I said he gave me Scholes vibes, in that some things he does in midfield remind me of Scholes, not that hes as good, that doesnt really need to be said. Fabregas was clever in dropping deep to find space and dictating games, but he could only play the way hes facing, Scholes could get out of any position with his touch and awareness, and I get that with Zinchenko, hes really underrated.
He gives me Andy Cole vibes, got all the tools to get in great positions and scores all kind of goals in the area, but misses a lot too. Obviously not as good as Andy cole, just vibes, thats good enough for now.
I think they're much closer than that to be honest, but fair enough I suppose if you rate Shaw that highly.
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I feel like you’re gonna end up with the whole forum against you, at this rate. Cesc was receiving the ball on the turn and evading PL midfielders as a schoolboy.
Your team is Vibes FC at the moment
He’s doing well at the low key wummery I must say. I’m a powerful enemy to make though as the Chelsea thread witnessed in days gone by.I like you man
I really like Diaby as an option but he would cost a bomb. Rice/Diaby/Zubimendi and the young spanish RB we were linked to if we consider Tomiyasu LB cover would be a great window. But also a 200M one, this won't help our 'doing it on the cheap' propaganda
As long as at least 1 team outspends us, we will still use it!I think we're only a few pages away from a poll: Trossard or CR7
I really like Diaby as an option but he would cost a bomb. Rice/Diaby/Zubimendi and the young spanish RB we were linked to if we consider Tomiyasu LB cover would be a great window. But also a 200M one, this won't help our 'doing it on the cheap' propaganda
Yep that thread is routinely buried in the second or third page now that you're no longer a card carrying member of the Chelsea fanbaseHe’s doing well at the low key wummery I must say. I’m a powerful enemy to make though as the Chelsea thread witnessed in days gone by.
I don't think its about how much you spend, from a United fan who has seen his club spend loads of money, its about the profile of player you are getting.As long as at least 1 team outspends us, we will still use it!
To be honest, I think £150M-£200M windows will become the norm at most of the top 7 maybe, more at the likes of Chelsea and Utd if the takeover goes through.
If we sell properly we could make a chunk of that back selling the likes of Tierney, Mari, Maitland-Niles, Lokonga, Tavares and perhaps if we can con someone to take Pepe.
It's not batshit mental. You can easily, easily upgrade on Shaw. We upgraded Tierney to Zinchenko. I'm sure for a nominal fee you can find someone even better than Tierney and Shaw. As it stans though, I'd have Shaw over Tierney.
Oh yeah, fully agree. We've been on both sides of that as well, look at the money we've spent on the likes of Pepe, Mustafi, doing daft things like swapping Mkhitaryan for Sanchez, spending £50M+ on Auba months after spending £40M+ on Laca etc.
It is batshit mental.
Is that funny? Or is it pointing out what a similar player [Grealish] at a normally supported club [Aston Villa] gets paid, a club with neither a global fanbase nor oil reserves?
I'm only concerned that you are going to feck up your league position and hand another title to City. Beyond that, you're not as interesting as you think.
We get it, United are a big club.
Must have missed all those Arsenal fans that don't live in North London as well.
Don’t be silly. Yes, we’ve won 13 titles in the most watched league on the planet. But only United have a global fan base - no other team does.Must have missed all those Arsenal fans that don't live in North London as well.
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Shaw is somewhat underrated outside of United fans unfortunately (often even amongst United fans). He's the most naturally gifted footballer we have. He's had some great seasons, namely this one and 20/21, but some patchy seasons probably skews oppos views on him (Mourinho's weird grudge 2018/19, the leg break, the post Euros burn out).
I rate his talent extremely highly. But from what I’ve seen, his performances haven’t been of “walk into any team in the world” standard.
Talking about Aston Villa.
Talking about why I referenced Grealish before his move to City, meaning Villa is not globally supported.Must have missed all those Arsenal fans that don't live in North London as well.
Apologies if that's the case, I thought you were basically saying Villa weren't a global club and we are on their level
Fair enough. I'll happily defer to your opinion as I don't watch him every week.
I feel it’s always a little risky basing an opinion on a one off game (not saying that’s your only reason but by the same token you could be quite critical of Zinchenko, White and Saliba from the game at Old Trafford when they were terrorised by Rashford and Antony, or Eriksen dominating the midfield over Odegaard etc)
My point wasn't articulated at all well. What I was trying to say is once someone has hit the golden payday/the lottery, they can't really be cited as a comp. Where they were before that moment, that could be cited. Using Grealish and Villa was just trying to illustrate the point. United has for years and years paid stupid wages. City has been flouting FFP since their takeover, and pay players off the books anyway. So United and City wages, in my view, should not be used when SaKa is seeing how much he can get in a new contract.
Yep, very true. Though I'm not sure about the midfield domination. My take from that game is that your forwards - as you've pointed out - were absolutely lethal. I think Arteta said that game was won and lost in both penalty boxes. It really was.
That makes sense. I think Saka's likely to get a little less than Rashford did around the same age. Which seems about right. My worry is the £180k Martinelli is reportedly on. I don't think he's been that good.
Indeed. I remember watching Wolves Traore giving Tierney a hard time. Then on another occasion I remember Maitland-Niles coming in and shutting him down during a game. Don't think that makes Maitland-Niles a better left back than Tierney.
That's true about Josh more recently but I can never trust them myself to really do what's required to establish a club with winning traditions. Even the Rams, you look at him pulling the club out of St Louis to Los Angeles, built that stadium, overcharged like crazy (my friends that went to Rams games had to pay something $80-100 for parking and said food/beer was extremely overpriced even compared to typical LA prices) and yes they won the SB but they did it by stockpiling a bunch of veterans that had a few seasons left in them and got lucky by drafting Kupp. The real question for them is whether the Kroenkes will invest in getting the Rams to be a perennial contender (like NE or Pittsburgh of the last 20 years) or if they will simply ride out that one SB win and be happy with asset appreciation. Same question I have with them as Arsenal owners. If Arteta-Edu can deliver a PL trophy this year will they just think great job well done, lets just maintain top 4 like Stan did under Wenger or will there be a real push for challenging for trophies on a regular basis. I'd love to be wrong here but I am pretty cynical and pessimistic when it comes to the Kroenkes.
It's definitely going to help to be in the CL next year but the question is can they maintain that. Stadium is great but it is less important than it seemed back in 2002-06 when the Ashburton Grove project began. Now, global commercial revenue is even more important. I wish I could feel confident but I just don't trust ownership at this point, even with the strides they made the last 2-3 years.
You remind me of my Mrs, hands out a compliment of my husband abilities with a not very hidden dig at the same time!
I think the bigger eye opener was Zinchenko being more highly rated than Fabregas as a midfielder and giving off ‘Scholes vibes’.
