I'm sorry but you would. It's called bias from being disappointed with the result. That's not a good challenge at all from Casemiro. It was needless and stupid. Definitely endangered the opponent. Under the rules we play by that's a red card.
When is the club going to call out this corruption?
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Ten Hag just called it out himself. Casemiro went 500 games without a sending off and now he has two. And both of them have been pretty soft. Yellows would have been absolutely fine.
And the non penalty.... It's probably the worst decision I can remember for a long time to be honest. There really is absolutely no excuse for Var not to pick up on that. It is either corruption or absolutely staggering incompetence. And given that Barcelona are currently being charged with BRIBING the chief referee in Spain for years, it's not -that- outlandish (but yes I find it hard to believe it's corruption in truth, at least in this country)
I see a lot of that, but usually take it as a compliment. The better we are doing the more fans think we have refs in our pocket. I'm worried when they stop saying it
Absolutely spot on Sir!
It's uncanny, isn't it? Commentators and pundits keep pointing out how important he has been for us, how much he has done to turn the ship around and bring United back from the grave. And lo and behold, he gets sent off twice in a season, both times barely within the realm of what can be considered a legitimate red card. Never been sent off in his career until he comes to United and it happens twice in a season. What a remarkable coincidence, huh?
Well put Sir!
Then why did the same referee who saw a worse challenge yesterday in the Chelsea vs Leicester game deem it not worthy of even a card? Where were "the rules we play by" in that instance?
It was a hard tackle and it was very unfortunate that his foot carried on and diverted into the players leg. A yellow is right for that but not a fecking red. Not in a million years. It always looks worse frame by frame as opposed to real time and it doesn't help freezing on the point of contact either without the context and build up beforehand. It distorts the decision making process. He played the ball and momentum carried him into the player. Not a red. Ever.
Bazunu obviously clipped Rashfords ankle with his knee. How in the world that is not a pen i don’t understand.
Gif of angle showing contact
As for the handball, i think the rule makes it not a handball. That rule is obviously wrong, but think the call according to rules is correct.
The Bruno incident i agree he gets the player before the ball, but in the spirit of clear and obvious i can see it not given as a penalty by VAR.
Though if the spirit of clear and obvious, Case should be left on the field… That being said, i don’t have too much of a problem with that call, more of a VAR inconsistency problem more than anything else.
A very RAWKish thread
Two wrongs don't make a right. Having got that one wrong yesterday they were always going to try and get today's right and I think they did in the end.
I understand the frustration but I think it was an awful challenge and totally stupid from Casemiro. Definitely didn't need to do it either.
The pen is the decision that is baffling me. Should have been given
It was 85% a red. Sometimes they don't get given it's true. But when I hear whataboutery and moaning about consistency with bad decisions in other games, I always know it was probably the right decision.
He needed to tackle, they had an opportunity to go straight through on goal with a final ball. As far as I'm concerned, it was hard but ultimately not red card worthy and clearly Anthony Taylor thought so initially till Andre Marriner showed him an out of context freeze frame. We'll agree to disagree.
There were 3 penalties we could have today in all to top it off so as I have said previously, the whole game was officiated terribly.
@Dansk I think you've hit the nail on the head. Media pressure from pundits who spend weeks scrutinizing the decisions we get, opposition managers that seem to be allowed to question the (CORRECT!!!) penalties we were given last season in press conferences, and referees being pulled up to comment on every thing we do mean that they are over compensating to give decisions against us, is to me the most "right" feeling I get from the whole thing. Not corruption, not incompetence exactly, but maybe more like bad outside influences pressuring the referees to give decisions against us. If it goes our way one week we get 10 weeks with nothing.
It's on ETH to address it.
Currently it's easier for the refs to give any questionable call against us. Give a decision our way and it will be talked about for weeks. Give it against us and nobody cares. Blame Klopp and others who have spoken out against us in the press.
ETH needs to start raising this to change the balance. Pile the pressure on them and make it so giving these 50/50 decisions against us isn't worth it. To hell with the fines. SAF was a master at it.
Currently it's easier for the refs to give any questionable call against us. Give a decision our way and it will be talked about for weeks. Give it against us and nobody cares. Blame Klopp and others who have spoken out against us in the press.
ETH needs to start raising this to change the balance. Pile the pressure on them and make it so giving these 50/50 decisions against us isn't worth it. To hell with the fines. SAF was a master at it.
Exactly the words I was shouting from my seat in East stand today.
I genuinely think that the corruption comes from the very top of the Premier League. There has to be an agenda to level things up, make matches and the season "go to the wire", to artificially create more excitement, thereby generating more interest and hence, more money, for the Premier League product. The referees are very much part of this "game management", which explains why none of them are ever sacked for persistently making awful decisions. English football has become "sport entertainment" and has as much credibility as WWE.
Not so much consistency as one was definitely a red and not given and the other one was not red card worthy and given.
Nothing will come of it, there's no pressure on the refs. The BBC aren't even quoting Ten Hag saying the ref influenced the game - they cut the quote just before it. We've already seen this season that if City or Liverpool get the bad calls it's all over the press. With us? Feck all.
Three players injured this season by shocking tackles. None of them were even given a yellow card.
Three players injured this season by shocking tackles. None of them were even given a yellow card.
Even in the 7-nil game we had fecking Pierluigi Collina saying Liverpool should have had more injury time. Like... Who asked him? Why is he allowed to even say that, surely that directly influences the next time we are a few goals down, rightly or wrongly?
If not worse. Some posters like OP has gone full blown mental
I agree there is a slight ABU bias among refs but it's somewhat overstated. And we never remember the bad decisions that went our way.
Rawk level 100 reached
I get the feeling that some on here may just be saying they agree with the decisions to not sound "RAWKish" and seem level headed, but what happened today was incompetence/corruption and there is absolutely nothing wrong with losing your shite a bit and calling it out when it happens.
I've come to except it now, UTD get feck all. Klopp coans about how many pens we were getting had feck all since!! Taylor has taken us few times and the outcome has been crap, you know he's blowing for fouls in positions of influence on pitch. UTD need to issue a major complaint like other clubs have done about other officials. Perhaps they might get somewhere.
Saying that then the Media will have there own Narrative and agenda like they have now to influence the headlines .
Saying that then the Media will have there own Narrative and agenda like they have now to influence the headlines .
I'm sorry but of all the clubs to have benefited from referee calls over the decades Utd must be very very high on the list. This is a hilarious thread.
With all due respect, you’re talking out of your ringpiece.
3 penalties? Now you're just being incredibly bias and silly. Two of those were definitely not penalties. The handball one for me definitely was though.
Just seen the Casemiro one again. The slow motion doesn't do him any favours. It's high and dangerous. Stupidity.
It certainly wasn't a clear red, his foot bounced off the ball and went in a completely different direction to hit his shin, even then it didn't really have much force to it. The ref awarded a yellow for the challenge and it certainly wasn't a clear and obvious error to do so, so VAR shouldn't have gotten involved.
The handball rule in that situation is it isn't hand ball if the arm is being used to support the body, which it wasn't (the other arm was).
Then there's the awarding of dodgy free kicks within shooting distance. It's as though he wanted to be the referee to give the free kick that Ward-Prowse scored so he'd be on TV everytime the replay was shown.
We didn't lose the match.
Yes when the narrative presented to you is that it's easy to have that opinion.
We have benefited but also been screwed over like other clubs.
Like I said, agree to disagree. Contact is made with the ball then Fernandes for the 1st penalty, which is what Casemiro was blown up for in the first place. 2nd one, as you've said, was a stonewaller and the 3rd one, Rashford is defo clipped by the keeper as he is going round him.
Bollocks
Yeah, fancy doing it in a slow motion way?!
It’s not corruption. They’re just really bad.
Remember when Klopp, Pep and others complained about the amount of penalties we got and then it all dried up. Yup no agenda just incompetence. Nothing to see here
It was though. You'd be saying the exact opposite had that been against us. It wasn't a good challenge.
Am I now!! I don't think so! Fergie time anyone!?
Assuming people who have an opinion on something would change it if the boot was on the other foot does not hold water here.
Not sure what you were watching mate. We were hanging on at the end. The less injury time the better for us.
Corrupt for who against who? Use your brain. It isn’t corruption they are just terrible at their jobs.
That Pedro Mendes goal still eating you up inside?
Can we not turn into Liverpool supporters… it feels like i wandered into rawk…