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City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches
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Everything has probably already been said ad nauseam but they should be relegated down to League 1 akin to what happened to Rangers and Juventus in the past. I think the titles should be vacated and just left blank as an incentive against this happening in the future.
The PL really needs to find some way to prevent some of these types of things in the future but I know it's very hard to track everything. The completely inflated sponsorships were blatant and not even hidden well but under-the-table payments are harder to track. American colleges have used under-the-table payments for decades and occasionally one school gets caught but there are definitely ones that get away with it.
City have definitely contributed to footballing inflation. Obviously, the TV rights increase contributes but that just isn't the whole story. To @padr81, there is not a perfect correlation value of 1 so clearly, there are other factors contributing to the inflation besides solely the increase in TV contracts. I think it's pretty obvious that City's spending is a factor because like it or not, spunking 40m here and 50m there on defenders, midfielders, etc absolutely helps to inflate fees and wages. The market for footballers is fairly unique. Just adding a single new buyer with virtually unlimited cash (City) inevitably affects the market downstream because now you have players going for 40m, 50m that wouldn't have gone for that much without that single buyer. Any other club that wants a player the new rich club wants either has to pay more or not get that player and then settle for one who is cheaper but whose own transfer fee may have been increased because the market values are increasing. This doesn't actually have negative effects on everyone. A smaller, selling club like Brighton can find immense value in arbitrage and end up making some great moves that really work well for them. But, overall, that addition of a new buying club (especially one that may have more money to spend due to artificial commercial deals) will have a greater effect on inflation than 0.
The PL really needs to find some way to prevent some of these types of things in the future but I know it's very hard to track everything. The completely inflated sponsorships were blatant and not even hidden well but under-the-table payments are harder to track. American colleges have used under-the-table payments for decades and occasionally one school gets caught but there are definitely ones that get away with it.
City have definitely contributed to footballing inflation. Obviously, the TV rights increase contributes but that just isn't the whole story. To @padr81, there is not a perfect correlation value of 1 so clearly, there are other factors contributing to the inflation besides solely the increase in TV contracts. I think it's pretty obvious that City's spending is a factor because like it or not, spunking 40m here and 50m there on defenders, midfielders, etc absolutely helps to inflate fees and wages. The market for footballers is fairly unique. Just adding a single new buyer with virtually unlimited cash (City) inevitably affects the market downstream because now you have players going for 40m, 50m that wouldn't have gone for that much without that single buyer. Any other club that wants a player the new rich club wants either has to pay more or not get that player and then settle for one who is cheaper but whose own transfer fee may have been increased because the market values are increasing. This doesn't actually have negative effects on everyone. A smaller, selling club like Brighton can find immense value in arbitrage and end up making some great moves that really work well for them. But, overall, that addition of a new buying club (especially one that may have more money to spend due to artificial commercial deals) will have a greater effect on inflation than 0.
If there is a weak punishment for this, the likes of City and others just won't give a feck in future and do all sorts of beneath the table things. UEFA failed their test, let's hope the FA have more about them.
Can’t believe they give Sinclair airtime after everything he did.
Edit maybe they don’t now. Not sure how old this is.
How can Kaveh or anybody else speculate on punishment without knowing how many of the breaches they will be found guilty of?
If the majority of those things are proven how on earth can they get away with a small points deduction. I know Kaveh talks horse but anyone referring to the punishment is also totally uninformed.
If the majority of those things are proven how on earth can they get away with a small points deduction. I know Kaveh talks horse but anyone referring to the punishment is also totally uninformed.
I'll hold my hands up and say that I genuinly didn't know about the fact of the contract with PL. Fair enough, and thanks for enlightening me. Point still stands though
But that is interesting actually, I was convinced this would be food for the high court after appeal.
Second to last boss. The final boss is Baron Von Smallfine.
They shouldn't be banished to league 1, they should be banished to the footballing league in Abu Dhabi, everyone would win from this, their sports washing owner can continue cook the books without ever being charged, pep can have it even easier winning titles and even maybe win the champions league again except it will be the Asian one and English and European football will be rid of one less plastic oil sugar daddy club
I think City are in big trouble. The fact that the EPL have even named names (Mancini) shows they must have hard evidence. Even after this independent tribunal is over I'm sure the taxman will then be all over them and that will then maybe even mean jailtime for some along with City being dumped to League one or worse.
Their next derby game could be against FC United.........
Their next derby game could be against FC United.........
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Watch them lift the PL after they get away with a fine
That's why they won't get off lightly. The PL is at stake here. They don't compile a dossier with 100+ charges ranging from small violations to extremely serious ones for a slap on the wrist. City are going down otherwise the PL is finished.
Fine or small point deduction and you might as well say they haven't been punished
That goes both ways. The prudent thing for everyone to do is shut the feck up until years down the line when the final decision is made... But that won't happen at all, so speculation on a slap on the wrist or Armageddon is fair game
Its fun to think Ole could have won a title
This entire argument about FFP being unfair and the ability to pour money as and when you see fit without the need for making sure the whole thing is sustainable is the only way most small clubs can compete is frankly laughable. This is specially true in the PL. I mean, if that is the way you really want to go then I can definitely see why all the big clubs would want to go with the approach of a super league. I mean, why shouldn't they. They bring in most of the revenue into the league and most of the viewership. Unlike plastic clubs that don't even have the fan base to fill up their own stadium. All this while an oil state pours money into an irrelevant club to try and sport wash their own regime. You know what would be sustainable instead ? Build your own fan base, have a longer term planning backed by sound owners or fan ownership and go on to achieve success. Multiple clubs have done this in the past couple of decades so it isnt as if its not possible to do. It is more sustainable and just as likely as state or billionaire propped clubs. All the while revenue is shared pretty much evenly across the league for tv rights etc. as is the norm in the PL.
Any of you genuinely believe they'll be relegated or titles stripped off? Thats not happening in a million years.
I would be happy with a points deduction tbh cause to get even that little victory would be a massive achievement. Its not just unlimited money but the political power behind City is incredible.
We are taking about an actual oil state here.
I would be happy with a points deduction tbh cause to get even that little victory would be a massive achievement. Its not just unlimited money but the political power behind City is incredible.
We are taking about an actual oil state here.
Yeah that’s what I mean by anyone. Small points deduction or kicked out of the football league - it’s all bollocks
Relegation/Expulsion is literally one of the possible outcomes available.
Really makes you wonder how much they've spent on bribing the media for good publicity since the takeover.
Yeah United forced everyone in Europe and the PL to accept FFP.
There's been some spectacular nonsense posted in this thread.
That was my entire point mate
A Club who’s owners are worth £23 billion aren’t going to have their Club kicked out of the EPL.
Money talks, all this what aboutary is cringe.
They’ll have some sanctions imposed of course and difficulties coming their way the likes we probably haven’t seen before in EPL history, but they aren’t getting kicked out, that just ain’t happening.
Where is the list?
There's no chance a local lad done good like Jack Walker could compete with Gulf state backed teams like City.
Are you for real ?
City are cheats. They have been cheating for years. Rules are there for a reason. The FA has leveled over 100 charges at them . The most egregious of which is that they lied systematically to the FA for 10 years!
City signed up to FFP, they agreed to it and they they set about breaching it as often as possible .
There has to be punishment to fit the crime. Your guess is as good as mine as to what that will be but it will be massive.
Has to be.
Mourinho: "finishing second with United may have been my greatest achievement!" City even cheated Mourinho 
Cheers.
The discussion wasnt about whether they broke the rules, it was about the likely punishment.
Given the rules dont specify which punishments should be given for specific infringements and the scale of the punishments clearly vary in severity- its not an incredible leap to suggest that the panel will choose which punishments to apply based on how severe they think the breaches are (which can only reasonably be judged within the context of all possible breaches).
It is entirely possible the panel will decide that the number and duration of the breaches warrants the harshest punishment. But it is MY OPINION that they wont.
I fully understand that no one of inportance cares what I personally think about this subject, but its a forum. If you only want to see opinions that agree with your own, write your down in a notepad and read it to yourself.
In situations like this the sponsors would be releasing statements expressing disappointment or distancing themselves from the accused. Oh wait......same people!
Hopefully they’ll get relegated and deleted from all history so we can sing “This is how it feels to be city”
They're going down for sure... Probably just to the Championship but can't be sure.
Ultimately the premier league probably want City back after a year or two as long as they're neutered. More interesting TV games, more money.
If they've inflated revenues and understated expenses, then they might actually be due a tax refund...
City fans are really shameless
They're only twelve years old, to be fair.
It’s only nonsense because you’ve argued against something that I haven’t actually said.
I predict expulsion would be the initial decision and on appeal PL will settle with points deduction, fine and a transfer ban.
Which of their stars will want to play in the championship? It may not be a automatic promotion. They need to sign new stars & manager by then too.... All under a watchful eye and budgetary restrictions?
Then why can they still not bring in the commercial revenue that would allow them to spend within FFP regulations? The Premier League will be just fine, especially if Pep ends up at ChelseaReally?
The champions of the most watched league in the world bring no attention to said league?
