Club Sale | It’s done!

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Can we compete with state owned clubs while also paying all of that? I don't think so.

If anyone buys us that has 2bn-ish a year profits, on top of us already being the biggest club in the World, and FFP finally starting to do it’s job. Absolutely we can, we’d in fact be stronger than anyone.
Unless the states keep cheating of course.
 
If it’s an investment why aren’t they taking out profits?

They won't be investing £5-8 billion for short term profits by taking a few million from the club every year. But the value of the club will increase over time, especially if it's successful on the pitch and with improved infrastructure. The club was worth less than a billion 15 years ago now it's worth £3-5b. Who knows what it will be worth in another 10-15-20 years.

And why would they need to own a club in Manchester to open doors in Manchester property, when they’re already got billions invested in property in London - and likely already have connections in that industry anyway.
It just seems like everyone is making hypothetical situations without any evidence to back it up on both sides.

They've bought a lot of property in London not sure if they've built much. Abu Dhabi have been involved in many huge building projects in Manchester since buying City.

And obviously this isn't only about money it's also about influence.
 
A successful United with debt removed from the company, either wiped, or placed on a much larger parent company will also drive revenues of up to a billion though.

As you say, we’ve thrown almost a bn in the dumpster with shit transfers, and almost another bn servicing debt, and at a time of being shite.
Despite this we currently look good on the pitch, and have a valuation of around 5 billion.

This is a club that can absolutely afford our own transfers and a new training ground, at the very least.

Let’s not pretend we’re some poor club in an impossible position.

I think we’ll likley refurb or build a new stadium + Carrington for max 1.5 bn, whoever takes over. If someone removes our debt, keeps the ETH train going, this monster of a club doesn’t need a sugar daddy. Just someone to take the stupid Glazer debt elsewhere.
You have absolutely zero evidence this will happen, in fact, their PR mouthpiece in the media Adam Crafton could not say that and actually said the debt will stay on the club.
 
As much as I want Qatar for the possibilities of their resources, that bit about the women not being forgotten is hilarious.

We won't forget the women, tacked on the end, as if you're talking about a pet. This is where United fans need to be vocal and demand support for all parts of the club if we do get bought.
They made the part about the women’s team a stand-alone sentence to emphasise they won’t be treated like second class citizens because a lot of hysterical people think they will be.
 
They won't be investing £5-8 billion for short term profits by taking a few million from the club every year. But the value of the club will increase over time, especially if it's successful on the pitch and with improved infrastructure. The club was worth less than a billion 15 years ago now it's worth £3-5b. Who knows what it will be worth in another 10-15-20 years.



They've bought a lot of property in London not sure if they've built much. Abu Dhabi have been involved in many huge building projects in Manchester since buying City.

And obviously this isn't only about money it's also about influence.

The funded the building of The Shard. Interestingly it was QIB (where Sheikh Jassim is the current chair) and other Qatari banks who initially funded it but later sold it to the State of Qatar later on - which could very well happen with United if the Qataris succeed in buying the club.
 
Well his father had to resign from his political posts several years ago because it was considered he had too much private wealth and it was a threat to the Emir. This was a genuine and internal distancing from him and the Qatar state, not a guise to satisfy international rules.

He doesn't have direct input into the running of the Qatari state. I'm sure he has influence - rich people have influence over how the UK state is run too. But it's very difficult and perhaps unfair to label him and his son as Bona fide puppets for the Qatari state.

The various reports that he was funnelling funds to Al-Qaeda in Syria probably contributed to the distancing also. Whether they were true or not.
 
Since when has gas been black?

At least get your facts right.

After further investigation I'm quite happy that my statement was 100% correct. Qatars economy was built on oil. It is now sustained on natural gas. Gas because the primary source of revenue in the 1990s while they'd been getting rich off the back of oil since the 1950s.

So please, ensure your facts are correct going forward :wenger:

While I jest, if anyone is actually interested, a quick search of 'Qatars economy transition from oil to gas' will provide information, including academic studies given Qatar was one of the first of the ME oil giants to look at diversification of its economy away from purely oil.

I don't believe I can post links hence the friendly suggestion.

Ultimately though, does it really matter all that much? Is it offensive to Qataris to claim they're an oil based economy over a gas based one? It's not, is it...
 
I know that, but what I'm hoping for is that he'll be more vocal. Now is the time he has to influence people. It did influence people when he boycotted the Qatar World Cup I believe.

Would he actually influence that many? We love him to bits and in an ideal world he would be the one to bring success back to the club, but I imagine he's been viewed as a bit of an eccentric in the rest of the world. I bet they are still trying to decode his UEFA speech a few years ago. He has been vocal against government involvements before though.
 
I know that, but what I'm hoping for is that he'll be more vocal. Now is the time he has to influence people. It did influence people when he boycotted the Qatar World Cup I believe.
Why can’t people make their own minds up?
 
I know that, but what I'm hoping for is that he'll be more vocal. Now is the time he has to influence people. It did influence people when he boycotted the Qatar World Cup I believe.
The last thing we need is him speaking out against Qatar and then we end up keeping the Glazers
 
You have absolutely zero evidence this will happen, in fact, their PR mouthpiece in the media Adam Crafton could not say that and actually said the debt will stay on the club.

To be honest what evidence is there that any potential buyer will definitely wipe the clubs debt out beyond PR Guff?
 
The funded the building of The Shard. Interestingly it was QIB (where Sheikh Jassim is the current chair) and other Qatari banks who initially funded it but later sold it to the State of Qatar later on - which could very well happen with United if the Qataris succeed in buying the club.

Ah fair enough, so they're definitely interested in funding large building projects in the UK then.
 
Because they still have to run the business like a business in case it isn’t sold. Plus you can add it to projected revenue to con some more from Qatar.
Big thinker is our Gary

He is fecking stupid at times.

What do they want them to do, close up shop until the deal is done? :lol:

5% price hikes alone will look very good on future projections as the bidders do their due diligence. It’s a well timed move from the Glazers.
 
Doesn’t surprise me, proud of my adopted nordics for not being hypocritical as fook.

Ask any official Manchester United supporters group the same thing round here and you will get the same outcome.

These polls are all pointless as a large portion of voters will just vote for what they think is the right answer rather then what they think.

This is the simple "Top Reds" tribal mentality crap that you see constantly on social media just shown in a different avenue.

All this thread is showing is how easy it is to manipulate stats to present a story/article or an opinion that follows the specific narrative you want.
 
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