This. People tend to overpositiving it cause it’s running pretty well at the moment. Could be an alright option though.
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Mark Hughes was about 5’10 and he hardly played like a big lump up front.
This.
Depends if they've sold up and gone or not. If not I can see us buying Weghorst in full.
Our players will still just lump it to him. It is not the best approach, as we wanted to move away from that type of football.
I’ve been saying for a while now we need a no9 with certain skills & qualities, in particularly for home matches when the opposition sits back more or when we need to force something in a match. We don’t need another Gakpo or Thuram type player. We could do with a Arnoutovic/Giroud/CalvertLewin type no9. That would improve us significantly because it would make the team more effective particularly in the style ten Hag wants to play. Weghorst fits that bill brilliantly.
Have you been watching us play at under Ten Hag?!?! Do you honestly think Ten Hag is going to play long ball football????
I don't know who people were expecting us to bring in this window when you take our summer spending and (fingers crossed) the sale of our club in motion.
Weghorst will be a shrewd loan, he offers strength, pressing and a new threath up front. He will work his arse off for us.
And if it doesn't work out, then he's gone in the summer.
Weghorst will be a shrewd loan, he offers strength, pressing and a new threath up front. He will work his arse off for us.
And if it doesn't work out, then he's gone in the summer.
He will compliment the likes of Rashford, Antony, Bruno, Eriksen, etc. That’s what good teams are all about.
Don’t think you need to worry about that. When we had Fellaini and Moyes, we did that a lot because Moyes wanted that alot. When Van Gaal was here, we hardly did it at all. Under Mourinho, we did it again because of Mourinho, not because of Fellaini. But Fella was useful for us at those times, because he could execute a part of the managers plan well.
When Ten Hag has a Weghorst/Haller/Jordan/Stapleton, he will use him in his way, and so will his team. Ajax with Haller was no ‘lump it to Seb’-team at all, neither will United be. But it is always useful to have different tools in the toolbox, not 22 monkey wrenches.
Fellaini was only an option to stick up front and lump balls up to and sometimes he would even nick one. You're making it sound like he was a CF for us for a season or two.
Also we've tried that exact tactic this season with Maguire.
Is Kane available right now? I very much doubt it
A better footballer than Weghorst, but not a Centre Forward. Why should ETH have players foisted on him that don’t fit?
More of a proper Centre Forward, but misses lots of chances. Weghorst’s conversion rate is better, though not at Burnley.
Maybe EtH regards his performances at AZ and Wolfsburg (and Beşiktaş) more representative of his ability than those at Dyche’s Burnley?
If Ronaldo had made it clear that he wanted to leave the moment it was certain that we weren’t making Top Four we wouldn’t be having this current crisis.
My expectations were as low as thinking we would get nobody. I still think we will get nobody so a striker on loan who won't be a starter but a sub option until the summer is a bonus
People always say "bring the fast player to play against tired legs to cause havoc" but it almost never happened. Maybe because average professional footballers train to play for 90 minutes dont die after 70 mins.
He wasn’t a great winner of headers, but his chest control was outstanding
I don’t think Ten Hag will use him for long ball… that isn’t Ten Hags style of play. He’ll use him to hold up the ball and link up with others. Will also be useful for us on set pieces which we’ve started scoring more of since we have Eriksen who can whip in a ball. Aslong as he’s one of them strikers that tries to get on the end of everything then he’ll be useful. We don’t have a striker that runs in the penalty box and sniffs out chances.
Funnily enough, bring in a big forward in the final minutes and you'll see teams adapting and bringing on a tall CB to shore up the defence. We most certainly do.
The first thing that springs to mind is… why is he out on loan from Burnley if hes any good
Short term option when we are crying out for another striker due to our other one who is made of glass...this is a no brainer
20 pages on this already. He's literally a Championship level striker. Give us a fecking break. Do...Not...Want!
Because when he signed in January it was agreed he could leave if they went down. Next?
Firstly he's not that good, he would be coming in as an option off the bench (people in here going in depth about his uses tactically are going into too much detail, his main use is as a body to get us through the season and he won't start many, if any, games), but secondly Burnley got relegated so he would have wanted out and went to Besiktas who have had an option to make the deal permanent. We're looking for a low-cost loan, funnily enough clubs don't offer genuinely good players out on loan for cheap.
Agreed with everything. People need to be realistic and understand we‘re broke. Get something decent now is the best we can do. And we rather spend big in the summer
What do you expect? It’s a loan signing. We spent 200m in the summer, we are now broke and the club is for sale. Honestly what were youu expecting? That we go drop 50-100m on someone?
I know right!
So basically it wont work then. Almost every CB in the league is a tall bastard as well. With the exception of Licha but he can jump 2 metres.
I think there was a contract condition where they had to loan him if they get relegated.
Is it really a fascination? It's a short-term loan until the summer when we have one fit striker and no money to spend.
If he's given a blank cheque in the summer and this is the first signing he makes, by all means, but it's obvious he's operating under constraints here.
To be fair to the guy he is a Dutch international and his record aside from Burley is decent. 45 in 86 games for AZ, 70 in 144 for Wolfsburg and 9 in 18 in Turkey so pretty consistently 1 in 2 which is great for someone of that size?
To be able to bring someone like this for next to nothing in our situation actually smacks of quite shrewd business!
Me, I'm prepared to trust EtHs judgment on what he needs, all the way. Because he has been so spectacularly right so far.
It'd be disappointing if Weghorst is what we'll have for a 2nd choice or 1B striker going forward, but he seems to me a better player than some around here give him credit for - only seen him for Holland (and a little for Burnley last year), but he looks like more than just a big guy who can convert crosses. If you accept the assumption that we're shopping for short-term depth and with little money to spend, then he's a decent to good option I think.
It'd be disappointing if Weghorst is what we'll have for a 2nd choice or 1B striker going forward, but he seems to me a better player than some around here give him credit for - only seen him for Holland (and a little for Burnley last year), but he looks like more than just a big guy who can convert crosses. If you accept the assumption that we're shopping for short-term depth and with little money to spend, then he's a decent to good option I think.
Yeah I consider Haller a big lump. Not that he’s a bad player. It’s clear he played an effective role for ETH last year, but that’s not the kind of player I’d want as a #9 personally. Weghorst doesn’t bother me much as a short-term stop gap, but I wouldn’t be keen on us splashing out a lot on that style of striker once we’ve got some cash.
He's plan B option that's good to have, especially when we're chasing a goal or two.
ETH isn't going to sign a backup player and change whole system around him.
Is he a better option than Maguire up front? If the answer is yes, it's easy to see the benefit of the signing.
This is a STOP GAP SIGNING you moaning twats. He is here for 6 months because he fits the bill and does not cost a bomb.
Why the feck would so many of you wants us to sign a number 10 for 15m loan fee + 6m wages for 6 months (21m for 6 months means 210m for a standard 5 year contract for those of you who can't count), just so that we can play him out of position? Are you lot not fecking tired of plugging expensive square pegs into round holes?
Why the feck would so many of you wants us to sign a number 10 for 15m loan fee + 6m wages for 6 months (21m for 6 months means 210m for a standard 5 year contract for those of you who can't count), just so that we can play him out of position? Are you lot not fecking tired of plugging expensive square pegs into round holes?
I agree, I think it's a fine pick-up given the circumstances. My point was more at people who seemed disappointed with this, we're looking for a low-cost loan so we weren't going to get anyone that good but he's better than a lot of other names thrown around. This guy can actually play a few minutes (especially in games that are over or where we want to go more direct late on) to protect Martial somewhat and maybe can contribute a goal or two, that would be useful for the rest of the season.
Strangely coming round to this signing. We know EtH likes tall centre forwards after Haller and Arnautovic, so he has enough credit in the bank for me to trust his decision on this and the over all plan. It's obviously a stop gap and he can easily score some crucial goals for us from set pieces when we need them most.
Players get tired no matter how fit they are, particularly the forwards lose some of their explosiveness. It’s why games tend to open up in the last quarter.
I've been blathering on about wanting a big, old fashioned number 9 since last season. It's where this current football tactics cycle is going, hence City and Liverpool buying brute force 9s.
It's a great option against teams who sit in, get a set piece/scruffy goal where one player physically outmuscles/wins their battle with their defender.
Those usually lower placed teams will then have to come out, can't keep sitting in, then the counter will murder them.
It's a great option against teams who sit in, get a set piece/scruffy goal where one player physically outmuscles/wins their battle with their defender.
Those usually lower placed teams will then have to come out, can't keep sitting in, then the counter will murder them.
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