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[Member 125398]

I mean that football is not an (entirely) independent bubble like your posts seem to imply and therefore cannot supersede the conveniences of the places … so for Qataris (!) being successful in buying United (!!), the England gov must approve, at least indirectly… sort of golden share, if you like the term.

Ok, I think I see what you mean and I agree that politics works its way into everything, as does corruption. The difference is that in the UK and the EU it is an open society and these things can be detected and challenged openly.

I don't know what you think my posts say but the UK government has zero influence on Manchester United outside of the laws of the country we exist in.

Also United does not exist to serve the reputation of the UK govt and nor should it.

I wouldn't expect the UK govt to protect United because they are shite.

 

[sepulturite]

I've been on the fence about this whole thing, but I'm starting to hope the Qatar bid wins purely for the utter meltdowns certain posters on here are going to have It'll be grab the popcorn time for sure!

 

[stevoc]

Are you aware you used scenario only in the last reply, at no other stage did you use it. Read your "posts" again..

So why did you bold the word is in the post where I did use it and reply to that that post like I was making a definitive statement?

Which is the same thing.

Well in the scenario where this is a state backed bid masquerading as a private one.

Then hiding that fact (ie we're not state backed) or saying "we are a 100% a privtate endeavour", are essentially the same thing.

Are you familiar with the word scenario mate?

Read my post again.

The only reply to you before that was the bolded.

 

[sparx99]

So Qatar are putting up 5B for the club, 1B+ for facilities and a further billion to clear this debt?

Nobody is or will ever get anywhere near that offer if they don’t sell now they’ll never sell

You wouldn’t settle the transfer debt. That isn’t a problem.

 

[dpansheth]

Legitimate question to both bidders given financial reports ; how are they both going to address this debt. Of course since none of us are voting partners we will not get any answers.

 

[sglowrider]

Legitimate question to both bidders given financial reports ; how are they both going to address this question. Of course since none of us are voting partners we will not get any answers.

What question?

 

[Member 125398]

Legitimate question to both bidders given financial reports ; how are they both going to address this question. Of course since none of us are voting partners we will not get any answers.

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[MiamiSpartan]

Like an AI fake?

A friend of mine saw his picture and said he looks like an AI version of Messi. Now I can't unsee it.

 

[MiamiSpartan]

I disagree on the relevance of the ties to Qatar's vision though - I think it's quite significant because I think it's a clear indication that the Emir himself probably backs the bid (even if not financially).

Yeah, and let's not forget that literally just a matter of days before the first "soft deadline", there were multiple reports (meaning the journos had been briefed) that said the Emir of Qatar was a lifelong Manchester United fan and would be bidding for the club.

This raised all the questions about having to sell PSG if they want to buy United. So then a few days later the soft deadline was met with a bid from a Qatari that few had heard of, to buy United through a foundation that no one had heard of and that no one knows how this foundation is funded. Oh yeah, he's a lifelong Manchester United fan, too (TBF, the most plausible thing about this).

 

[andersj]

I doubt the bid is genuinely private, but this is just bizarre. You genuinely think the Glazers and Raine have colluded to fabricate a fake sheikh to drive up the Ineos bid?? Wow.

No. I think they might have used a rich friend or business relationship.

 

[georgieworst]

Some conspiracy theory is that!

And one that would land the Glazer's in court.

 

[Micky Targaryen]

The "sudden" you are referring to is that those interested have probably suspected it for years, but noone outside of financial circles gave a feck before he was heavily involved in the potential takeover of United. After he left his government roles he set up Al-Mirqab, his private investment firm. They haven't made their asset portfolio public but judging by reports over the years it seems he has invested a lot in real estate (plus the 1bn Heritage Oil case) among other things. He is also said to be running Precision Capital, a bank holding company, which, by the looks of it, are controlling close to 100bn worth of assets if not more.

He is featured prominently in the three Paper leaks where he is seemingly involved in heaps of offshore companies which are hard to estimate the true asset value.

Anyway, judging by your post history with the pure negativity towards anything involving the Qatar bid (not bothering to fact-check anything, the sudden and weird direct comparison to the Malaga situation etc.) and constant defence of the SJR & INEOS bid (even trying to joke about SJR's probable tax evasion tactics), I suspect no information they could realistically provide you with that counter the state-bid would be deemed acceptable to you.

Glad someone noticed and called this out. Been lurking in this thread and came up with 2 observations: Team Qatar, whose main issue with SJR is doubts that he can service our debt comfortably or properly run our club. And then there's Team SJR, who seemed to throw accusations on Jassim and the Qatari state left and right, with wild comparisons and without any legit sources. I never knew there were so many ME and royal family experts in this forum.

By the way, for those who kept on screaming about the lack of knowledge on Jassim's source of funds: Is it possible that Jassim has already disclosed his proof AND source of funds to Raine Group privately and that Raine is fully satisfied and hence invited Jassim to make a bid? Does Jassim actually owe it to United fans to show where he got his funds from? This is a legit question because I clearly do not know the proper procedure and I certainly am not going to pretend to be an expert.

 

[Alonzo]

I've been on the fence about this whole thing, but I'm starting to hope the Qatar bid wins purely for the utter meltdowns certain posters on here are going to have It'll be grab the popcorn time for sure!

Thousands of dead migrant workers will be thrilled you found the humour in it

 

[M4YON]

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For those wondering if it would affect Jassims bid and of course current Citeh and Newcastle owners... none of those countries are on the list for human rights abuses O_c

 

[sepulturite]

Thousands of dead migrant workers will be thrilled you found the humour in it

Oh get the feck out of here with that twisted logic

 

[Real Name]

I've been on the fence about this whole thing, but I'm starting to hope the Qatar bid wins purely for the utter meltdowns certain posters on here are going to have It'll be grab the popcorn time for sure!

That reminds me of posts like - oh I cant wait for us to lose just so I can witness the meltdown here.
Haha huhu.

 

[HarryP]

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For those wondering if it would affect Jassims bid and of course current Citeh and Newcastle owners... none of those countries are on the list for human rights abuses O_c

They are more likely to go on the list under Labour, who are expected to win the next election.

Not a guarantee but a possibility, especially if the far left hold the balance of power in the next parliament and/or something happens to Starmer and a more left wing leader replaces him.

This is probably the biggest practical issue with being owned by an oil state. They are linked to so much dodgy stuff behind the scenes, the rug could be pulled beneath them at some unspecified point in the future if the government takes aim at them (different circumstances, but just look at what happened with RA and Chelsea)

 

[sepulturite]

That reminds me of posts like - oh I cant wait for us to lose just so I can witness the meltdown here.
Haha huhu.

Ha yeh I suppose it is. I have to say it's true if Radcliffe wins aswell though, there will be meltdowns too. But there's a couple of posters who will clearly need to have strait jackets ready if Qatar wins

 

[Alonzo]

Oh get the feck out of here with that twisted logic

It’s not twisted logic. The reason people don’t want Qatar to own United is *directly* because of the nations human rights record. Saying you want Qatar to win to see the meltdown here, is to disregard the reasons why people would meltdown. There’s the logic. So yea, bzzzt you lose

 

[wolvored]

The club could be sold next week if the big bidders were to put an end date on their bids. I bet if they said choose a buyer by Sunday night off the bids received, or we withdraw the bids on Monday, by 1am Monday morning you would know who won. The greedy parasites would shit themselves, If they think they can keep the club by putting more debt on it and make a bigger profit in the future, then they are bigger pricks than we take them for. They are all old men and woman, so surely they want the sale to spend the money whilst still alive while still capable.

 

[sepulturite]

It’s not twisted logic. The reason people don’t want Qatar to own United is *directly* because of the nations human rights record. Saying you want Qatar to win to see the meltdown here, is to disregard the reasons why people would meltdown. There’s the logic. So yea, bzzzt you lose

No I mean the twisted logic is that you actually think that's what I meant by what I said, thinking I don't care about the migrant workers, I care mate, and I don't appreciate you making out like I don't with your snide remark when I was simply having a laugh over the way some posters are on here at the moment over this whole thing.

Some people are taking the whole thing way to seriously when there's simply nothing we can do about who ends up owning us, whoever it ends up being will buy us no matter what any of us thinks.

 

[BuzzKillington]

Ha yeh I suppose it is. I have to say it's true if Radcliffe wins aswell though, there will be meltdowns too. But there's a couple of posters who will clearly need to have strait jackets ready if Qatar wins

A lot of those have said they’ll stop supporting the club. If Qatar loses every time we lose out on a transfer we’ll all be deafened by the sounds of toys being thrown out of prams.

 

[Member 125398]

Ha yeh I suppose it is. I have to say it's true if Radcliffe wins aswell though, there will be meltdowns too. But there's a couple of posters who will clearly need to have strait jackets ready if Qatar wins

Loads of people who tried to fight the Glazer takeover got this kind of nonsense yet look how we all feel about them now.

 

[cyberman]

They are more likely to go on the list under Labour, who are expected to win the next election.

Not a guarantee but a possibility, especially if the far left hold the balance of power in the next parliament and/or something happens to Starmer and a more left wing leader replaces him.

This is probably the biggest practical issue with being owned by an oil state. They are linked to so much dodgy stuff behind the scenes, the rug could be pulled beneath them at some unspecified point in the future if the government takes aim at them (different circumstances, but just look at what happened with RA and Chelsea)

What? ME money owns Labour as well. That’s a very naive post

 

[sepulturite]

A lot of those have said they’ll stop supporting the club. If Qatar loses every time we lose out on a transfer we’ll all be deafened by the sounds of toys being thrown out of prams.

That's absolutely fine if that's what they want to do, I can't see the logic in it myself, but each to their own.

Haha yeh I definitely agree on the second part of your post.

 

[sepulturite]

Loads of people who tried to fight the Glazer takeover got this kind of nonsense yet look how we all feel about them now.

That's fair enough, and very true. But for myself, I'm not bothered about who owns us, I'd rather it's not glazers anymore sure, but if they end up staying or if Qatar or Radcliffe wins, I'll still support the team like I always have. It's all that matters to me.

 

[Telsim]

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If anyone needed confirmation this guy is an absolute liar.

 

[Godfather]

If anyone needed confirmation this guy is an absolute liar.

Who even is that guy? Some kind of journalist? He has embarrassed himself throughout this saga.

 

[sglowrider]

Loads of people who tried to fight the Glazer takeover got this kind of nonsense yet look how we all feel about them now.

Impotent then, still impotent now.

So what's new?

 

[Brownie85]

Who even is that guy? Some kind of journalist? He has embarrassed himself throughout this saga.

Probably some guy who bought himself a blue tick to look important? In all honesty though, I have no idea

 

[mctrials23]

I too would be appalled if I bought a club for feck all with no debt, ran it into the ground over nearly 20 years, piled debt onto it and sucked a billion out and some guy only wants to offer me £5.5bn to buy it. Outrageous.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Does anyone remember as the takeover from the Glazers was happening whether they went on a public charm offensive and made loads of promises or whether they never bothered? I just wonder what recourse fans have if a lot of these promises are hot air by the potential new owners.

 

[Oranges038]

They are more likely to go on the list under Labour, who are expected to win the next election.

Not a guarantee but a possibility, especially if the far left hold the balance of power in the next parliament and/or something happens to Starmer and a more left wing leader replaces him.

This is probably the biggest practical issue with being owned by an oil state. They are linked to so much dodgy stuff behind the scenes, the rug could be pulled beneath them at some unspecified point in the future if the government takes aim at them (different circumstances, but just look at what happened with RA and Chelsea)

Before the Uk government can take aim at any of these countries for human rughts abuses they would have to stop the billions of pounds worth of weapons and munitions that get exported to the ME from the Uk every year.

When it's your bombs being used to blow up civilians and children in other countries, you don't really have much of a leg to stand on. No pun intended.

 

[TrebleChamp99]

News today we all hope and prey

 

[horsechoker]

I too would be appalled if I bought a club for feck all with no debt, ran it into the ground over nearly 20 years, piled debt onto it and sucked a billion out and some guy only wants to offer me £5.5bn to buy it. Outrageous.

You have to wonder about The Glazer bros and their supposed attachment to the club. They sound detached from reality, despite being massively in debt and universally hated by fans they seem to think they're part of the fabric of the club like Sir Alex or Bobby Charlton.

 

[Marcus]

There is always something out there to criticise about anyone. Maybe the government might decide to look into the Glazers and the way they give run the club and decide that a fit and proper owner would not saddle a club like United with so much debt and declare them not suitable to be owners. One can hope yeah?

 

[IRONTUSK]

Before the Uk government can take aim at any of these countries for human rughts abuses they would have to stop the billions of pounds worth of weapons and munitions that get exported to the ME from the Uk every year.

When it's your bombs being used to blow up civilians and children in other countries, you don't really have much of a leg to stand on. No pun intended.

They would also have to stop funding into infrastructure, banks, supermarkets and everything else the ME has invested in and continues to invest in.

It`s almost an endless list and would be impossible. I don`t think people actually realise the levels that ME are integrated into Britain

 

[Rood]

Does anyone remember as the takeover from the Glazers was happening whether they went on a public charm offensive and made loads of promises or whether they never bothered? I just wonder what recourse fans have if a lot of these promises are hot air by the potential new owners.

None unfortunately

And it was totally different when the Glazers took over - it was a hostile takeover of a public company. They barely even addressed the fans after forcing the takeover, nevermind before.

 

[Member 125398]

Before the Uk government can take aim at any of these countries for human rughts abuses they would have to stop the billions of pounds worth of weapons and munitions that get exported to the ME from the Uk every year.

When it's your bombs being used to blow up civilians and children in other countries, you don't really have much of a leg to stand on. No pun intended.

A lot of truth in that. There is also the issue of the stability of the state in question. The current setup appears to have a pretty strong hold on power at the moment but the nature of that system of government means that things can often change suddenly and dramatically. It's all a bit moot for now though as there is no possibility of any intervention by the British government in this, nor would there be in the future.

 

[whitbyviking]

I haven’t read this thread in at least 2 minutes. Has anything changed?

The mental gymnastics that Ineos Bad - Qatar Good has spread onto other threads. We apparently have a board full of tax and corporate finance experts.