Joao Felix / on loan to Chelsea

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I'm having a hard time believing that the Chelsea project appealed to him, unless he doesn't follow football.
 

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Apparently based on the 5 other posts that quoted me above, I should be celebrating we are not shit.

I swear, we need an 'Introduction to SAF values and standards' tutorial when people sign up on the forum.

Why are some fans so easily satisfied. We could genuinely be in a title race were it not for the Glazers and apparently it's alright not to have a Bruno replacement for 5 months.
The club is being sold. You should be more than happy to trade a transfer window for that outcome.
 

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the fit is questionable. But i still think hes a good player. Still ideally need a striker, but as of this minute, hed be in ahead of Havertz and/or Ziyech for me
It’s not questionable. He doesn’t fit. Yes he’s a good player but it’s clear as a club you’re not working to some kind of strategy in terms of recruiting and much like the summer are just following other clubs targets.
 

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I don’t know if you’ve noticed, the Glazers are on the way out. You’re the one advocating throwing money (that we don’t have) away for nothing. What’s the point spending 20 million on a player who you know won’t be here in 6 months? Are your standards that low?
This. I am not sure why people are getting so irate about this.

If we spend no money and the club gets sold before summer, I would take that all day long.

Felix is just a name at the moment, he has done nothing since his move to show he is the level required for the PL. He is used to playing in a defensive system. Could take him 2 months before even getting used to the PL. So really why take such a risk?
 

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Eh? It's the exact deal that apparently made us tell them to go feck themselves. Why would you lot get a better deal???
Well we have somehow got them to accept a lower loan fee than they wanted. So its not out of the question to think there is a set fee to buy. Just not an obligation
 

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They just need Lukaku back right now and Potter’s 3-3-3-1 magic bean instantly gets a viable implementation!
 

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This. I am not sure why people are getting so irate about this.

If we spend no money and the club gets sold before summer, I would take that all day long.

Felix is just a name at the moment, he has done nothing since his move to show he is the level required for the PL. He is used to playing in a defensive system. Could take him 2 months before even getting used to the PL. So really why take such a risk?
Yeah I am taking a short term striker loan in this window if we get sold before the summer
 

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I don’t know if you’ve noticed, the Glazers are on the way out. You’re the one advocating throwing money (that we don’t have) away for nothing. What’s the point spending 20 million on a player who you know won’t be here in 6 months? Are your standards that low?
Winning the league and getting CL. What really worries me here actually is if they were close to selling, a new ambitious owner would just tell them to spend the money to clinch the 50m or so from the CL next year.

I've had this back and forth with others about how I'd approach the situation and I certainly won't be sitting back and potentially losing out on massive revenue chunk because I didn't want to spend 10% of that a couple of months early.
 

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Well we have somehow got them to accept a lower loan fee than they wanted. So its not out of the question to think there is a set fee to buy. Just not an obligation
I doubt there is, Atletico seemed dead set against it with us. Hard to see why they would suddenly change their stance.
 

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I’m really surprised you guys are happy with this. He’s not what you need at all and is more evidence of a totally random scattergun approach to transfers.

United and Arsenal have been negotiating with Atletico as they have made ridiculous demands. It seems Chelsea just happy to do whatever they ask. Doubt there’s any clause. Atletico simply wanted someone to take him away for a few months, give them money and pay his wages.
Because it is a loan with no obligation to buy. I'm interested to see how he fares. I have all but given up on securing top 4 this season.
 

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Don’t get why Chelsea would want him at all. So many similar players already in their squad
 
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Chelsea will pay the fee. They need a lift from somewhere desperately.
It wasn't hard to see this coming. Athletico knew if they held their nerve some idiot in the EPL would panic and cough up the dough. Turns out its Chelsea, no big surprise, a couple of bad results and panic. A bit like United after Brighton and Brentford.
 

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Well we have somehow got them to accept a lower loan fee than they wanted. So its not out of the question to think there is a set fee to buy. Just not an obligation
I think that’s the point. They didn’t want to give an obligation and when they did they were suggesting 100m or so.

Chelsea have come in from nowhere as they’ve just agreed to what was a very stupid deal.
 

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It wasn't hard to see this coming. Athletico knew if they held their nerve some idiot in the EPL would panic and cough up the dough. Turns out its Chelsea, no big surprise, a couple of bad results and panic. A bit like United after Brighton and Brentford.
Although United already had Casemiro on his way before that..
 

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Chelsea are trying to collect a full set of almost, but not actually, strikers.
 

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It wasn't hard to see this coming. Athletico knew if they held their nerve some idiot in the EPL would panic and cough up the dough. Turns out its Chelsea, no big surprise, a couple of bad results and panic. A bit like United after Brighton and Brentford.
Casemiro has proved to be a very shrewd panic buy whereas Antony has much to prove but still young enough
 

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Winning the league and getting CL. What really worries me here actually is if they were close to selling, a new ambitious owner would just tell them to spend the money to clinch the 50m or so from the CL next year.

I've had this back and forth with others about how I'd approach the situation and I certainly won't be sitting back and potentially losing out on massive revenue chunk because I didn't want to spend 10% of that a couple of months early.
We are not in a title race, I dont know where this winning the league talk has come from.

Also, close to selling doesn't mean its agreed, if they did that, they would be bound to the buyer and they'd lose negotiating power. Who is to say a new buyer don't want their own players?

10% of 50m is £5m, Felix loan costs £15m plus, I dont know where you are working these figures from.

Finally, who is to say spending £18m on Felix is guaranteed CL and title?
 

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Oh well, sign him in 6 months when Chelsea don't get CL football
 

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I don’t care about Felix and never have and I’m almost certain he will fail at Chelsea, he’s just a square peg in a round hole.

I would also bet that Potter didn’t even want him either, that knob they’ve got in charge obviously goes above the manager and just signs whoever is the current flavour.

It’s a recipe for disaster.
 

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Because it is a loan with no obligation to buy. I'm interested to see how he fares. I have all but given up on securing top 4 this season.
Exactly. It’s a shockingly expensive and ridiculous deal. Why do you think United and Arsenal haven’t met the terms?

Free money to Atletico who risk absolutely nothing in return. They get the player back in the summer and can have a bidding war with whoever they like.

You’re burning through money at a ridiculous rate. So carefree with it too. The player doesn’t even fit!
 

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Winning the league and getting CL. What really worries me here actually is if they were close to selling, a new ambitious owner would just tell them to spend the money to clinch the 50m or so from the CL next year.

I've had this back and forth with others about how I'd approach the situation and I certainly won't be sitting back and potentially losing out on massive revenue chunk because I didn't want to spend 10% of that a couple of months early.
Ahh, so you’re just clueless on the topic then?

The sale isn’t a day or two away, it’s months away. We haven’t even got the deadline for bids yet, never mind entering due diligence or fit and proper person testing yet. No sale is anywhere near close enough that it’s feasible to behave in the way you’re detailing (in fact I’m fairly certain doing something like that would, legally, be considered a bribe at this point).

This was a bad deal, you walk away from bad deals. With the finite at best resources the club has right now you don’t shake hands on a deal this awful
 

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Exactly. It’s a shockingly expensive and ridiculous deal. Why do you think United and Arsenal haven’t met the terms?

Free money to Atletico who risk absolutely nothing in return. They get the player back in the summer and can have a bidding war with whoever they like.

You’re burning through money at a ridiculous rate. So carefree with it too. The player doesn’t even fit!
I guess Chelsea are a bit more desperate than Arsenal and United. I'm quite indifferent to all of this.
 

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Ahh, so you’re just clueless on the topic then?

The sale isn’t a day or two away, it’s months away. We haven’t even got the deadline for bids yet, never mind entering due diligence or fit and proper person testing yet. No sale is anywhere near close enough that it’s feasible to behave in the way you’re detailing (in fact I’m fairly certain doing something like that would, legally, be considered a bribe at this point).

This was a bad deal, you walk away from bad deals. With the finite at best resources the club has right now you don’t shake hands on a deal this awful
Correct.

Even the ultimate muppet can see this is an absolutely terrible deal. The numbers just don’t make sense. Would well run clubs go anywhere near it? Zero chance.
 

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I guess Chelsea are a bit more desperate than Arsenal and United. I'm quite indifferent to all of this.
I get it. I was like that for a period with United. Shiny toys, big money , bring them in. You need some stability though and at least a clear plan.

Your recruitment is still all over the place.
 

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Ahh, so you’re just clueless on the topic then?

The sale isn’t a day or two away, it’s months away. We haven’t even got the deadline for bids yet, never mind entering due diligence or fit and proper person testing yet. No sale is anywhere near close enough that it’s feasible to behave in the way you’re detailing (in fact I’m fairly certain doing something like that would, legally, be considered a bribe at this point).

This was a bad deal, you walk away from bad deals. With the finite at best resources the club has right now you don’t shake hands on a deal this awful
I've seen you write some more of this crap before. You 'call out' people but are just making it up as you go.

I am not going to bother with explaining how this stuff works in the real world because you clearly don't get it. Big money doesn't play by the normal rules.
 

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I get it. I was like that for a period with United. Shiny toys, big money , bring them in. You need some stability though and at least a clear plan.

Your recruitment is still all over the place.
It's a loan deal with seemingly no option to buy in a season I have totally given up on already. I'm neither excited nor alarmed by this deal. It is what it is.
 

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I don’t care about Felix and never have and I’m almost certain he will fail at Chelsea, he’s just a square peg in a round hole.

I would also bet that Potter didn’t even want him either, that knob they’ve got in charge obviously goes above the manager and just signs whoever is the current flavour.

It’s a recipe for disaster.
Obviously Boehly’s meddling is so heavy handed, he now doesn’t trust any of the clubs hierarchy and instead just signing random players to prevent rival clubs from getting them.
 

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So is this done done? Or Boehly telling the media it’s done whilst his agent still talks to Arsenal and United.
 

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I've seen you write some more of this crap before. You 'call out' people but are just making it up as you go.

I am not going to bother with explaining how this stuff works in the real world because you clearly don't get it. Big money doesn't play by the normal rules.
I feel like I’ve just walked into an Alanis Morissette song…
 

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Felix links were reported on boxing day by a guy in the Telegraph who says Potter wants him as a left sided forward.
 

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It's a loan deal with seemingly no option to buy in a season I have totally given up on already. I'm neither excited nor alarmed by this deal. It is what it is.
Yeah the money involved for the deal is ridiculous with Chelsea getting absolutely nothing from it if he does well. That’s the point and why United and Arsenal haven’t bothered.

Its alarming as you’re still all over the place having learnt nothing from the crazy summer window.
 
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