Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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I am sure @Cheimoon will promote him again soon enough.
Oh he's busy trolling other message boards I'm sure.
In terms of the costs for the naked aggressor:
- Economic destruction
- Loss of any remaining European understanding (outside lunatic fringe/payroll)
- Diplomatic isolation
- Loss of influence in Central Asia
- Military crippled and fearsome reputation gone
- Educated youth fled abroad
- Ukraine now with strong national identity and strongly anti-Russian
As for the “gains” column, they have a strip of devastated land which they can, at best, try to hold in a frozen conflict at the cost of further destroying their country’s future.I honestly struggle to think of a parallel for such wanton self-destruction (Don’t mention the “B” word - that almost seems sane by comparison).
Not sure why I need to be dragged into this?
Because you are the one who started spreading the asshole's propaganda here (from newbies), even before he was promoted. But mainly it was a joke that you have a tendency of promoting banned users (madwinger), albeit there was 2 assumptions from me, 1 that it was you who promoted him and 2 that he is actually banned.
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Well, that's wrong on all counts then. I don't have that tendency, I didn't promote him, he's not banned, and his early posts were actually interesting (before he started posting here and focused on bashing Glasto and basically everyone that disagreed while exaggerating his own points).
Should have been made a mod.
I'll admit that he was not technically wrong to bash Glasto.
Another one is that Ukraine is now an eternal enemy of Russia. It wasn't like that before 2014.
Appointing David Moyes.
What if Russia in 2014 actually decided to support Ukraine, build a friendly relationship with them, and help Ukraine be admitted into the EU? Ukraine would actually become one of the closest Russian allies, only if Russia behaved differently. And actually there was no real reason for Russia not to do that, they wouldn't lose anything by supporting a european path for Ukraine. Russia could make a lot of money selling gas and everyone would be happy. It was really stupid they decided to violently subjugate Ukraine instead, there was no real gain for Russia, whatever the outcome of this. It is not like Russia lacked space or resources. They only managed to alienate many countries.
Oh its always been in Putin's power to make Russia a prosperous country, never been in his interests though. He even did the hard part very quickly, getting control of the corruption and was lauded by the west. He then just took it to a whole new level.
There have now been 2 sightings of the Israeli made Amir MRAPs in Ukraine. Did Israel finally answer the call?
Probably a question for the military historians but what other weapons system has turned the tide on a conflict in such a way...save for the manhattan project which didn't turn the tide but sped up the inevitable, I think its the proximity fuze in the AA artillery during WW2. Overnight the Axis losses of aircraft increased by orders of magnitude. Also, the Stinger missile during the first Afghan War.
The advantage of taking Kherson is they can get to Crimea with them a it easier than before. If they take all of Kherson they will be in fantastic shape.
Did you reply to wrong post?
These affected generations will never forgive most russians, but as someone with family from/in both countries, i would certainly hope that the future goes down a path where eternal enemy is something that can be avoided. Ideally Putin will fall and Russia will slowly democratize, hand over war criminals/punish those complicit at state level and pay massive reparations, setting the groundwork for an eventual relationship as Germany and their WW2 allies have with the rest of Europe today. of course it's far too early to talk about such things, and could easily end up much worse.
I mentioned something like that a while ago as well. Another advantage for Russia is that they thus could have had a good and close relationship with the EU, which would have given Russia the geopolitical influence it craves and largely negated the need for a NATO - instead of the exact opposite that's happened now.
Yes, NATO was half dead, north stream 2 was about to bypass ukraine that was gauging russia for the right of pass of gas and oil, organizing olympic games after decades, being on the G8, tightening economic reationships with europe
I guess it was to rainbowy for ex soviet kgb guys
I guess it was to rainbowy for ex soviet kgb guys
Radar was big. That's an interesting question, I'd be interested to see a documentary about it. Most people are killed by small arms, it might just be the modern rifle.
Stinger would be my pick.
Yes, I agree. Such a stupid move by Putin! Especially since a large part of the Ukrainian population were actually feeling positive towards Russians, many of them studied in Russian universities, spoke the language, had relatives in Russia, had a similar culture, and so on. A "Westernized" Ukraine would never be a danger for Russia, it would be an asset!
This reads like one of those 'could the Nazis have won WW2?' hypotheticals, where someone outlines a path to victory that essentially requires the Nazis to not be Nazis at all.
Of course it would have been more sensible to do what you suggest. But that requires Russia to not be the actual, existing Russia. Peaceful, mutually beneficial cooperation without relying on strength and fear to keep the 'partner' in line? That's gibberish in Moscow. They literally wouldn't understand the concept.
Aircraft and aircraft carriers is mine.
Tanks, look when they are introduced in the ww1 movie all quite on the western front, they were a game changer, to be more precise WW2 how they were used the allies didn’t expect them in the fashion they were used they expected conventional trench warfare taking years to grab ground, whereas tanks could move rapidly on unsuspecting soldiers.
The Trojan horse
They really are thick. Apart from anything, it's not much of a trap if you're broadcasting it to the world.
Airborn radar via the invention of the magnetron turned the war in the atlantic.
The magnetron was later described by American military scientists as "the most valuable cargo ever brought to our shores".
Barbed wire resulted in the WW1 fronts being bogged down for years.
I've read more people were killed by artillery in that war than rifles and machine guns.
That man has some talent for making zero fecking sense and taking a long time to do it
First sorry for your loss, 2nd was 6 in 1990, so i didnt do shit, none of my relatives took part in that war. I shared my own experience/trauma thats all. Imagine how fecking stupid it is to think that whole country should burn because some feckers brainwashed certain % of masses while having nothing else to sell them. Also if you want to dig in the past stop acting like both sides didnt have hands deep in innoncent blood but certainly wont share shit about it.
Not gonna derail further, nor gonna interect with you, no point, i dont know you, have no issue you are Croat or what ever nationality, you probably have issue with mine but i get it, i didnt feel on my own skin shit from that war, you did directly or indirectly, take care.