suits both parties to bury this. Liverpool don't want a player suspended for abuse, Arsenal don't want the allegations in the media again.
Saka is and was one of the most fouled players in the league with Grealish. The stats are there to prove it. It's the reason a lot of teams are actually marking him in the final 3rd with 2 players
If you're English and on holiday in Jamaica yes
The ref wouldn’t be pulling the two managers over about that nor would there be an investigation. Why would Gabriel even be offended?
Don’t go believing scouse propaganda
Why would Hendo be using an allegation about another player as an insult to Gabriel though?
And why would Gabriel take it with such fury? Are they good mates or something?
And why would Gabriel take it with such fury? Are they good mates or something?
That shouldn't be allowed to happen, but that's another story all together.
Many things get covered up and swept under the rug when there is no transparency.
The fact other things are broken i.e people can post whatever they like on social media without consequence is a separate issue.
If yer man really did work for the Lions he’d know that video evidence of loss of consciousness means straight game over. Assessment no longer relevant. Letting him play on after slumping to the ground like that is straight up negligent.
wouldn’t be surprising of a Pep disciple to think nothing of a bit or casual racism
So I’m going to have to change my Twitter bio?
He probably would pull two players over if one of them was calling another a rapist. It wouldn't be unusual for a teammate to take offence on behalf of another player.
I don't think this is propaganda TBH. Why would Arteta say "What is said on the pitch stays on the pitch" if it was a racist attack? It wouldn't make any sense for them to bury it under the rug.
The big question is - .what will the Liverpool t-shirts against City say ?
He’d pull two players over but the two managers and an investigation? That’s extremely over the top. I’m sure Partey is getting shit on every time he’s on the pitch.
Also Arteta is a proven idiot with his handling of another case never mind comments yesterday
If he said this after being told there's alleged racism, he should be fired :
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He has more common sense than that.
Its very concerning if you think its not racist
But England isn't a race…
Jamaicans are really friendly towards tourists. If they ever say that to anyone then that person is a bloody twat.
People (elsewhere) are speculating that Henderson said something to Partey (not Gabriel) as he (Partey) was passing by. Gabriel obviously heard it, though, as he was standing right in front of Henderson.
It also looks (so they say - I'm not sure myself) as though Henderson says "he is" repeatedly to Gabriel.
The theory being (obviously) that Henderson called Partey a rapist and that Gabriel reacted to this, saying something like "you can't call him that", whereupon Henderson stated (repeatedly): "he is".
It's not a flawless theory in my opinion, but not entirely outlandish either.
I mean, all they'd have to do is spin around and say "done" really ..
Klopp looked very disappointed
Telling a foreigner to feck off back to their own country is definitely incredibly problematic. It’s implying that they have no right to be here because of their nationality.
And yes you could say nationality is not a race, and you’d be right. Telling a white personal from Eastern Europe to go back home wouldn’t essentially be racist, but Xenophobic. But racism is now kind of a catch all term for all forms of bigotry based on ethnicity and citizenship. So if your issue is pure semantics then whatever, still bloody annoying of you. But if it’s purely you not seeing an issue with telling someone to go back to their own country, then you may need to do some reading.
Yeah, I can't believe he would say that, if he thought there was any chance of a racist comment. Not necessarily case closed, but this indicates 'no big deal'.
That being said, I am really puzzled as to why Michael Oliver felt the need to talk to both managers if it wasn't a big deal. He is an idiot though, so that may just be the reason.
"I'm not a racist, I'm a xenophobe" isn't any sort of improvement.