We should all be frustrated at losing that game so late on, obviously, but if anything that’s a sign of how far we’ve come. That Arsenal team would’ve annihilated us last season. I’m just glad we’re competitive again. I’m not saying we should be happy despite the loss, but the views in here after it are mental.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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I wonder why he wanted Antony that much? Or we are not seeing right Antony so far?
Would love that some journo asks him is he happy with Antony. ETH praises players a lot (Varane, Rashy, Martinez, Case, Dave...) but never said anything about Antony
Would love that some journo asks him is he happy with Antony. ETH praises players a lot (Varane, Rashy, Martinez, Case, Dave...) but never said anything about Antony
To much sense in one post. It's entirely possible for Gakpo to look lethargic for Liverpool and a totally different player at United. I think ETH has shown that he can accurately assess the teams needs. Felix / Gakpo would have likely been good additions not for the premier league but for the team.
he is brilliant and to think that we should win every game and esp away to the stand out league leaders is a bit deluded and only shows how well he is doing. noone had given us a chance for top4 before the season started and look where we are now. expectation is high again but we as fans should have some perspective and be glad that we have eth and should do everything to hold him. just look at arsenal, they get the dividends now for staying behind arteta, who had much worse pl seasons 1 and 2. eth himself is not satisfied with the performance today and thats good, as he should motivate the players to go for higher standards but we as fans could take it easier sometimes and just trust the process.
Journos just want to ask about English players and Ronaldo if this seasons anything to go by. They never ask any legitimately interesting questions. ETH could have won todays game fecking 5-0 and some journo would probably ask him if he watched that PSG-Al Nassr match and whether he thought Ronaldo was good, and when Maguire is getting back in the team next.
You can see why he rates him. Even tonight. He works his fecking socks off and takes very good care of the ball. And it’s no coincidence that as soon as he was subbed off we were suddenly under the cosh down both flanks, having mainly been exposed on our left up until that point. Shit like this matters and a manager will appreciate that.
Obviously we need to see a hell of a lot more from him in an attacking sense (even though his goal return is actually not too bad) but I’m genuinely bemused that people find it so hard to understand why the manager likes him.
My favorite game this season so far is still that win vs Spurs, would love if he manages to make us dominate games like that more often.
This month is still important. Have to beat Forest to reach CC final and Reading to reach last 16 of Fa Cup, where some of rivals are already out or about to go out. I don’t care about Europa if we can do well in PL and domestic cups.
This month is still important. Have to beat Forest to reach CC final and Reading to reach last 16 of Fa Cup, where some of rivals are already out or about to go out. I don’t care about Europa if we can do well in PL and domestic cups.
I agree we should of bought Garnacho on sooner he might of relieved some of the pressure by playing on the counter.
Not sure why you expected Shaw at CB and Martinez in midfield though? Ten Hag already said he doesn't see him as a midfielder
I hear you, but i'd argue that we should be looking at the bigger picture, atm. If we can agree that ETH is trying his best to build something good and sustainable at OT, we'll have to accept the bumps in the road. Nobody's perfect.
People (not you) were losing their marbles after City put six past us at the start of the season. Why did we go man-to-man against Pep, why did we try to chase the ball when we know that they are the best at keeping possession, we played right into their hands etc. ETH chose to focus on the same things he did today: The mistakes and the mentality of the team. Since then, and before the trip to Selhurst Park, we had 16 wins 2 draws and 1 defeat in 19 games (all comps).
We have a team builder at the helm. This means that we're playing the (relatively) long game. There are going to be good days, not so good days and some very bad days. Because creating a team that can win football matches by trying to play football isn't an easy thing. And the people who can do it are in high demand. I understand that it can be frustrating, but the message has to get through to the players: "We'll play the way we have trained to play. There's no other way". We'll take some beatings, but imagine if we learn to keep our cool under such pressure as today.
I am saying this because i don't think he'll change much. The way his Ajax side lost to Spurs by not killing the game off can tell you a thing or two about how he sees the game. When we were seeing Arsenal being all over us, ETH was probably seeing open spaces to exploit on the counter. It's an approach that will do us good in the long term.
I actually agree that we need to learn how to slow things down, but i also think he took several steps back and did a lot of rearranging after the horrible start to the season regarding our defensive setup. Let's wait and see. And we did some time-wasting at the end of both halves today, but it wasn't enough.
Interesting comment by him regarding 3rd goal. He is unhappy why players didn't read a game right and defended 2:2 instead going for 3rd goal.
He definitely knows to not back down. Scoring two goals vs City and current form Arsenal is far from tragic. Team can bite, just need to control course of matches in certain parts.
This thread is mental. Yeah let’s bring off Weghorst while conceding 15 corners and bring on Garnacho instead so we can have two players just chilling by the touchline while never receiving any balls. The only change I could think of with our bench that could’ve changed the outcome would be to put Lisandro in midfield next to McTom instead of Eriksen, and put on Malacia for Shaw (he couldn’t have done any worse than Shaw did against Saka anyway). That might have given us a semblance of control and bite against Ødegaard in particular. I’m not a fan of Bruno on the right wing as Antony is good at keeping the ball and bringing the team up, but it seems like EtH fancies Bruno out there for some reason despite him being utterly hopeless at calming things down and keeping the ball for a few seconds.
Because Shaw did really well at LCB recently, with the latest against City.
Martinez at CDM is only a matter of necessity because Casemiro is out and because none of our other mids can start as a CDM. Fred only seems to do well as a substitute against a tired opponent. Let's not even start about McTominay; he's Ross County material and a couple of Scots at the pub said he's shite for the national team.
Yup, against palace everyone said that we lost control once Weghorst came off but Antony came off at the same time and probably had a big effect on that too.
If there was ever a game that highlighted our need for a better midfield it was today. We seriously need some upgrades, we can’t have McTomminay, Fred or Eriksen playing in these games next season unless we’re 3-0 up.
Still good signs of progress.
We've started faltering a bit in the 2nd half, but I'm sure he'll figure out ways to rectify that.
There's too many players that completely limit playing out from the back and we need to replace/phase them out ASAP.
He needs backing in the summer again.
We've started faltering a bit in the 2nd half, but I'm sure he'll figure out ways to rectify that.
There's too many players that completely limit playing out from the back and we need to replace/phase them out ASAP.
He needs backing in the summer again.
Fans, players, coaches, humans with a brain stem, all understand perspective.
Thought we looked absolutely done from around the 70th min, unfortunately we are playing too many games.
Sure some of the posts are over the top but when have they ever not been after a loss? Even under Fergie they were lynching the players and the tactics every time we didn’t win. Not winning games felt like the end of the world. I’ll happily take the entitlement that comes with being good.
That was my whole entire point though.
Probably the only person within the club that I trust.
Has been said that wherever he went he brought players from former clubs with him.
Many managers do this, likely due to the fact they know the players well but also because of the feeling of comfortability having with you at your new club players you have relationships with heh. I hope Antony gets better with time.
He's 23 next month. He can certainly improve. Will be really sad if he fails. He's got potential.
We played top of the league at their home ground, with McTominay, Wout Weghorst, and AWB in the team, and only barely lost. That said, he doesn't seem to be great at substitutions, which is something that Ajax fans were saying before he even joined.
Been a theme all season. Whenever we look most dominant and in control in matches he’s almost always on the pitch. Take him off and we don’t. That can’t be a coincidence.
this. Players gave it everything and had nothing left
We did but this is only going to get worse. We've got two games a week until at least March. Most other teams have 3 or 4 midweeks off during the same period.
Well a lot of people said ETH learned from the first City game and came up with a plan that enabled us to beat them.
I dont believe Arteta learned from the first game against us. Last minute winner says that. They are good, but not that much better I would say.
I dont believe Arteta learned from the first game against us. Last minute winner says that. They are good, but not that much better I would say.
Top manager who will no doubt get us challenging in the long term
Top 4 and hopefully a trophy will be a very good season. With potential new owners next summer could be huge for this club.
Top 4 and hopefully a trophy will be a very good season. With potential new owners next summer could be huge for this club.
It shouldn't matter if we manage to get the right set up , pep isn't great at them either.
He can win the league next season if backed this summer
Yeah that was a bit strange,however honestly think IF we had got the job done in Europa then can play games next month
He is a quality manager but we still need a better director of football. Signing Anthony at anything like what we paid for him should never had happened, and spending so long chasing fdj was also an error
Yeah remember City losing 4-0 at Everton in Guardiola's first season and they went on to finish 4th. We lost a game by that score so maybe that's where we are gonna finish
Yeah especially with FDJ, pretty obvious if it wasn't for wasting those 3 months Antony wouldn't have cost anywhere near as much and the same pressure wouldn't have been there.
If the new owners had any sense they would give Murtough another year though, i think he was relying on ETH because they had basically just scrapped scrapped the scouting setup nothing was in place.
Fecking state of this, and you’re allowed to use scissors feck sake
We chased fdj for too long but got case instead. Perhaps if we’d gone for him earlier in the window we wouldn’t have been successful, who knows.
He is good. I like him.
I didn't watch today's game but a little bit of shame we couldn't stop Arsenal from getting a firm grip on the league. It's basically theirs to lose at the moment.
Not bothered about the loss though. We are still in very good position to finish top 4 which is the main target for now.
Not bothered about the loss though. We are still in very good position to finish top 4 which is the main target for now.
Which manager would like that?