[RuudTom83]

Sancho is an interesting problem for EtH, we can all agree Sancho has talent...but it's rarely ever transferred to matchdays.

But he is too young to give up on (and too expensive to sell) so you have to believe with coaching he can play a role in the team.

Rashford's issue last season seem to be focus/mental and that has now been solved (simplified explanation)

But I wonder what will become of Jadon.

 

[Sylar]

Sancho is an interesting problem for EtH, we can all agree Sancho has talent...but it's rarely ever transferred to matchdays.

But he is too young to give up on (and too expensive to sell) so you have to believe with coaching he can play a role in the team.

Rashford's issue last season seem to be focus/mental and that has now been solved (simplified explanation)

But I wonder what will become of Jadon.

Good thing for United is that hes not going to the world cup. So its now upto Sancho to work in that period to try and impress ETH.
ETH will have timewith him and we have a few friendlies which will be beneficial.

 

[Pronewbie]

He's been here a year and I can't recall a single game where he was a standout. Right now he is third place on the LW. I'd try him on the RW as competition and backup to Antony. But if it doesn't work, I honestly don't know how we are going to get rid of him. He is on an obscene salary and a long contract. Might just have to hope and pray he comes good, but I can't see it.

He won us the Bangkok Cup.

 

[redcucumber]

I find it incredible that we've already seen Dalot, Shaw, McTominay, Martial, Rashford, and De Gea all adapt and develop to varying degrees as players in the 4/5 months ten Hag has been here, and yet there are still people rushing to proclaim Sancho an overpaid dud that we are going to struggle to get rid of. It's a really weird mentality. In mid September, a sizeable chunk of this forum was outraged that he hadn't been picked by Southgate for the England games. A few months later and he's back to being a pariah. The guy is 22 and had a year of his development taken away from him. Why don't we give him a break and allow for a bit of patience? It's tedious that there's always a hunt for which player we need to trash next.

 

[Trex]

Watching Sancho old videos in Dortmund 343, his role isn't any similar to what he's being asked to do currently as a touchline hugging winger, he's a roaming winger/playmaker hybrid.
His best quality are his link up play, he can take on his man with quick shoulder drops but he'll quickly look for a pass which is easier in central areas where there are options. On the wing you need pace to fully get away from your man and he doesn't really have that level of pace to consistently beat an EPL fullback.
He maybe best as a false 9 or probably in the Bruno role, I don't think the current role suit him. But he still needs to do better applying himself even now though.

 

[RedRonaldo]

They make an important point in that video, a lot of people on here seemed to think that Sancho would be a 1 on 1 monster dribbler and beat FBs like they aren't even there, but even at Dortmund he didn't do that. Sancho is great if he can combine with other players, but not 1 on 1. This is going to be a problem under ten Hag I assume because at Ajax I think he expected his wingers to stay wide and be able to beat a man on the outside or cut inside and shoot, pretty much like the stuff that Antony is good at.

Garnacho seems to be a much better fit for that kind of task right now.

Well I’d say he still has high dribbling stats at Dortmund, avg 3.3 per game in his best season. Naturally people would have expect him doing the same at PL. but turns out he only avg 1 dribble per game here.

 

[Stacks]

I find it incredible that we've already seen Dalot, Shaw, McTominay, Martial, Rashford, and De Gea all adapt and develop to varying degrees as players in the 4/5 months ten Hag has been here, and yet there are still people rushing to proclaim Sancho an overpaid dud that we are going to struggle to get rid of. It's a really weird mentality. In mid September, a sizeable chunk of this forum was outraged that he hadn't been picked by Southgate for the England games. A few months later and he's back to being a pariah. The guy is 22 and had a year of his development taken away from him. Why don't we give him a break and allow for a bit of patience? It's tedious that there's always a hunt for which player we need to trash next.

it was mainly on name and rep. he wasn't exactly outperforming his peers. Even today some still think he should have made the world cup based on his name and Dortmund stats. He is mentally broken. Thats the issue. Its hard to get out of that

Watching Sancho old videos in Dortmund 343, his role isn't any similar to what he's being asked to do currently as a touchline hugging winger, he's a roaming winger/playmaker hybrid.
His best quality are his link up play, he can take on his man with quick shoulder drops but he'll quickly look for a pass which is easier in central areas where there are options. On the wing you need pace to fully get away from your man and he doesn't really have that level of pace to consistently beat an EPL fullback.
He maybe best as a false 9 or probably in the Bruno role, I don't think the current role suit him. But he still needs to do better applying himself even now though.

Yeah he just has a fear of failure it seems. Kind of like Ben Simmons

 

[redcucumber]

it was mainly on name and rep. he wasn't exactly outperforming his peers. Even today some still think he should have made the world cup based on his name and Dortmund stats. He is mentally broken. Thats the issue. Its hard to get out of that

No it wasn't. He was performing well at the time, and was our best player in a few of the games up until the City match where it obviously went badly. He was good against Spurs, though, obviously getting the assist for Fred's goal. He was definitely outperforming his peers in Bowen, Grealish etc. I've not seen anyone at all say he should be going to the World Cup.

How can you have possibly ascertained that he is mentally broken? What a bizarre thing to say. He still has loads of development to do, both physically and mentally but to say he is mentally broken is just odd. ten Hag has mentioned his conditioning needs work which is something they'll be working on, which you'd hope would improve how he exerts himself. When Salah was 22, be was bumbling around at Chelsea still finding his feet. Players develop at different rates and it's not always a linear thing so it's pointless to expect absolute consistency from Sancho when he's still just 22 and finding his feet after the disaster of last season.

 

[OleGunnar20]

Talents there, just seems a little lost.

I've no doubt he's with the right coach in ETH to help him turn it around, he'll just have to be up for the fight now to hold a place in that Winger rotation of ours. Fingers crossed.

 

[El Jefe]

I don't think he has a bad attitude the question with his attitude is how bad does he want it and does he care enough.

He's incredibly talented and that has gotten him all the success that he's had so far in his career. Clearly he needs more to make it here and I feel EtH is pushing him to work harder and be more dedicated. The mindset that Dalot showed to turn things around is what Sancho needs to be able to do.

Talk about his position or who plays at full back or team movement is all irrelevant. Sancho needs to do better himself, he has no one else to blame.

 

[Stacks]

No it wasn't. He was performing well at the time, and was our best player in a few of the games up until the City match where it obviously went badly. He was good against Spurs, though, obviously getting the assist for Fred's goal. He was definitely outperforming his peers in Bowen, Grealish etc. I've not seen anyone at all say he should be going to the World Cup.

How can you have possibly ascertained that he is mentally broken? What a bizarre thing to say. He still has loads of development to do, both physically and mentally but to say he is mentally broken is just odd. ten Hag has mentioned his conditioning needs work which is something they'll be working on, which you'd hope would improve how he exerts himself. When Salah was 22, be was bumbling around at Chelsea still finding his feet. Players develop at different rates and it's not always a linear thing so it's pointless to expect absolute consistency from Sancho when he's still just 22 and finding his feet after the disaster of last season.

He was never our best player. Not for any period. He would get the odd goal or assist but was largely the same as he is now on the periphery. The only thing that has changed is the doesnt grab a G or A now. The standards/expectations for Jadon are literally on the floor if you think he was one of our best players. The difference between his impact vs Garnacho is chalk and cheese. He was literally playing scared vs Spurs and Shearer even commented "Jadon has his man one on one and all he does is take the easy option every time and just pass it backwards. he needs to take on more responsibility" you thinking that was a good game proves my point. You have floor level standards.

I can ascertain he is mentally broken because he is playing like a b***h. a far cry from the bravery he had at dortmund where you couldn't stop him from trying to take on his man, driving at teams, running with the ball and humiliating people. this is literally a different person. He is afraid to fail so barely even tries stuff. Thats what I mean by mentally broken. We are witnessing the same thing with Ben Simmons in the NBA. dudes who wont even try things because they are scared it wont work out and so they just take the easy "low risk" route every time.

Difference with Salah is he wasn't bought for 75 million from a big club so you expect different things. People acting like Jadon is a youth academy promoted player.

 

[Grande]

He was never our best player. Not for any period. He would get the odd goal or assist but was largely the same as he is now on the periphery. The only thing that has changed is the doesnt grab a G or A now. The standards/expectations for Jadon are literally on the floor if you think he was one of our best players. The difference between his impact vs Garnacho is chalk and cheese. He was literally playing scared vs Spurs and Shearer even commented "Jadon has his man one on one and all he does is take the easy option every time and just pass it backwards. he needs to take on more responsibility" you thinking that was a good game proves my point. You have floor level standards.

I can ascertain he is mentally broken because he is playing like a b***h. a far cry from the bravery he had at dortmund where you couldn't stop him from trying to take on his man, driving at teams, running with the ball and humiliating people. this is literally a different person. He is afraid to fail so barely even tries stuff. Thats what I mean by mentally broken. We are witnessing the same thing with Ben Simmons in the NBA. dudes who wont even try things because they are scared it wont work out and so they just take the easy "low risk" route every time.

Difference with Salah is he wasn't bought for 75 million from a big club so you expect different things. People acting like Jadon is a youth academy promoted player.

He has had a couple of good games this season, not compared to my expectations of him but compared to the other 22 players on the pitch. MoTM I don’t think, but he played well a couple of times. I agree with your main take, that he doesn’t seem to fully trust himself much of the time.

 

[mariko48]

Well I’d say he still has high dribbling stats at Dortmund, avg 3.3 per game in his best season. Naturally people would have expect him doing the same at PL. but turns out he only avg 1 dribble per game here.

PL defenders are faster and stronger.

 

[Zehner]

PL defenders are faster and stronger.

Doesn't really matter when you don't rely on strength or pace when dribbling. The EPL is the best league in the world but not the football equivalent to the NBA.

 

[NoLogo]

Well I’d say he still has high dribbling stats at Dortmund, avg 3.3 per game in his best season. Naturally people would have expect him doing the same at PL. but turns out he only avg 1 dribble per game here.

I think they point out in the video fairly accurately to why this is the case. The dribblings he used to do for Dortmund where usually ball carries from deeper positions and very few times against the faster FBs, the way he needs to do them in EtH's system, he is simply not fast/explosive enough for that, unlike Garnacho for example who is excellent at it due to his acceleration, technique and pace.

That being said, I don't even want to deny that he has been underwhelming so far and needs to step it if he wants back in the first team, no matter where he ends up playing and in which role.

 

[Strootman's Finger]

I find it incredible that we've already seen Dalot, Shaw, McTominay, Martial, Rashford, and De Gea all adapt and develop to varying degrees as players in the 4/5 months ten Hag has been here, and yet there are still people rushing to proclaim Sancho an overpaid dud that we are going to struggle to get rid of. It's a really weird mentality. In mid September, a sizeable chunk of this forum was outraged that he hadn't been picked by Southgate for the England games. A few months later and he's back to being a pariah. The guy is 22 and had a year of his development taken away from him. Why don't we give him a break and allow for a bit of patience? It's tedious that there's always a hunt for which player we need to trash next.

No it wasn't. He was performing well at the time, and was our best player in a few of the games up until the City match where it obviously went badly. He was good against Spurs, though, obviously getting the assist for Fred's goal. He was definitely outperforming his peers in Bowen, Grealish etc. I've not seen anyone at all say he should be going to the World Cup.

How can you have possibly ascertained that he is mentally broken? What a bizarre thing to say. He still has loads of development to do, both physically and mentally but to say he is mentally broken is just odd. ten Hag has mentioned his conditioning needs work which is something they'll be working on, which you'd hope would improve how he exerts himself. When Salah was 22, be was bumbling around at Chelsea still finding his feet. Players develop at different rates and it's not always a linear thing so it's pointless to expect absolute consistency from Sancho when he's still just 22 and finding his feet after the disaster of last season.

As someone not from England, so watching United and viewing England from the outside I was utterly perplexed by the Sancho debate during those september games. He may have scored a couple goals at that point, but generally he wasn't playing well, and I remember that being the consensus on this board, but once he wasn't picked for England I think United fans rallied around the cause, and forgot he didn't actually deserve to be called up in those games and just defended Sancho, and in the mean time, ended up convincing themselves he was actually playing well.

 

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[Abraxas]

I don't think he has a bad attitude the question with his attitude is how bad does he want it and does he care enough.

He's incredibly talented and that has gotten him all the success that he's had so far in his career. Clearly he needs more to make it here and I feel EtH is pushing him to work harder and be more dedicated. The mindset that Dalot showed to turn things around is what Sancho needs to be able to do.

Talk about his position or who plays at full back or team movement is all irrelevant. Sancho needs to do better himself, he has no one else to blame.

What is the distinction between a bad attitude and does he want it and care enough? They're one and the same thing. He should want it and care enough, he is being paid at a level where there should be some kind of acknowledgment that it is a two way transaction and in exchange he gives everything to be the best he can, and if he comes up short then that's different, that's ability.

He hasn't played a single 90 minute match at a high intensity, he's never put in much more than a strong 45 minutes and the theory is probably that he isn't strong enough, fit enough to do that at this level. Where does that come from? It comes from a poor attitude because any young athlete is capable of that, there is absolutely no explaining it away. That's nothing to do with beating his man or passing responsibility onto others, it's a basic duty for a top flight footballer. Equals a bad attitude.

 

[Bondi77]

As someone not from England, so watching United and viewing England from the outside I was utterly perplexed by the Sancho debate during those september games. He may have scored a couple goals at that point, but generally he wasn't playing well, and I remember that being the consensus on this board, but once he wasn't picked for England I think United fans rallied around the cause, and forgot he didn't actually deserve to be called up in those games and just defended Sancho, and in the mean time, ended up convincing themselves he was actually playing well.

If we fielded two England squads he still wouldn't make it.
Some are impressed with a fancy flick every now and then and a nice piece of technique displayed when there is no pressure on the ball and Sancho has all that and more in his locker but it simply does not cut it in the Premier League.
He came with a huge price tag and is on a huge wage and that means he has to hit the ground running but from what he has shown so far he is not up for it in the Premier League.

 

[Giggsy13]

This break will do him good. Giving up on a 22 year old young talent is not the way especially when we spent so much time and expense to get him. With Garnacho coming up, we suddenly have a bit of competition. Hopefully he uses that as motivation to get himself back in good form. He’s certainly not as bad as everyone is making him out to be.

 

[Bondi77]

This break will do him good. Giving up on a 22 year old young talent is not the way especially when we spent so much time and expense to get him. With Garnacho coming up, we suddenly have a bit of competition. Hopefully he uses that as motivation to get himself back in good form. He’s certainly not as bad as everyone is making him out to be.

Do you mean Dortmund form when you say "good form"

 

[TheReligion]

This break will do him good. Giving up on a 22 year old young talent is not the way especially when we spent so much time and expense to get him. With Garnacho coming up, we suddenly have a bit of competition. Hopefully he uses that as motivation to get himself back in good form. He’s certainly not as bad as everyone is making him out to be.

Don’t talk such sense!

Not allowed here

 

[MattofManchester]

Honestly, he just doesn't look like he has the ability to succeed in the PL. Sometimes, there are players like this.

He doesn't have the pace or the intensity or the work rate. He looks like a poor signing. If anything, he should probably look for a move back to the Bundesliga or Italy where he can play to his skills.

He has been a nothing player throughout his time here. I don't think there's a player there that will succeed in the PL.

 

[TwoSheds]

What is the distinction between a bad attitude and does he want it and care enough? They're one and the same thing. He should want it and care enough, he is being paid at a level where there should be some kind of acknowledgment that it is a two way transaction and in exchange he gives everything to be the best he can, and if he comes up short then that's different, that's ability.

He hasn't played a single 90 minute match at a high intensity, he's never put in much more than a strong 45 minutes and the theory is probably that he isn't strong enough, fit enough to do that at this level. Where does that come from? It comes from a poor attitude because any young athlete is capable of that, there is absolutely no explaining it away. That's nothing to do with beating his man or passing responsibility onto others, it's a basic duty for a top flight footballer. Equals a bad attitude.

At Premier League level money has nothing to do with why footballers are motivated to play well, improve and win things. That has to be intrinsic because they either enjoy playing football or enjoy winning or both. Extrinsic reward almost never yields sustainable results.

https://www.processexcellencenetwor...mns/pyschology-of-people-deming-s-sopk-part-i

 

[Onerealunited]

It is clear that he is not our best player on the left wing. Is it worth utilizing him as a backup for Bruno? Then we would have Bruno and Sancho as AM and Rashford and Garnacho as LW options. In my view Sancho would be better utilized through the middle and then we have a competent backup / competition for Bruno as well.

 

[Longshanks]

I think he could be the new pogba, and thats not a compliment. Loads of talent and technique let down by a lack of mental edge and unwillingness to put his body on the line.

The way he shirks tackles and is left lacking when things get physical is a mental choice. He also seems to be struggling with a fear of failure which suggest the pressure of a big club is too much for him.

I would love him to get over his mental weaknesses because he has all the tools to be a very good player but I fear he will forever be inconsistent and become a you tube highlights player.

 

[Onerealunited]

Maybe we should treat him like a young player and slowly get him into the team by giving him a few minutes here and there to strengthen his mentality and protect him from all the pressure. One thing that is clear is that he has the talent and the main task for the team is to get that talent out on the pitch. I have not given up on him yet

 

[space]

Hmm worried about him, I hope it's nothing serious - he's only a kid

 

[DWelbz19]

He has deleted all his Instagram posts and blacked out his social media. Mr “bad behaviour” is more likely than not going through some personal issues right now. Hopefully he gets some rest and recovery in this World Cup break.

 

[CloneMC16]

He has deleted all his Instagram posts and blacked out his social media. Mr “bad behaviour” is more likely than not going through some personal issues right now. Hopefully he gets some rest and recovery in this World Cup break.

He's been 'ill' for too long. Something is up.

 

[Eli Zee]

Sancho is an interesting problem for EtH, we can all agree Sancho has talent...but it's rarely ever transferred to matchdays.

But he is too young to give up on (and too expensive to sell) so you have to believe with coaching he can play a role in the team.

Rashford's issue last season seem to be focus/mental and that has now been solved (simplified explanation)

But I wonder what will become of Jadon.

i feel like sancho is missing a burst of speed...if He was 5% quicker, he'd be 15% more effective in his role.

 

[UnitedSofa]

He has deleted all his Instagram posts and blacked out his social media. Mr “bad behaviour” is more likely than not going through some personal issues right now. Hopefully he gets some rest and recovery in this World Cup break.

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[TMDaines]

Good lad. Hopefully some time relaxing and training hard will do him well.

 

[K Stand Knut]

Good lad. Hopefully some time relaxing and training hard will do him well.

This might be an issue!

Apparently hasn’t trained hard for weeks.

Has been ‘ill’ and hasn’t really been to ‘work’ because of the illness either

Mentality is going to be his issue and really needs to change his attitude.

 

[Real Name]

This might be an issue!

Apparently hasn’t trained hard for weeks.

Has been ‘ill’ and hasn’t really been to ‘work’ because of the illness either

Mentality is going to be his issue and really needs to change his attitude.

Apparently according to who?

 

[K Stand Knut]

Apparently according to who?

Someone from the medical team at the club

 

[Bondi77]

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Can't someone train hard and still be on social media??
What a crock!

 

[Escobar]

Can't someone train hard and still be on social media??
What a crock!

Not if you get called names and everyone behves like an idiot. Good for him. Does he have kids btw?

 

[Bondi77]

Not if you get called names and everyone behves like an idiot. Good for him. Does he have kids btw?

Bizarre....given that he plays professional football which involves playing in front of at least 30,000 fans at least once a week.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Bizarre....given that he plays professional football which involves playing in front of at least 30,000 fans at least once a week.

Doesn’t mean you’re not human & turn off emotions.

The shit that gets said on Socials is far worse than what you hear at the stadium & online it’s targeted abuse and feels more personal.

It would be interesting to know what players can actually hear and understand when on the pitch