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But he actually isn't filling that void. He plays behind the main striker in these big games which is weird - you'd think we could just put Bruno there...Wout is exceptionally limited and is merely filling a void left by Martial being utterly unreliable.
I think that's pretty much the point of the OP: in his position we need someone who will always be preferred to Wout effing Weghorst in his nominally best position.Don't see Arteta or Pep playing Odegaard or De Bruyne out of position.
But Wout is playing in the middle and according to you, Bruno was shifted to the wide. If Wout is that limited, Bruno must be very bad to make way for him?Wout is exceptionally limited and is merely filling a void left by Martial being utterly unreliable.
That’s complete and utter bollocks.Give it a break. The guy averages a goal or an assist every single game. Our most consistent player since Fergie.
Every time we have a bad result or someone doesn't like his body language, he's public enemy number 1 again.
Bruno wasn't shifted wide according to me. He was actually, literally shifted wide.But Wout is playing in the middle and according to you, Bruno was shifted to the wide. If Wout is that limited, Bruno must be very bad to make way for him?
I am trying to understand with what you said. You said you wonder if he would be in the plan because he played out wide at times. Do you think it is because Bruno is not a good player or it is because ETH tried to tweak his tactic too much?Bruno wasn't shifted wide according to me. He was actually, literally shifted wide.
Some games it may look like genius. But you have to wonder.
I think from a holistic view you're right. Your side has been incredibly consistent recently and it's been a great season so far (relative to last season). I mean it was only a week ago you picked up silverware for the first time in 6 years. Today has all the hallmarks of a freak result, Liverpool came into the game on patchy form, United excellent form, every shot seemed to go in for Liverpool. I don't think today is indicative of anything and as you said it's all about regrouping and reacting in the right manner, and I do think you'll put it quickly behind you and there'll be no real lasting negative impactsome of you are so negative. one loss and everything is shit again. we are developing and had a setback - now its about regrouping and i am very interested to see how we react
Mate ETH decided Bruno wasn't the best fit at his position today and Wout Weghorst was preferred instead in a match against a bitter rival. He's actually done this multiple times this season. He did it against Leeds away. He did it against Barca away., He did it against Leicester putting Sancho at #10 pushing Bruno out widesome of you are so negative. one loss and everything is shit again. we are developing and had a setback - now its about regrouping and i am very interested to see how we react
Agree with that, but Bruno should not always start these big matches away to top teams. And it's not about Bruno per se, it's about accommodating an attacking midfielder.Some of you are living in dreamland. Talking about upgrading Bruno when we have Wout as our main striker, no other midfield options, terrible sub center backs, no quality right backs, and a goalkeeper on 300k that just saved nothing in a 7-0 loss.
There is so, so much today before an upgrade on Bruno even makes it onto the first page of a priority list.
Hrm? For Portugal typically Bernardo drops deeper into midfield and Bruno stays higher on the right side.Well, here we are again... I won't get on his neck because he's played A LOT of football for us this season but he's just not got the quality.
I actually thought it would have been good to put him back in the midfield to do his running, same way he's used for Portugal. Definitely need to think how to best utilise him but the wing is not it.
His crosses have been abysmal as of late and his finishing has also deteriorated and that was a main attribute of his previously.
I guess my point is that for Portugal, he's more of a workhorse, not a creative engine. In any case, feels like we won't get to the top of pyramid with him.Hrm? For Portugal typically Bernardo drops deeper into midfield and Bruno stays higher on the right side.
This is a good post.Agree with that, but Bruno should not always start these big matches away to top teams. And it's not about Bruno per se, it's about accommodating an attacking midfielder.
Some matches are better suited for a more traditional midfield, who work best in the middle of the park, rather than being auxiliary forwards/wingers/attacking midfielders. This goes for Weghorst too but he's been here only a couple of months and he's just on loan, it's temporary. The Bruno conundrum has been going on since Ole, Rangnick and continues now under Ten Hag.
Today was a match for a midfield three of Casemiro + Fred + Sabitzer/McTominay, where focus should've been on winning balls in midfield or deeper, and triggering counter-attacks with the pace of Rashford + Sancho + Anthony/Garnacho. Rashford should've created a lot of problems for Trent today. Did Rashford and Trent compete in a footrace for one single ball today? Not sure, but I don't think they did…?
We made the same mistake away against City in October. Then with an even more open midfield behind Bruno, when we had Eriksen + McTominay as the double pivot. We usually lose the midfield battles in these big matches and have been doing so for a few seasons.
Ah I see! I agree with you to some extent - and full disclosure I also am of the opinion that Portugal are better without Bruno as he's a bit of an awkward fit tactically.I guess my point is that for Portugal, he's more of a workhorse, not a creative engine. In any case, feels like we won't get to the top of pyramid with him.
Nope. Wrong. He was our most creative player along Felix in the WC. Good numbers in terms of assists and goals. He's completely knackered. His decision making has been quite sub par.I guess my point is that for Portugal, he's more of a workhorse, not a creative engine. In any case, feels like we won't get to the top of pyramid with him.
You can say that but Bruno was also undroppable under the previous regime as well. It's bizarre how he's got this plot shield where we cannot seem to drop him because he runs a lot.This is a good post.
In the end it comes from tactical nativity from Ten Haag in big games, and also probably under rating the importance of rotation in a heavily packed fixture schedule. SAF was great at both of these points. Hopefully ETH learns quickly.
He just seems like a player that's got good attributes but playing him takes away too much from the team.Ah I see! I agree with you to some extent - and full disclosure I also am of the opinion that Portugal are better without Bruno as he's a bit of an awkward fit tactically.
I agree, my point is somewhat not relevant to the WC and I was surprised how well he did there but previously, I thought he wasn't rated as the creator for portugal.Nope. Wrong. He was our most creative player along Felix in the WC. Good numbers in terms of assists and goals. He's completely knackered. His decision making has been quite sub par.
Are you portuguese? He was our best player in the WC ffs. Now that Ronaldo is gone, he will be the leader since Bernardo is rubbish in our NT. I'm not a fan of Felix but I believe him and Bruno will be driving force.Ah I see! I agree with you to some extent - and full disclosure I also am of the opinion that Portugal are better without Bruno as he's a bit of an awkward fit tactically.
I'm not Portuguese but my wife is and I live just outside of Lisbon.Are you portuguese? He was our best player in the WC ffs. Now that Ronaldo is gone, he will be the leader since Bernardo is rubbish in our NT. I'm not a fan of Felix but I believe him and Bruno will be driving force.
Felix? Cmon selective memory. Bruno had a very good WC and United fans were very pleased with his campaign. I remember clearly. Bruno had better numbers than Felix statistics wise and in MoM. Also it has nothing to do with clubism. If you want to sound clever at least use the word right "Sportinguista". I sincerily doubt you know more Sporting fans than me since I'm a lifelong fan and season ticket holder for decades now. I'll definitely go with my sample rather than someone who probably hasn't put a foot in our stadium. Don't speak for Sporting fans. You don't have the authority. Pepe I'll definitely give him credit, but he's always superb in the NT.I'm not Portuguese but my wife is and I live just outside of Lisbon.
You think Bruno was your best player in the WC? I haven't heard that from even the most dedicated Sportingistas in my life! For me Felix and Pepe were definitely clear and I think you can make cases for others as well.
Mate, my FIL is a Sporting season ticket holder as well - been to something like 2-3 matches per year. Apologies for the misspelling - my Portuguese isn't where it should be given the pandemic and I've been at the rodizio for dinner enjoying several caipirinhas. I certainly wasn't trying to speak for Sporting fans in the slightest - just that I watched and discussed all of the matches of the Selecao with a mix of Benfica and Sporting fans given the family I married into, and no one thought Bruno was the best player.Felix? Cmon selective memory. Bruno had a very good WC and United fans were very pleased with his campaign. I remember clearly. Bruno had better numbers than Felix statistics wise and in MoM. Also it has nothing to do with clubism. If you want to sound clever at least use the word right "Sportinguista". I sincerily doubt you know more Sporting fans than me since I'm a lifelong fan and season ticket holder for decades now. I'll definitely go with my sample rather than someone who probably hasn't put a foot in our stadium. Don't speak for Sporting fans. You don't have the authority. Pepe I'll definitely give him credit, but he's always superb in the NT.
Let's just agree to disagree. Your sample is very limited, selective and I give no credibility. Everyone bar Pepe (who even so missed the biggest chance, an inexcusable miss) played bad against Marocco. If you understand any portuguese and watched any of the programs of portuguese pundits (Rui Santos, David Borges, Ribeiro Cristóvão etc) you would understand that Bruno along with Pepe and Felix were the most praised. Even Benfica fans with their anti Ronaldo agenda, pushed to have Bruno as Captain. If we are talking of rival fan mates, I can tell you that no Benfica fan mate of mine rated Bernardo higher than Bruno in the WC.Mate, my FIL is a Sporting season ticket holder as well - been to something like 2-3 matches per year. Apologies for the misspelling - my Portuguese isn't where it should be given the pandemic and I've been at the rodizio for dinner enjoying several caipirinhas. I certainly wasn't trying to speak for Sporting fans in the slightest - just that I watched and discussed all of the matches of the Selecao with a mix of Benfica and Sporting fans given the family I married into, and no one thought Bruno was the best player.
I don't think Bruno was awful at the WC or anything - but Felix did a lot more in terms of holding the ball up and bringing others into play. Think it's also a point against Bruno that against Morocco when Portugal could attack either one of the best fullbacks in the world or the backup Moroccan left back, nothing of significance was being created down the right by Bruno and Bernardo. It's all well and good to score against Uruguay when the stakes are lower, but you can't possibly deny that the team was let down by the right side of the attack in that quarterfinal.
He was good for Portugal but United is a much higher level than international football nowadays (or well, should be atleast). That is why I think he's not good enough - he can do it against weak to middy teams but against the top sides, he doesn't cut the mustard and surely you'd agree with that.Let's just agree to disagree. Your sample is very limited, selective and I give no credibility. Everyone bar Pepe (who even so missed the biggest chance, an inexcusable miss) played bad against Marocco. If you understand any portuguese and watched any of the programs of portuguese pundits (Rui Santos, David Borges, Ribeiro Cristóvão etc) you would understand that Bruno along with Pepe and Felix were the most praised. Even Benfica fans with their anti Ronaldo agenda, pushed to have Bruno as Captain. If we are talking of rival fan mates, I can tell you that no Benfica fan mate of mine rated Bernardo higher than Bruno in the WC.
But it's pointless to come to any consensus. We will have to agree to disagree.
That doesn't disprove the idea that we aren't going to win title with Bruno though. It only shows that we are further from it then we'd like to believe.Some of you are living in dreamland. Talking about upgrading Bruno when we have Wout as our main striker, no other midfield options, terrible sub center backs, no quality right backs, and a goalkeeper on 300k that just saved nothing in a 7-0 loss.
There is so, so much today before an upgrade on Bruno even makes it onto the first page of a priority list.
Nope, I don't agree. In all these years Bruno has had good performances against top clubs. And the comparison with Lukaku is laughable. My opinion is that there are much bigger problems than Bruno in your team. And although I highly rate EtH, for me he has the biggest blame of the Liverpool debacle. Don't get me wrong, I think it was a one off and I do think he has the capability to win big. Perhaps getting a proper Football director with a clear strategy. Spending 100mil on Antony was tragic. I don't have the same faith on this player as I have on EtH.He was good for Portugal but United is a much higher level than international football nowadays (or well, should be atleast). That is why I think he's not good enough - he can do it against weak to middy teams but against the top sides, he doesn't cut the mustard and surely you'd agree with that.
I consider him a Lukaku-level player - great to pummel the smaller fry but you need a KdB for the top 6.
Watched plenty of those shows - and are you really trying to default to the punditry on Portuguese TV as a metric? That is perhaps the most pathetic appeal to authority I've ever seen, given the state of journalism in this country.Let's just agree to disagree. Your sample is very limited, selective and I give no credibility. Everyone bar Pepe (who even so missed the biggest chance, an inexcusable miss) played bad against Marocco. If you understand any portuguese and watched any of the programs of portuguese pundits (Rui Santos, David Borges, Ribeiro Cristóvão etc) you would understand that Bruno along with Pepe and Felix were the most praised. Even Benfica fans with their anti Ronaldo agenda, pushed to have Bruno as Captain. If we are talking of rival fan mates, I can tell you that no Benfica fan mate of mine rated Bernardo higher than Bruno in the WC.
But it's pointless to come to any consensus. We will have to agree to disagree.
Genuinely do not disagree with a single thing there, except for the Bruno bit (although Antony has been useful but he's never been and probably never will be £85m worth of a RW, same as Sancho).Nope, I don't agree. In all these years Bruno has had good performances against top clubs. And the comparison with Lukaku is laughable. My opinion is that there are much bigger problems than Bruno in your team. And although I highly rate EtH, for me he has the biggest blame of the Liverpool debacle. Don't get me wrong, I think it was a one off and I do think he has the capability to win big. Perhaps getting a proper Football director with a clear strategy. Spending 100mil on Antony was tragic. I don't have the same faith on this player as I have on EtH.