Back to goal striker who looks to hold up and play in runners is going to look bad when you can't progress the ball through the middle.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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The issue is that striker is clearly out of depth. Not getting involved enough because he can't sense where the loose ball is. Doesn't have the ability to move where his teammates' best passes likely go to.
Him failing his off ball duty hinders the tactic. I's the first phase of possession: making the pitch big. So we're not even in the debate of other players failing to progress the ball.
I agree about him having trouble with those traits of football you mention, though tbf many coaches have that
and thatVan Gaal was not the best coach for United in 2015 (though not many would have done much better under Woodward and that structure I think). Many dismiss Van Gaal, not necessarily you, but I think it proves a fair ability to evolve that you can win Eredivisie with AZ and take Netherlands to a WC bronze with very different kinds of football than you are known for. It doesn’t make him the worlds best coach, but it shows strength, and more flexibility than many credit him for, in my opinion.When I saw he used the word angry in post match quotes I suggest he's feeling similar to after Brentford game and don't blame him when you see such pitiful starts to both halves
Hope he has his list ready. Of the mass exodus in the summer. He's been somewhat ruthless when it comes to some. He needs to get rid of half this team. Especially if we go into the CL and play against top sides regularly. Players like Harry, Scott, Fred, Lindelof, Martial among others won't cut it, he needs to get rid and get in quality that suits his system, players comfortable on the ball, that midfield needs someone like maxence caqueret.
People here are making too much of this result. It was just one of those nights. At any other we'd have scored 4-5 goals, but just unlucky. We conceded 2 absolutely stupid goals at the start of both halves, but other than that we thoroughly dominated and we had the far better chances.
Let's not forget we were missing our 3 starters, one of which is by far our most important player, as well.
Let's not forget we were missing our 3 starters, one of which is by far our most important player, as well.
I am making so much because fecked off with drawing on another midweek game where we could have got closer to top two,however just like Palace we blow a big opportunity.
Maybe.
Or it has to do with the schedule, where we have to play against the same team in few days time, with same selection, and this time away. People are discussing the avoidable tactical mistake.
One of which is glaring by starting Weghorst upfront when we can afford not to, and shoehorning Rashford into his worst position. Or subbing Weghorst off halftime is fair enough morale wise rather than waiting until 2 goals down.
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At least we have seen enough that ETH is a real quick learner. The away game against Leeds will surely be a win, no doubt about it. Still, a run like the recent games are not good enough.
That game today had loss written all over it at 2-0 (state the obvious), but the way we came back and some of the stuff we played was promising, we could even say we were unlucky not to win in the end. We did force it a bit too much, but in years gone by we would have folded in similar circumstances.
Like the optimism but I'm not sure. They have the home crowd and we will have to perform well and stay focused defending. Midfield could be an issue again. Definitely don't see it being a walk in the park.
How naive you are, playing at Elland Rd against a team and fans that hate us with a real passion is not surely a win and especially so given they'll likely have a new manager in place which nearly always fires a team up anyway
Care to find the xG from that game?
https://understat.com/match/18397
More chances, more shots, more shots on target, but we lucked it?
Hag has some work to do to fix our midfield before the next game, because we did not have one.
It stifled our attack and we did not look secure in back.
It stifled our attack and we did not look secure in back.
This - and we're playing great football to boot
Skewed by the fact they played on the counter. We were a bit disjointed and it was a hectic game which suited them more.
I don’t pay attention to Xg personally. For one, I have no idea how it’s calculated.
Getting the best out of Rashford alone, improvement in Dalot, AWB who we all thought was toast, signings have been 80% on point. Definitely overachieving but good signs and we can still get top 4 and win a trophy or 2.
Think Wout will keep starting until we get players back fit. Great that Sancho is back and ready to start the next game I'm sure, but unfortunately Antony is now out...
I think it's clear that Ten Hag would hope to pick 3 from Rashford, Martial, Sancho and Antony to start every game, but if 2 of them are out, then it's probably a case where we start Weghorst and leave Pellistri and Garnacho as impact subs.
I worry about Weghorst a bit. In theory he is a sticking point up top but has proven to be anything but thus far. Thought he was especially poor tonight and against Arsenal, where we could have used the pace for the counter attack. I think he's a nice striker to play against for defenders in this moment.
He can't shield the ball for love or money.His hold up is really poor. Has to be played to him with inch perfect accuracy for him to even control it.
Without being harsh, Wout is offering next to nothing currently.
That's a fair point.I agree about him having trouble with those traits of football you mention, though tbf many coaches have that
Ok. You predict a loss. So what?
I love him and all but I hate his inability to use someone like Sancho on the RW.
I think this shows why he bought Antony - he needs a left footed RW because he won’t use a right footed one unless it’s bloody Rashford.
I think this shows why he bought Antony - he needs a left footed RW because he won’t use a right footed one unless it’s bloody Rashford.
Yeah Rashford should never be on RW,not even when Antony is out. Maybe try Pellistri there instead rather than someone not comfortable
Who started that silly notion about him being lucky?
Sanho was great at LW though.
True so who should be played on RW
I think this is why he doesn’t give a chance to pellistri- because he is right footed isn’t it?
He doesn’t want right footed right winger.
Think we have Sancho, Garanacho, And Rashford on the left and Antony, Amad and The unable on the right wing.
I think Pellestri will be sold.
Why not start him as a RW and then the whole front 3 can swap and change?
I would keep him over Fred that's for sure
Any quotes from the gaffer?
Yeah. He called Fred "as useful as a chocolate tea pot" and Leeds "a shower of bastards"
Definitely saw the word angry,maybe they need another long run round carrington
They change positions throughout the game anyway.
A lot of hindsight managers in this thread.
Garnacho, then Pellistri. And it will be Antony if he'll be fit for Sunday. And dare I say we missed him yesterday.
Where does that stuff about him not giving Pellistri chances come from? And after a game in which he actually gave him a chance..
Yup for all the crap Antony gets, he brings balance to the right side of the team.