Yep agree with that, always had the ability, but his decision making was poor sometimes. I think his loans back to South America did him a lot of good.
Hope he has a decent career, except when he plays against us .
Andreas Pereira | Fulham player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Hope he has a decent career, except when he plays against us .
He looked far more bothered today than he ever did while playing for us.
It just shows how big the gap is from a smaller club to United. I have grim memories of the first half of 19-20 and Pereira playing a lot. A nothing player back then. Good for him
finally showing his true ability at senior level
Some players are just better off at a smaller club. Good for him
It’s amazing what confidence can do. He would kind of hide and be shy when playing for us. At Fulham he walks around like a midfield dictator. Some players just can’t hack it at a club like United I guess. It was weird watching yesterdays game and thinking, I’d rather have this Perreira than this Bruno. If someone told me I’d be saying that two years ago I’d have sectioned them.
Thank lord your not our manager!
I agree with this 100% - I always thought he looked very timid and afraid when playing for us. I watched him on his loan spells in Spain - even when he played Barca and Real he played very well. Even in pre season for us he looked great. But come season time he just looked so nervous. Maybe it was coaching, maybe it was just being too young.
Pressure is different when playing for us. A player like Peirara needs to have the freedom to make mistakes for him to grow and develop and it is something most top sides can’t afford.
If he keeps developing like how he’s played this season, he’ll be the sort of player that we wish the club would take a chance on to make the step up but him being from our academy would probably mean we’ll never take him back.
When playing for United he always looked slow and lacking in physical attributes, but yesterday he looked rather quick in some one on ones.
It's not necessarily about 'United', it may have just been hard for him at the club where he came through, with all the expectation around him for years. It's probably quite difficult to progress mentally in that sort of situation, whereas walking into a new club as an adult, you can decide your own status to some extent. He might have a few great years and be ready to come back and be a different player for us.
Basically. It's worked out well for everyone which is always nice to see.
Maybe he's maturing too, he's played for many small sides and had no impact. His time was clearly done at United but maybe he's now ready to hit his peak.
Nice performance.
A solid PL midfielder, just not at the level we want. It's nice to see our academy players perform well. I just hate it when it's against us
A solid PL midfielder, just not at the level we want. It's nice to see our academy players perform well. I just hate it when it's against us
Yep, pressure is an amazing factor. No one wants to make a mistake, but every player in every club in the world makes mistakes, almost every game. For a young player trying to make his way in the professional game, the first team can seem like a dragons den. I'm not surprised that Pereira performed well in pre seasons, there was no pressure, but back in the EPL it's immense. Some of the stick he got on this forum was disgraceful at times, like much of it now for a number of players.
I wonder if some of the people making these comments have never made a mistake in their lives, almost certainly not, so before you make a comment on here about players x, y and z being s**t, and everything else that goes with it, go look in the mirror and ask yourself, ',is that person I'm looking at been perfect at the job they are paid to do'?
I always thought Pereira had the technical qualities to make it, but he seems to have taken a while to get his decision making, and speed of thought in certain situations up to EPL level.
I wish him well in his career.
He's been good but still not good enough for a top club. Always happy that academy players do well even if on other teams.
Glad he found a team where he can shine.
Glad he found a team where he can shine.
Is really looking good at Fulham.
Makes some intelligent runs, brilliant on the ball and puts in a proper shift.
Definitely could have been useful for us this season.
Makes some intelligent runs, brilliant on the ball and puts in a proper shift.
Definitely could have been useful for us this season.
No! For fecks sake!
He would perform better than VdB at least, but that's is pretty low bar, he is doing well since he is playing for a mid table side which suits his ability..
How? In what way?
He is performing decently because he plays for a decent team. There is no tangible evidence he would be any more useful than Fred, McTominay or van de Beek (which in itself is scraping the barrel).
People consistently underrate the importance of a player’s surroundings in their performances. Just because he is doing okay for a midtable Fulham side, it doesn’t mean he would be useful for us.
Because he's a decent player who would easily add depth to a position we are short of quality in, you even alluded to that yourself.
Pretty sure he's showing tangible evidence that he would be useful by performing well at Fulham.
In current form he would be above VDB, Fred and McT for me.
People underestimate the importance of good players having time in the pitch to show what they are capable of.
I think you underestimate the fact that Fred and McT would most likely look very good at Fulham's level too. Perreira is doing fine at Fulham, happy for him but he has shown during the years that United is just a step too big for him. He would have added depth I agree, but quality? I can't see how.
Pereira had that here and demonstrated that he wasn’t good enough. That’s fine, too. We sold him for a good fee and everybody has won.
Playing decent for Fulham is not the same as getting an occasional twenty minutes for Manchester United. Different clubs, different pressures.
Move on. He has.
He had ample enough chances at United and never looked right. His performances for Fulham won't necessarily correlate to United. Fred would look brilliant at Fulham, as would McTominay.
I'm not saying you, but the cafe has a weird hold on to players that have been sold. Some have wanted to re-sign the likes of Welbeck, Chicharito, Evans, Cleverley and Ravel fecking Morrison for this so called depth. Even though the majority proved that they weren't good enough for United.
Also from a quick read from Fulham fans, no one singled out Pereira for his performance yesterday. Tete, Palhina, Cairney and Ream all seemed to be their standout performers- incidentally looks like they despise Dan James.
Perfect place for him under a manager that plays good football. Was never built for the big stage. Happy for him.
Didn't think he'd do well for a smaller club in the PL at all to be fair. Happy to be proven wrong.
Hope he continues to have a solid career from here on out, and maybe knocks in a goal or two against the scouse given the chance.
Hope he continues to have a solid career from here on out, and maybe knocks in a goal or two against the scouse given the chance.
The £8-10m that Fulham paid for him is one of the bargains of the season.
To be fair he never actually got a decent run of games in a fully functioning United side, I do wonder if he broke through now would he have had more success.
Doing really well; fair play.
The thing is he couldn't. And I'll explain why. He's only become the player he is performance wise because he's one of the first names on the team sheet. Hence, he's got more confidence from that environment and he's given more freedom to play as mostly everything goes through him. These things never would have happened at United because those opportunities weren't there for him.
But most importantly, he's playing every single week and has been for some time now. He wouldn't have been useful for us because we would never have gotten this version of Andreas. If he'd stayed with us, he'd still be the same timid player who was only making the odd sub appearance, thus he would never become what he has now because he wouldn't have the game time or confidence to develop as he has at Fulham. Yes the Andreas you see now could certainly be useful for us, but if he had stayed we'd never have seen the player he's been afforded the time to become and if he came back his limited game time would likely mean he'd regress via the same factors mentioned above which are enabling his growth within the relatively low pressure environment at Fulham.
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Frustrating that we paid 40m for DVB and sold AP for 10m.
He is a much better player than he gets credit for on here.
Nothing to do with ability then.
Well put. It bothers me when people underestimate the importance of players building confidence by having a run in a team, and incidentally also when they underestimate players who perform well despite largely being bench or as rotation options. I think it's safe to assume Pereira was never getting the former here, even if it's what, by the looks of it, he needed to establish himself as a fairly decent mid-level player.
It's more about mentality. Some players don't seem to have the motivation or confidence to impose themselves when they're only getting a few minutes here and there, especially when it goes on for years. At that point it's in the player's best interest to move on and try a different club. He just wouldn't be the same player here on our bench as he is now at Fulham.
Incidentally I think it's really smart business for lesser clubs to pick up these talents on the cheap.
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err what?
Oh my lord.
For sure getting 90 minutes every week has improved his game somewhat, but the ability he has is still there whether he plays 90 every week or not.
He would be a brilliant option off the bench or as a starter in the cups for us, he would be a better option then a few other players currently on the bench in my eyes.
He's doing well but still nowhere near good enough for a club like United, not even as a squad player.
Oh i'm not questioning his ability - my post alludes that he's a talented player. What I'm saying is that talent has only developed to the level it has because he left United. And coming back could potentially lead to some regression due to massively reduced playing time and the different environmental pressures.
Some people still think Grealish isn't good enough for us. The United bench is a sacred place, right up there with the Bernabeu and San Siro.