Hi Nicola.
Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish Independence
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Because we're a handbag for all the Royal family tea set owning muppets.
Altodevil seems to be doing a lot of laughing and criticising other people's posts without much of explanation or discussion on his own thoughts.
Because it's clear that the majority of folk here get the English media view of Nicola and the Scottish government. Indoctrinated.
The English media rarely give the SNP much airtime outside of Indy Ref. This story is one of the few that I've actually heard lead a news bulletin down here that isn't about Indy Ref. You have to seek out someone like Andrew Nield to hear actual criticism of the SNP's governance in Scotland if you're in England. Scottish politicians that aren't in the SNP regularly complain that she gets an easy ride down here with 'softball' questions. I tend to agree with that assessment but the truth is that people aren't interested enough in Scottish politics here to justify going deep into it.
Correct them?
So you think that the English are indoctrinated by 'reason 2' on a Sun article from the election 2015 but the Scots are not indoctrinated by that absurd front page from the same time?
Not at all. I think the consistent messaging of Sturgeon in the English press has been negative. Outside of the 2015 election period, you would be hard pushed to say it has been consistently positive messaging for her in any Scottish paper or outlet aside from The National. Daily Record maybe.
Odds are most of them voted for Boris, May, Cameron etc. Lost causes.
Maybe in the right wing tabloid rags but for my part I don't read them. I tend to use the BBC and The Guardian as my main media sources.
The right leaning parts of the press (the majority and definitely the biggest selling) benefit from the SNP doing well. They make the tories pretty untouchable by labour in elections. If the SNP were to falter the tories would definitely be keeping a nervous eye on that. My general impression of the SNP is that they are treated with some respect in England and were considered a well run party that absolutely hammered labour in the areas that labour needed to do well in. That doesn't mean there hasn't been some negative stories of course but that's the case for any political party.
Recently the press has been different but that's because of the stuff going on and it would be difficult not to have negative undertones as if nothing else its a bit of an embarrassment to the SNP.
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Crickets from all the clowns in here last few days. No surprise.
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It's now clear why he battled SNP/Sturge, for his own party benefit. Egotist. If he wanted independence he wouldn't do this.
Not sure how he can claim to be for the people when he's costing us shit tons every time he decides to sue the government.
Didn’t Alba make electronics?
It's also the name of every Empire I make in Crusader Kings 2 and 3. That must be where he got it from.
It's an Argos own brand now.
By only putting forward candidates for the list he is breaking PR and could pick up many additional MPs.
Not from the SNP but other parties
Yep, he's a dickhead. I want independence, but not at the expense of breaking the electoral system.
If a system can be broken so easily, doesn’t the system need to change?
from the brief segment to news I watched yesterday, he looks like a boxer 20 years past his prime. A complete joke.
You would have to question anyone who wanted to represent this ‘party’.
It will fall on its arse.
Probably at this stage. I'd prefer straight PR but can't blame the current system. It is way way more proportional and fair than Westminster
Scottish government loses independence vote ruling
The Scottish government cannot hold an independence referendum without UK government’s consent, Supreme Court rules.
The Scottish government cannot hold an independence referendum without UK government’s consent, Supreme Court rules.
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Well thank feck for that. Maybe she can focus on not doing a shit job now? What am I saying...madness. Bunch of halfwits.
I'm sure the Scottish who want to be less dependent on London decisions will be satisfied to hear they can't do it without London's approval.
You'll leave when they say you can leave.
Time for a soft coup.
Time for a soft coup.
Alternatively, I’m not sure rejecting the request from an elected government to hold something that was pledged in their manifesto is a great look.
If there wasn't the legal case for it, maybe it shouldn't have been pledged in such a definitive matter?
I'm sure there will be further calls for independence, but the SNP's ability to bring this forward has taken a beating today.
Sorry Scotland, you're going down with us.
Rebellion so
That’s true. However, if the Westminster Government flat out refuses any way forward for it to happen then that would be pretty galling for the electorate north of the border. Effectively, know your place and shut up.
This might have bought me a few more years to move up to Scotland before they have the referendum, get independence, lock the doors and rejoin the EU. But it's a shit decision.
God she is a vile little creature
The result was obvious. I bet even the Scottish government didn't think the court would side with them. But it kept independence on the radar, so job done for Nicola, at the expense of the taxpayers.
Terrible post
cheers
The de facto referendum via a general is a pretty bleak prospect for them. They got 45% last election but that was based on a protest vote against Boris and Corbyn, two very unpopular leaders in Scotland.