Then why do you think Barca paid the money to the ref head which wasn't even legally mentioned in the expenses?
Official: FC Barcelona charged with Corruption over payments to former referees chief | UEFA open investigation
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Don't confuse your links and opinions on what those links mean with actual evidence. The only evidence anyone needs right now is this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64918604
I expect you'll appreciate that the writing is bolded. Makes it more official.
From my own experience with Inter and Milan words from Calciopoli trials
I am giving the answer you need: to prevent Juventus/Madrid gaining unfair advantage themselves.Yeah, but that doesn't count. BBC not only is controlled by Florentino they are also worshippers of Franco
Oh shit! Oh course! I need some unbiased reports about how Madrid were corrupt from an Atletico supporting journalist, which although completely unrelated to Barcelona somehow prove that Barca should've won the 1996 Swiss Cup Final.
Niemans, you seem unable to understand that these arguments of yours are not rigorous or scientific or logical.
A 5-page Word document outlining specific instances of Barcelona getting bad calls from referees is less rigorous than the simple statement "Barcelona did not receive any penalties against them in two years."
A detailed explanation of a wrong offside call in 13/14 is less rigorous than the simple statement "clubs don't win 10 consecutive titles in leagues where they have genuine competition."
You become so fixated on particulars that you completely lose sight of the big picture.
A 5-page Word document outlining specific instances of Barcelona getting bad calls from referees is less rigorous than the simple statement "Barcelona did not receive any penalties against them in two years."
A detailed explanation of a wrong offside call in 13/14 is less rigorous than the simple statement "clubs don't win 10 consecutive titles in leagues where they have genuine competition."
You become so fixated on particulars that you completely lose sight of the big picture.
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The Committee of Referees is composed of a President, three vice-presidents and a deputy to the presidency.
The Professional Competition Arbitration Committee is also constituted within the CTA, made up of three members: one appointed by the RFEF, another by the LNFP (National Professional Football League) and the last by mutual agreement between the two.
This body makes the appointments of the referees for the matches of the two professional competitions (LaLiga Santander and LaLiga SmartBank), in addition to receiving periodically and documented, the technical criteria applied in terms of promotions and relegations of referees and referees. assistants.
There is also a Technical Commission, chaired by Medina Cantalejo and of which a technical team appointed by the president himself is a part:
Managers of the First and Second Division: Clos Gómez, Undiano Mallenco and Yuste Jiménez.
Leaders of the First Federation: Lizondo Cortés and Medina Hernández.
Responsible for the Second Federation: Turienzo Álvarez and Sánchez Marcos.
Head of the Talent and Mentoring Program: Rubinos Pérez.
As you can see, there is a very large organization chart for Negreira to be able to do and undo as he pleases.
Also, a question, how did he do to favor Barcelona? How did you get the referees to favor Barcelona? He told them "hey you, you have to favor Barcelona". Or what was the theme?
That's called an ad hominem fallacy, but I guess you don't know what it is.
Because a journalist collects truthful information about something from Real Madrid, it is no longer valid because the guy is from Atlético de Madrid. You have to raise the level a little to be able to debate my friend.
Two things;
1) tone down the smarmy attitude, you're not nearly intelligent enough to pull it off
2) your club is corrupt and you know it, which is why you're scrambling around on here doing damage control. Unfortunately you're a moron so it's not working out well for you.
This is the current Committee Organization.
As you can read by this article of Sport (a Barca newspaper, so not Florentino controlled nor Franco worshippers) this structure with 3 VP was established in 2018.
Exactly. This new structure was established when the previous president (Sanchez Arminio) and the previous VP (Negreira AKA Barca's buddy) stepped down after 24 years in both positions (1994-2018). Proof 1 and Proof 2.
What a joke, mate
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Did I say he favored Barcelona? It's not my role to say that, the justice will determine that.
What I did was providing Jaume Roures quotes contradicting Iturralde's opinion that Negreira did not have power over the referees, because according to the former, he evaluated them when they went to the Nou Camp.
Niemans is probably not old enough to remember the Chelsea game because that's all the evidence you need to see really.
I mean, recent evidence......
Niemans' claim is that the Chelsea game and the PSG game are the only instances in which Barcelona have benefitted from refereeing performances in Europe, and that those don't make up for all the negative calls they've gotten. See here.
If Negreira didn't have any power then one might ask: why were they paying him?
We are being asked to believe Barcelona FC engaged in an illegal cover-up of ... nothing. They committed crimes just because.
You make a good point in the sense that when looking at some compilations, it might seem that every game was impacted.
But as someone who has worked as a law clerk and court advocate for almost 20 years, I can promise you that the prosecutor will claim that this is a very simple case when appealing to the court.
All you need to show is that (a) money was paid to someone holding a position of power, (b) the reason the money was paid had some kind of connection to that position, and (c) it was paid with the intent to impact how that person exercised his powers.
If Negreira was paid by Barca to give favorable treatment — but he instead of being the VP of the CTE was a voodoo doctor living in the jungle somewhere having no official position — and you don’t believe in voodoo — you might argue that it wouldn’t be bribery.
The seriousness of a crime can always be discussed — but bribery (sports corruption) can exist without getting any favor. It’s consummated from one side when the money is paid and from the other side when the money os received (for the above mentioned intent/purpose).
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As much as they should receive a harsh punishment for this, I can't see it happening. La Liga loses a lot of interest without Barcelona if Real are left as the only superpower. Someone high up the ladder will ensure that they don't get a serious punishment, I think.
In contrast, I can see City receiving a far harsher punishment (If they do get punished, which I am still skeptical of) because the PL doesn't need City in the way that La Liga needs Barcelona.
In contrast, I can see City receiving a far harsher punishment (If they do get punished, which I am still skeptical of) because the PL doesn't need City in the way that La Liga needs Barcelona.
If Real Madrid paid money to the referees (like Barcelona have done) during the years they won it ahead of Barcelona. What conclusion will you reach from that?
According to the Prosecutor's report, Mr. Enrique Negreira stated that "Barcelona paid him to ensure that arbitration decisions were not made against him." Enrique Negreira was vice president of the Technical Committee of Referees when he was paid.Tweet
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You’re talking shit buddy.
We have a Real Madrid comunicado oficial:
https://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/2023/03/12/comunicado-oficial
Real Madrid expresses its deep concern about the severity of the facts and reiterates its full confidence in the action of justice and has agreed that, in defense of its legitimate interests, it will take part in the proceedings as soon as the judge opens it to the injured parties.
https://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/2023/03/12/comunicado-oficial
Real Madrid expresses its deep concern about the severity of the facts and reiterates its full confidence in the action of justice and has agreed that, in defense of its legitimate interests, it will take part in the proceedings as soon as the judge opens it to the injured parties.
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Barca, City and Juve are corrupt little cockroaches.
Stamp them out. Loathsome little clubs.
Stamp them out. Loathsome little clubs.
You have proven wrong time and time again, by many people.
You made a post claiming that Barcelona should have won the league in 16/17. In that post, you made this claim:
Barcelona finished the league season with 90 points and Real Madrid with 93. You are claiming that they had a victory stolen from them that would have given them the 93 points.
As me and others have pointed out, Barcelona were actually losing their last game of the season, against Eibar. In the 69th minute, when they were down by one goal, they were given this penalty. It is one of the most fraudulent penalties in modern football history. This penalty was a big scandal and reported in the international press at the time:
Messi actually missed the penalty.
Shortly after, Barcelona were given another penalty, this time for a dive by Neymar. The Eibar player who didn't foul Neymar was given a red card. This red card was rescinded afterward, and the Comité de Competición admitted that there was no contact.
Barcelona got three points from a game in a completely fraudulent manner. They should have gotten 1 or 0 points.
I pointed this out to you, in a thorough post with videos. You did not mention this incident at all in your original post.
And your response was:
The videos cannot be viewed. Literally all you need to do is click on a link that says WATCH ON YOUTUBE and the videos open. Shameful evasion, plus a declaration that "these plays have much more influence", which is not based on anything.
When you make an argument where you want to show us "photos" and "videos," it is fundamentally an argument of trust. We have to trust that your videos and photos are a representation of reality. We don't trust that, because we have caught you trying to deceive us.
If you're willing to dismiss incidents that are 100% fraudulent, how many 80% fraudulent incidents might you be ignoring? In all these games Barcelona "should" have won, how many dubious incidents are there that you've decided, in your infinite wisdom, "have less influence" than whatever happened to Barcelona?
I quote your post again:
The game you are talking about is one against Malaga. So you are saying 90+3 = 93.
You are counting a fraudulent win as legitimate and hoping nobody notices. You are caught trying to deceive us. You cannot be trusted.
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If guilty they should absolutely be punished to the max. If it it’s just paying money to get intel on referees then whatever. If it is paying money so referees themselves can influence the matches for Barca then that is a huge stain.
Considering all the refs from the times say the corrupted ref wasn’t even officiating the matches but only a member of the ref board for meetings they had every couple months to provide intel (supposedly) that could be something else.
I genuinely hope the court case finds the truth
Too powerful in Spain for anything substantial to be done. La Liga and Madrid need Barcelona to keep the competition relevant.
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This is exactly how a cult operates. It will get to the point that he will start handing out the kool aid..
Here goes some evidence my guy
twitter.com/RafaRNMJ/status/1634704450819432448?s=20
From clear pen that was not conceded, to 2 yellow cards against RM in 30 seconds
The way you postulate your defense of a club which is guilty of paying up refereeing favours (whether those were in favour of Varcelona or against the competitors) beyond any reasonable doubt, is completely hilarious.
It must be endemic of the pro-independence Catalonia folks, I remember fondly the whole story you came up with back in 2017 after the illegal referendum when you addressed European countries claiming Spain was oppressing your people and stealing your moneys and throwing people into jail for no reason
Now, same as back then, any and all legitimate entities are turning their back on you, because we all know what kind of shittery is brewing in that region.
VARcelona has to be there too
Yeah I get you, the vice president of that committee was probably there just filling uo the printing machine and sharpening pencils, apparently nobody knows what he was doing there hahaha which means there are a lot more people involved than we know so far
I believe he posted the current structure which was not in place when Barcelona‘s advisor was in charge
I think Farcealona sums it up fairly well
You put a play only and that's why Madrid is harmed. Please raise the bar.Here goes some evidence my guy
twitter.com/RafaRNMJ/status/1634704450819432448?s=20
From clear pen that was not conceded, to 2 yellow cards against RM in 30 seconds
The way you postulate your defense of a club which is guilty of paying up refereeing favours (whether those were in favour of Varcelona or against the competitors) beyond any reasonable doubt, is completely hilarious.
It must be endemic of the pro-independence Catalonia folks, I remember fondly the whole story you came up with back in 2017 after the illegal referendum when you addressed European countries claiming Spain was oppressing your people and stealing your moneys and throwing people into jail for no reason
Now, same as back then, any and all legitimate entities are turning their back on you, because we all know what kind of shittery is brewing in that region.
With such a huge, huge and brainy analysis anyone refutes anything. The truth possesses you, impossible to counter that argument.
You have to analyze an entire season, not put a random play and say that is why Madrid is harmed.
If everyone did like you then all the teams would be favored and disadvantaged at the same time, by putting a video of when a club is favored and another video of when it is disadvantaged.
We are going to call your theory Schrödinger's negreira. A club is favored and disadvantaged at the same time.
Obviously, because $300,000 euros that were paid a year is enough to bribe twenty-seven referees , 30 linesmen, 5 guys from the Arbitration Committee and other people. It does yield the money to bribe and buy referees.
You lot are the only ones who bribed referees.
You don't need to repeat your so called evidence of referees favoring Madrid, means nothing until you have proof they paid refs too.
This is completely irrelevant and a different issue. You're arguing more about Barcelona not getting good value out of their bribes, which is still very subjective and nothing factual like you're pretending, and doesn't absolve at all Barcelona.
They have been caught paying money sistematically, and in a concealed fashion, to a person with influence in the refeeres' committee in order to get a favoured treatment. So I don't know why you keep posting those videos as they really don't do anything for disproving Negreira wasn't bribed.
I think we can all just call a duck a duck at this point mate
What is this?
Whoever promoted him needs investigating too.
So what exactly is Barcelona's defense of the charges?
They just felt like paying this Negreira person for doing nothing?
They just felt like paying this Negreira person for doing nothing?
Perez is a greedy cnut, needs to up the bribes. Our LaLiga record has been poor for two decades now.You lot are the only ones who bribed referees.
You don't need to repeat your so called evidence of referees favoring Madrid, means nothing until you have proof they paid refs too.
Could’ve bought like 10 titles for the price of 1 Hazard.
From my own experience with Inter and Milan words from Calciopoli trials
Well, basically to explain things about the financial FFP since there in England there is a lot of fake news. And I was also belittled and insulted around here and it turns out that the things I've said have happened. I don't like to do this kind of thing but I still put a summary of what happened at that time.What is this?
Whoever promoted him needs investigating too.